First off....tho not an excuse for the loss, but man that reffing again was the shitz

Secondly even tho that was some the crappiest scheming and game planning to date, we actually were in a position to win that game amazingly...but once again the long and short of it we were let down again by poor coaching, which involved the game plan (both sides the ball) ...the lack of any adjustments or recognition of what was even actually going on in the game, and how to attack it, and a total deviation away from what seemed to be our identity, especially on offense from last 2 games and a way to control a game from the on-set.

Safe to say I don't think our staff when watching the film even know what to watch, and build off of, and or where to tweak (more on that later) and sadly was a fail in the litmus test of who/what we are and that almost certain the Mtl game was an anomaly, or the just had a real bad night and came in too cocky and dropped a deuce...I think I am confident in saying it was both from what was witnessed

Now explain to me why we haven't been using Singer all yr....when we easily could have/should have been but opted for the sillyb3 Canadian plan? Sure it's one reg. season game...But he looked and did just as he has in his 2 pre-season games, has all the tools required (speed...tight route runner...high points a ball...a threat with it...obviously has ZC trust with 9 targets) and looked far from being a green rookie in one the more intimidating first game environments. Now imagine with me if you will where he could be right now with that being game 12 under his belt as opposed to 11 weeks running skelly in practice. Been saying it all yr what a dumb decision that was and talent should always trump familiarity and bias but here we are...seeing as the West has no real R.O.Y standout undoubted he would be our R.O.Y nominee and likely maybe the West front runner...weird eh...

Also explain to me why Cobb and Neild are ahead of Big Kev again...A guy who is a size mismatch with pretty much anyone...DB's you can see don't like taking him on with any physicality and has a 76% catch rate over his yrs here. He can play outside, though not his best place to be but would be ideal inside and in TE sets as a blocker "and" a threat to slide out and catch a pass and do something with it. Like Singer...Imagine what his development would be with actual use (proper use) and reps, especially now in his 3rd yr. Christ in his rookie yr he had an 80% catch rate...was good on 2nd down conversions at 15%...and this yr of his targets 67% have converted 2nd downs..seems like a guy you would wanna lean on and expand his role...But hey let's drop Corcorran and Cobb in the lineup...neither of whom compared to him, and quite frankly he should be getting more reps ahead of Neild too....But again talent and potential gets trumped by a HC bias to his favorites for whatever reason....That Daniel's poor attempt at that 2nd down conversion alone should at least have Clercius above him to be that guy, if not bump Daniels right off the roster for now. I have yet to see an impactful block by him this yr but have noticed Clercius on several with key blocks. But I guess since we traded up to get him that sealed his position on roster...Pre-determined before TC like several others

If Demski is back next week and the wr group isn't him with White..Pokey...Singer and more Clercius....Some heads need to roll if not get 5 upside the head...And if Pokey cant go then better be Womack getting his audition

Dumb roster decisions by a dumb coach...Also nice to get Peterson on the roster...but why when he just stood there all game...maybe a 2 back set at some times....Make the defense have to choose one or other...maybe slide one out in motion to see what coverage is there and if its a LB gonna be on man and not just a zone it opens up space for the other to run?...no creativity...no foresight...just dumb coaching to bring on a guy...much like Hazen to basically have zero participation...But looking at our neglected depth chart there was really nobody else to bring on...speaking of which we have no Global player on it so if Sheehan was to have gone down and cant go next week...we scrambling to add one and they get automatically rostered regardless of any usefulness...that's just mint too...They oblivious to their roster...as it sits we have 9 tho it was 10 with Peterson...but we can actually have 12 with 2 extra's being globals...and we don't have any why??...Be nice to have 1 there who we familiar with...and is familiar with us...but nope

Elsbury...why?....He has gotten worse as the season has dragged on...Obviously teams are doing their film work to see how to turnstile him. Tho we dont see it....Osh see's his big legs and is all chubby about it but the guy being an import is nowhere giving you bang for the buck when you sacrifice a much needed American elsewhere who could make an impact. And as mentioned in game day thread all these what seems like missed blocks/free guys taking shots/ what looks to be confusion as to who takes who on the interior....in my football experience and eye tells me the center is not making the right calls....and is not seeing things right cause that should never happen as much as it is...Our veteran oline man all around him should not look as pathetic as they have on many occasions, nor has their skills eroded that much...plus his snaps are still all over the map and not consistent, and for a big guy he sure gets roller skated back into the pocket alot..I' almost say more than Kolo...Eli would give us way more and is nowhere near as bad as Center Guy...He's now lost his name like Sheehan did until he started to punt more like a punter now, so got his name back

Those 2 last paragraphs lead again back to what my drum beat for 3+ yrs is now...Poor coaching...a total inability to recognize things...let alone actual talent that matters between the white lines...and is killing us...over and over.....and over...I didnt even listen to the post game but I sure osh used the big comeback to say basically we all good....and we arent

Woodbey I think is done for yr if not while as he went out non-contact, so curious what bonehead addition Osh will make...Seeing as they like to use Ayers (who stepped up) and Woodbey as an End...maybe dress Jaworski as he is...hmmm...an end and actually has a motor to play inside and could offer some spark to the Dline...But I sure he will go with Hazen...for no particular reason other than Osh is a clueless blind squirrel looking for nut... I would have gave him huge props going for 2 when we had some momo to win the game even if we failed

BB...thats the true litmus...if we tank that one safe to say next weeks post will be rigor mortise setting in edition

Singer reminded me of a young Clarence Denmark out there....

also - lots of Monday morning QB's saying the Bombers should have gone for 2 after the TD at the end to go for the win. I can see that being a legitimate argument, though if we hadn't gotten the 2 then I'm sure we'd all be screaming about why O'Shea did that....

Vaval should have just not touched that one going through the endzone

Our O had 12 yards and zero first downs after the 1st quarter.

They are why we suck. Our D isn’t great but they kept us in this one. O never got going. Condell is a disaster.

9 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Vaval should have just not touched that one going through the endzone

True..but sask would have just kicked the convert instead of trying for 2..so woulda been moot anyway..but I sure lesson learned by Vavs

Announcers annoy me. They going on about protecting QBs then when a player gets flagged for doing something to the QB, they complain.

1 step forward. 2 back. That’s the CFL.

Props to Major Williams, Jaylen Smith and Dorian Singer. 3 rookies who definitely stood out.

Edited September 7Sep 7 by Goalie

18 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Vaval should have just not touched that one going through the endzone

Wouldn't have mattered. If we don't give up that single, the riders don't go for two at the end and we are tied anyways.

Yeah I know but still, what if their kicker missed?

Also we could try having a non-useless redzone offense. That would be sweet too

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah I know but still, what if their kicker missed?

Also we could try having a non-useless redzone offense. That would be sweet too

what if Woodbey could tackle. What if Neild could catch in traffic? What if we had used BO a lot more effectively with screen passes?

To blame the coaches for the loss is ludicrous. This game was lost on poor tackling, awful QB protection, and receivers not catching balls that should have been caught. That's on the players themselves. Effort was fantastic...gameplan was a winner if we execute.

3 hours ago, Booch said:

First off....tho not an excuse for the loss, but man that reffing again was the shitz

Secondly even tho that was some the crappiest scheming and game planning to date, we actually were in a position to win that game amazingly...but once again the long and short of it we were let down again by poor coaching, which involved the game plan (both sides the ball) ...the lack of any adjustments or recognition of what was even actually going on in the game, and how to attack it, and a total deviation away from what seemed to be our identity, especially on offense from last 2 games and a way to control a game from the on-set.

Safe to say I don't think our staff when watching the film even know what to watch, and build off of, and or where to tweak (more on that later) and sadly was a fail in the litmus test of who/what we are and that almost certain the Mtl game was an anomaly, or the just had a real bad night and came in too cocky and dropped a deuce...I think I am confident in saying it was both from what was witnessed

Now explain to me why we haven't been using Singer all yr....when we easily could have/should have been but opted for the sillyb3 Canadian plan? Sure it's one reg. season game...But he looked and did just as he has in his 2 pre-season games, has all the tools required (speed...tight route runner...high points a ball...a threat with it...obviously has ZC trust with 9 targets) and looked far from being a green rookie in one the more intimidating first game environments. Now imagine with me if you will where he could be right now with that being game 12 under his belt as opposed to 11 weeks running skelly in practice. Been saying it all yr what a dumb decision that was and talent should always trump familiarity and bias but here we are...seeing as the West has no real R.O.Y standout undoubted he would be our R.O.Y nominee and likely maybe the West front runner...weird eh...

Also explain to me why Cobb and Neild are ahead of Big Kev again...A guy who is a size mismatch with pretty much anyone...DB's you can see don't like taking him on with any physicality and has a 76% catch rate over his yrs here. He can play outside, though not his best place to be but would be ideal inside and in TE sets as a blocker "and" a threat to slide out and catch a pass and do something with it. Like Singer...Imagine what his development would be with actual use (proper use) and reps, especially now in his 3rd yr. Christ in his rookie yr he had an 80% catch rate...was good on 2nd down conversions at 15%...and this yr of his targets 67% have converted 2nd downs..seems like a guy you would wanna lean on and expand his role...But hey let's drop Corcorran and Cobb in the lineup...neither of whom compared to him, and quite frankly he should be getting more reps ahead of Neild too....But again talent and potential gets trumped by a HC bias to his favorites for whatever reason....That Daniel's poor attempt at that 2nd down conversion alone should at least have Clercius above him to be that guy, if not bump Daniels right off the roster for now. I have yet to see an impactful block by him this yr but have noticed Clercius on several with key blocks. But I guess since we traded up to get him that sealed his position on roster...Pre-determined before TC like several others

If Demski is back next week and the wr group isn't him with White..Pokey...Singer and more Clercius....Some heads need to roll if not get 5 upside the head...And if Pokey cant go then better be Womack getting his audition

Dumb roster decisions by a dumb coach...Also nice to get Peterson on the roster...but why when he just stood there all game...maybe a 2 back set at some times....Make the defense have to choose one or other...maybe slide one out in motion to see what coverage is there and if its a LB gonna be on man and not just a zone it opens up space for the other to run?...no creativity...no foresight...just dumb coaching to bring on a guy...much like Hazen to basically have zero participation...But looking at our neglected depth chart there was really nobody else to bring on...speaking of which we have no Global player on it so if Sheehan was to have gone down and cant go next week...we scrambling to add one and they get automatically rostered regardless of any usefulness...that's just mint too...They oblivious to their roster...as it sits we have 9 tho it was 10 with Peterson...but we can actually have 12 with 2 extra's being globals...and we don't have any why??...Be nice to have 1 there who we familiar with...and is familiar with us...but nope

Elsbury...why?....He has gotten worse as the season has dragged on...Obviously teams are doing their film work to see how to turnstile him. Tho we dont see it....Osh see's his big legs and is all chubby about it but the guy being an import is nowhere giving you bang for the buck when you sacrifice a much needed American elsewhere who could make an impact. And as mentioned in game day thread all these what seems like missed blocks/free guys taking shots/ what looks to be confusion as to who takes who on the interior....in my football experience and eye tells me the center is not making the right calls....and is not seeing things right cause that should never happen as much as it is...Our veteran oline man all around him should not look as pathetic as they have on many occasions, nor has their skills eroded that much...plus his snaps are still all over the map and not consistent, and for a big guy he sure gets roller skated back into the pocket alot..I' almost say more than Kolo...Eli would give us way more and is nowhere near as bad as Center Guy...He's now lost his name like Sheehan did until he started to punt more like a punter now, so got his name back

Those 2 last paragraphs lead again back to what my drum beat for 3+ yrs is now...Poor coaching...a total inability to recognize things...let alone actual talent that matters between the white lines...and is killing us...over and over.....and over...I didnt even listen to the post game but I sure osh used the big comeback to say basically we all good....and we arent

Woodbey I think is done for yr if not while as he went out non-contact, so curious what bonehead addition Osh will make...Seeing as they like to use Ayers (who stepped up) and Woodbey as an End...maybe dress Jaworski as he is...hmmm...an end and actually has a motor to play inside and could offer some spark to the Dline...But I sure he will go with Hazen...for no particular reason other than Osh is a clueless blind squirrel looking for a nut...as he seems to have none himself. I would have gave him huge props going for 2 when we had some momo to win the game even if we failed, but when he looked up under his skirt he just had an empty sac

BB...thats the true litmus...if we tank that one safe to say next weeks post will be rigor mortise setting in edition

Singer and Clercius both played this game. Clercius has been hurt most of the year BTW. Singer fair argument....should be on the field. Im ready to cut Nield anyway.

21 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Effort was fantastic...

Disagree....

29 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

To blame the coaches for the loss is ludicrous. This game was lost on poor tackling, awful QB protection, and receivers not catching balls that should have been caught. That's on the players themselves. Effort was fantastic...gameplan was a winner if we execute.

Singer and Clercius both played this game. Clercius has been hurt most of the year BTW. Singer fair argument....should be on the field. Im ready to cut Nield anyway.

Clercius played 1st..got hurt..been back last 5...but watching cobb and neild while he injured..and since he back..both should be behind him in reps and depth.

Singer yes played..but only cause of injury which is just plain idiotic..we both know if not for that he still be rotting on PR

Thats not an isolated incident either

48 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

To blame the coaches for the loss is ludicrous. This game was lost on poor tackling, awful QB protection, and receivers not catching balls that should have been caught. That's on the players themselves. Effort was fantastic...gameplan was a winner if we execute.

Singer and Clercius both played this game. Clercius has been hurt most of the year BTW. Singer fair argument....should be on the field. Im ready to cut Nield anyway.

Can you tell me the game plan as you saw it? I actually saw nothing of the kind. I saw no adjustments at halftime. Osh approves the game day roster. Who plays & who sits. Coordinators draw up a supposed game plan. They call the plays. To say they aren't to blame is absolutely ludicrous.

I have no clue as to what the offensive game plan was...no rhyme or reason to any of it

Defensively mostly appeared to be the same stuff...we have no progression in anything.. added no new wrinkles and are very predictable, making us exploitable when it matters most

Just wanted to chime in thought Tim White had a lousy game too. If the ball isnt coming his way the effort just isnt there.

1 hour ago, Booch said:

First off....tho not an excuse for the loss, but man that reffing again was the shitz

It really was. Not an excuse for losing, no but the reffing crews really need to figure out what forward progress entails.

Correct me if I’m wrong but if a ball carrier voluntarily moves backward toward the line of scrimmage, previous forward progress is negated. Multiple times including on a crucial series, Sask WRs moved backward before any contact and the refs placed the ball 1-3 yards forward from where the tackle ended up being made.

Pass interference and no yards are also super inconsistent. It’s ridiculous.

2 hours ago, Booch said:

I have no clue as to what the offensive game plan was...no rhyme or reason to any of it

Defensively mostly appeared to be the same stuff...we have no progression in anything.. added no new wrinkles and are very predictable, making us exploitable when it matters most

We don’t have progression on either side of the ball schematically from what I can see.

We’re so passive on defence in strategy and it’s bled into on field play. No aggression whatsoever. No one makes plays, we wait for the other teams to bugger something up and if they don’t it’s basically “Oh well, everyone tried hard and we’ll watch some film”

9 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

also - lots of Monday morning QB's saying the Bombers should have gone for 2 after the TD at the end to go for the win. I can see that being a legitimate argument, though if we hadn't gotten the 2 then I'm sure we'd all be screaming about why O'Shea did that....

I thought they should have gone for two in the moment.

Bombers have made both their two point convert attempts this year, and historically the league has been hovering around 45-50%. You are riding the high of momentum with that last minute TD drive and the Riders are back on their heels.

A few things working towards just finishing it off on that one play in no particular order

1. Tiebreaker - If the Bombers had missed they are down 1 in the tiebreaker, now they are down 6 (and could have been 8)
2. Bombers are among the worst teams in TD drive percentage, and similarly in RD TD %
3. Saskatchewan is one of the better teams in TD drive percentage, including RD TD %
4. On defense, the Bombers are one of the worst teams for opponents drives turning into touchdowns, they are middle of the pack when the opponent gets into the red zone though
5. On defense, the Riders are middle of the pack in preventing teams from driving for a TD %, but they are the best at preventing teams from scoring TDs when they are in the end zone
6. You are on the road, and the offense was having issues with the crowd noise (as evidenced with that time count in OT... why not call your timeout there?!?)

7. Wilson was banged up earlier in the quarter... I don't think he was available so you are missing one of your big play makers
   
   I think the scales were tipped way towards... lets try to finish this off ASAP

10 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

Singer reminded me of a young Clarence Denmark out there....

also - lots of Monday morning QB's saying the Bombers should have gone for 2 after the TD at the end to go for the win. I can see that being a legitimate argument, though if we hadn't gotten the 2 then I'm sure we'd all be screaming about why O'Shea did that....

I don't think that is a blameworthy decision. I do think going for it gives you the best chance of winning, but that is also hotly contested.

For me, complete 1 offensive play of 5 yards, or hope your D can stop a td and or 2 point, then have the O drive for a major and/or score a 2-point. Possibly having to repeat that many times. I think going for it gives you the best chance of winning, but playing for OT gives you multiple chances to win.

After watching this team underachieve consistently over the past 2-ish years, I would not bet on the O and D coming together at just the right time and doing everything it takes to win the shootout.

Edited September 8Sep 8 by wbbfan

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

I don't think that is a blameworthy decision. I do think going for it gives you the best chance of winning, but that is also hotly contested.

For me, complete 1 offensive play of 5 yards, or hope your D can stop a td and or 2 point, then have the O drive for a major and/or score a 2-point. Possibly having to repeat that many times. I think going for it gives you the best chance of winning, but playing for OT gives you multiple chances to win.

After watching this team underachieve consistently over the past 2-ish years, I would not bet on the O and D coming together at just the right time and doing everything it takes to win the shootout.

Dru Brown sure looked like an All CFL qb against the RedBlacks in OT. But everything worked out in the football nexus that night. I thought that Osh made the right call to go to OT.

I think the rationale is that pushing it to OT you give your team the option to make the play. Going for two you literally get one shot.

End of the day, we just didnt make the necessary plays. I dont know if going for 2 would have changed that scenario.

13 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Can you tell me the game plan as you saw it? I actually saw nothing of the kind. I saw no adjustments at halftime. Osh approves the game day roster. Who plays & who sits. Coordinators draw up a supposed game plan. They call the plays. To say they aren't to blame is absolutely ludicrous.

Can you tell me what needed changing? We were up by a point at half time, and ended up tied? You want wholesale changes at half time, on the road, in the LDC with a half time lead. That doesn't make much sense. This is exactly the game we needed to play. What I did see change was our OL wore down as the game went on, receivers drop some very catchable balls that killed drives, same with penalties but that's not on the coaches.

Edited September 8Sep 8 by GCn20

7 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

I think the scales were tipped way towards... lets try to finish this off ASAP

this. I’m always in favour of going for the win when it’s right in front you. They had the momentum, in a hostile environment. Go and take the win

Same reason why I agree with Mace’s call to go for 2 to make it 9, just about ends the game right there

13 hours ago, Booch said:

Clercius played 1st..got hurt..been back last 5...but watching cobb and neild while he injured..and since he back..both should be behind him in reps and depth.

Singer yes played..but only cause of injury which is just plain idiotic..we both know if not for that he still be rotting on PR

Thats not an isolated incident either

Clercius was hurt in pre-season but I agree. He should really just be playing all the reps that Daniels gets

The right call is always to go for OT. Always. Every coach ever will tell you that.

17 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

Singer reminded me of a young Clarence Denmark out there....

also - lots of Monday morning QB's saying the Bombers should have gone for 2 after the TD at the end to go for the win. I can see that being a legitimate argument, though if we hadn't gotten the 2 then I'm sure we'd all be screaming about why O'Shea did that....

I agree that a lot of casuals would have been upset to lose that way... but think most around here would've been in favour of going for two... just speaking personally, I was in favour of it at the time... The offense actually had some momentum, it shows the coach has confidence in his guys to get it done... and for once, we'd actually be playing to win rather than playing not to lose...

And as @ShyGuy mentioned, there was no scenario where an OT loss would be a better point differential... if we lose this one by one, and win by a FG next week, we have the season series...

I don't know how anyone can defend the coaches. If I am the opposing team:

Late in a game if you need a score:

• Run 7-8 yard routes. We know our QB will have time and the receiver will have a 5 yard cushion.

Late in the game if you need a stop:

• Blitz. We know the Bombers have zero ability to beat it.

15 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

what if Woodbey could tackle. What if Neild could catch in traffic? What if we had used BO a lot more effectively with screen passes?

Apparently "Touch down Tommy" was referring to the ball hitting the ground.

Edited September 8Sep 8 by Super Duper Negatron

His name should be Tommy Nein.