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It's funny how often a football article is written along the same lines as what is currently being discussed here.  Here's a nugget from today's freep:

 

"Too many times in 2013, this team was defeated before it stepped on the field, due to superior tactical coaching by its opponents."

 

~Doug Brown~

It's funny how often a football article is written along the same lines as what is currently being discussed here.  Here's a nugget from today's freep:

 

"Too many times in 2014, this team was defeated before it stepped on the field, due to superior tactical coaching by its opponents."

 

~Doug Brown~

You may want to edit your post so that it says 2013.  

 

Tanks

Doug Brown has great hindsight.  He also wanted Greg Marshall as Head Coach if I recall correctly.

Burke and Mack are similar -- both seemingly decent guys, both "pros" that didn't embarrass the organization, yadda yadda -- both shockingly incompetent at the Head Coach and GM job, respectively.

 

Burke's tossing players under the bus is also on par with Mack blaming a slow start on players still getting over Richard Harris' passing a full year earlier. 

 

Having those two at the same time was a perfect storm of utter incompetence. 

Tim Burke thinking to himself after any game's first series in 2013 went Run for 2 yards on first down. Incomplete pass on 2nd down. Punt on 3rd Down. "Okay, now what"?

Tim Burke thinking to himself after any game's first series in 2013 went Run for 2 yards on first down. Incomplete pass on 2nd down. Punt on 3rd Down. "Okay, now what"?

Add in - stare glumly at offence coming off the field, stare glumly at defence going on field, stare glumly at opposing team celebrating opening drive TD. Stare glumly for rest of game off into space.

Burke's tossing players under the bus is also on par with Mack blaming a slow start on players still getting over Richard Harris' passing a full year earlier. 

 

are we still going to try and pass this off as fact? Come on, listen to what he said, it was a flat out admission that they failed to replace that kind of leadership! The really stupid part is that the following offseason they failed to address that aspect again and even got worse givng Burke the gig. 

 

Macks #1 problem was he didn't know how to hire a coach.

 

Macks #1 problem was he didn't know how to hire a coach.

 

 

I'd put that as Problem #1B. His biggest problem was a completely delusional approach to roster management (QB and free agency in particular).

 

Huffer & Trestman wouldn't have made the playoffs with that sad sack line-up. 

 

Well, maybe they'd have coached them into the semis, but theres no way in hell they'd post a winning record. 

 

 

Macks #1 problem was he didn't know how to hire a coach.

 

 

I'd put that as Problem #1B. His biggest problem was a completely delusional approach to roster management (QB and free agency in particular).

 

Huffer & Trestman wouldn't have made the playoffs with that sad sack line-up. 

 

Well, maybe they'd have coached them into the semis, but theres no way in hell they'd post a winning record. 

 

Yet Lapolice coached them to a grey cup game... Not buying that the roster was THAT far gone that a good coach couldn't have squeezed something out of it because we saw Lapo get something out of those guys, even if not for a long time and I don't think Lapo was all that great of a coach.

Mack was a great GM, possibly one of the best of our time.

 

 

 

Macks #1 problem was he didn't know how to hire a coach.

 

 

I'd put that as Problem #1B. His biggest problem was a completely delusional approach to roster management (QB and free agency in particular).

 

Huffer & Trestman wouldn't have made the playoffs with that sad sack line-up. 

 

Well, maybe they'd have coached them into the semis, but theres no way in hell they'd post a winning record. 

 

Yet Lapolice coached them to a grey cup game... Not buying that the roster was THAT far gone that a good coach couldn't have squeezed something out of it because we saw Lapo get something out of those guys, even if not for a long time and I don't think Lapo was all that great of a coach.

 

 

Buck was mostly healthy, so he got at least average Quarterback play.  They still had Labatte...OL was better.

Outstanding talent on the DL, who were the real difference makers in the East final. The Hammy never had a prayer against that front in those conditions.

 

ST's generated plenty of big plays that season.

 

So I beg to differ on your talent comparison.

I don't like the way a lot of things happened in 2012 to be honest. I think firing Lapolice when they did was a knee jerk panic move and he should have got the rest of the year because they did compete better with him than without him for the most part. It was a typical Bomber thing to do. Think you're in a real good spot and first sign of trouble fire someone and start blowing things up and replacing them with someone worse. I don't for a second think that the roster was the biggest reason for this team falling like it did. It may not have been the best roster out there, but I don't think it was as bad as it was made to appear either. 

I would say that I'll agree with 17to85 that Mack's drafting record was okay. Not great, but as good as any other team with maybe the exception of Calgary. The Stamps drafted Brett Jones when others passed on him & he's a stud player. So, that sets Calgary apart from other teams.

Where Mack really hurt the Bombers was his handling of free agents... both his & from other teams. Not willing to do what he had to do to retain & attract other CFL FA players that could have helped us. He undervalued what experience brings & thought he could replace older veteran players with younger, inexperienced & cheaper players which didn't work.

Also, while other teams like Calgary & BC were holding a series of open FA tryout camps all over the US during the off season, he relied on a single US scout to invite players to one camp FA  Mack ran. I just think that was a huge mistake. That & firing LaPo.

Mack didn't have great relationships with other GMs. He barely talked to any of them.... We've all heard how Walters on the day he was hired as Interim GM called the other 8 GMS (assume he called Ottawa) to introduce himself & to let them know the Bombers were again open for business. So, based on all that the Mack reign to me was a disaster.

Mack was a great GM, possibly one of the best of our time.

Dude don't make me laugh like that while I'm eating. I almost choked.

Mack as a gm probably would get a D+ .... Burke as a coach was a solid F

Mack wasn't that bad... It was Lapolice and Burke idea to start Buck for so long.

Not great, but as good as any other team with maybe the exception of Calgary. The Stamps drafted Brett Jones when others passed on him & he's a stud player. So, that sets Calgary apart from other teams.

It wasn't some great feat of drafting by the Stamps when they picked Jones. Jones told teams he would only play in Calgary.

Mack as a gm probably would get a D+ .... Burke as a coach was a solid F

Mack wasn't that bad... It was Lapolice and Burke idea to start Buck for so long.

And it was Mack who said he'd fix the QB position. 

I for one, thought Burke would be a good head coach. But I guess not every coordinator is.

 

Not great, but as good as any other team with maybe the exception of Calgary. The Stamps drafted Brett Jones when others passed on him & he's a stud player. So, that sets Calgary apart from other teams.

It wasn't some great feat of drafting by the Stamps when they picked Jones. Jones told teams he would only play in Calgary.

 

No, that is absolutely & unequivocally 100% wrong. What Jones told CFL teams was that he had applied & was waiting for acceptance to the University of Regina's Faculty of Medicine. At the time of the draft he hadn't heard yet if he was accepted or not. He told CFL teams that while he wanted to play in the CFL, if he did get accepted he would not play football. Hufnagel knew that & drafted him anyway.

When Jones didn't get accepted into med school in Regina, Jones came to Calgary & enrolled in engineering at the U of C. So, it was a gamble that paid off for the Stamps. He never said he would only play for the Stamps. He'd have played for anyone providing he could get into Engineering at a university in a CFL city if he didn't get into medicine. The Stamps gambled with Jones. But no more of a gamble that Mack took on Mulamba or Hamilton on Gaydosh with their NFL aspirations. 

The only team that wasn't scared off were the Stampeders. Everybody else took a flyer on the guy. Even the Riders which is surprising considering that he would have been attending the U of R had he been accepted so they may have been able to convince him to do both. Go to med school & play for the Riders. 

 

 

Not great, but as good as any other team with maybe the exception of Calgary. The Stamps drafted Brett Jones when others passed on him & he's a stud player. So, that sets Calgary apart from other teams.

It wasn't some great feat of drafting by the Stamps when they picked Jones. Jones told teams he would only play in Calgary.

 

No, that is absolutely & unequivocally 100% wrong. What Jones told CFL teams was that he had applied & was waiting for acceptance to the University of Regina's Faculty of Medicine. At the time of the draft he hadn't heard yet if he was accepted or not. He told CFL teams that while he wanted to play in the CFL, if he did get accepted he would not play football. Hufnagel knew that & drafted him anyway.

When Jones didn't get accepted into med school in Regina, Jones came to Calgary & enrolled in engineering at the U of C. So, it was a gamble that paid off for the Stamps. He never said he would only play for the Stamps. He'd have played for anyone providing he could get into Engineering at a university in a CFL city if he didn't get into medicine. The Stamps gambled with Jones. But no more of a gamble that Mack took on Mulamba or Hamilton on Gaydosh with their NFL aspirations. 

The only team that wasn't scared off were the Stampeders. Everybody else took a flyer on the guy. Even the Riders which is surprising considering that he would have been attending the U of R had he been accepted so they may have been able to convince him to do both. Go to med school & play for the Riders. 

 

Tim Burke is many things but I wouldn't call him a liar and Tim Burke said Jones told teams he would only play for the Stamps. Go to the CJOB audio vault and listen to the last few coach's show and you'll hear it. 

Not great, but as good as any other team with maybe the exception of Calgary. The Stamps drafted Brett Jones when others passed on him & he's a stud player. So, that sets Calgary apart from other teams.

It wasn't some great feat of drafting by the Stamps when they picked Jones. Jones told teams he would only play in Calgary.

No, that is absolutely & unequivocally 100% wrong. What Jones told CFL teams was that he had applied & was waiting for acceptance to the University of Regina's Faculty of Medicine. At the time of the draft he hadn't heard yet if he was accepted or not. He told CFL teams that while he wanted to play in the CFL, if he did get accepted he would not play football. Hufnagel knew that & drafted him anyway.

When Jones didn't get accepted into med school in Regina, Jones came to Calgary & enrolled in engineering at the U of C. So, it was a gamble that paid off for the Stamps. He never said he would only play for the Stamps. He'd have played for anyone providing he could get into Engineering at a university in a CFL city if he didn't get into medicine. The Stamps gambled with Jones. But no more of a gamble that Mack took on Mulamba or Hamilton on Gaydosh with their NFL aspirations.

The only team that wasn't scared off were the Stampeders. Everybody else took a flyer on the guy. Even the Riders which is surprising considering that he would have been attending the U of R had he been accepted so they may have been able to convince him to do both. Go to med school & play for the Riders.

Tim Burke is many things but I wouldn't call him a liar and Tim Burke said Jones told teams he would only play for the Stamps. Go to the CJOB audio vault and listen to the last few coach's show and you'll hear it.

Jacquie is correct. I heard Tim Burke say this myself; that Jones told other teams he'd only play for Calgary.

I don't recall Burke ever saying that but if he did that is pretty sad. I find it odd that a kid who  grew up in Weyburn, SK as a lifelong Rider fan & his family still having season tickets to the Riders would only want to play in Calgary. That's pretty odd if you ask me. Name me one kid from Saskatchewan who  doesn't want to play for the Riders in front of his family & friends? If Burke said Jones only wanted to play in Calgary then that's bogus. The story I related to you in the previous thread is what Jones & the Stampeders have told the media & fans in Calgary.

I don't recall Burke ever saying that but if he did that is pretty sad. I find it odd that a kid who grew up in Weyburn, SK as a lifelong Rider fan & his family still having season tickets to the Riders would only want to play in Calgary. That's pretty odd if you ask me. Name me one kid from Saskatchewan who doesn't want to play for the Riders in front of his family & friends? If Burke said Jones only wanted to play in Calgary then that's bogus. The story I related to you in the previous thread is what Jones & the Stampeders have told the media & fans in Calgary.

So you are saying Tim Burke is a liar.

Hey, who knows why Burke said what he did? Mack & Burke was a **** show. Provide the link to what Burke said so I can read it as I never recalled reading or hearing it.

 

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Stamps+rookie+Brett+Jones+been+revelation+could+freshman/9050470/story.html

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvgd4L-fKbE

Hey, who knows why Burke said what he did? Mack & Burke was a **** show. Provide the link to what Burke said so I can read it as I never recalled reading or hearing it.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Stamps+rookie+Brett+Jones+been+revelation+could+freshman/9050470/story.html

It was on one of the CJOB coaches shows. Two posters on here recall Burke saying this. Sorry I don't have a full day to listen to every show to find the link for you. If you want to hear it go to the CJOB audio vault and listen to this seasons shows. It's there.