Is this ever a guy we should take a run at? I really like Pokey as a receiver but not sure he's a 1A Superstar guy... Would you ever take a run at Hatcher as your #1 and then have Pokey and Demski as 2/3?

 

 

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

Just watch, it's balancing itself out as we speak. 3 and even 4 Americans on the OL are no longer uncommon

I think we'll see more Canadian talents like Brady O, and more quality Americans on the OL

Does anyone even start a Canadian OT anymore? I believe the last one for the Big Blue was Gauthier, a good 15 years ago.

No CFL head coach dares put a Canadian Tackle on the left side of the OL. They aren't strong enough, quick enough or have the technique down to stop a fast American DE. They can't function on an island where'd they'd be out there. They only can play the interior of the OL. Overpaid to say the least.

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13 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No CFL head coach dares put a Canadian Tackle on the left side of the OL. They aren't strong enough, quick enough or have the technique down to stop a fast American DE. They can't function on an island where'd they'd be out there. They only can play the interior of the OL. Overpaid to say the least.

But would you say a Canadian guard makes as much as a top notch American tackle? I think the good OL would cost about the same

25 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No CFL head coach dares put a Canadian Tackle on the left side of the OL. They aren't strong enough, quick enough or have the technique down to stop a fast American DE. They can't function on an island where'd they'd be out there. They only can play the interior of the OL. Overpaid to say the least.

Huh? Wasnt Walby Canadian?

9 minutes ago, Piggy 1 said:

Huh? Wasnt Walby Canadian?

Walby was a Right Tackle fwiw...

47 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Walby was a Right Tackle fwiw...

Hmmmmmm, what was Gorell then?

1 hour ago, Piggy 1 said:

Hmmmmmm, what was Gorell then?

I assume Left... But for the longest time I thought Walby was Left and he was not....

8 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I assume Left... But for the longest time I thought Walby was Left and he was not....

I believe Walby also played inside, at some point

It's part of my justification that Stan is the greatest OL of all time. He's the blindside... One of the toughest positions to play in pro sports.... And Walby, bless him, was just a RT. I've always said Walby was the best ever, hands down, but with all things considered... I don't know how you say anyone other than Stan The Boy.

6 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

Woodmansey got $300k per year from Elks.

Not sure where he ranked last year, just that he was the best Canadian OL available in free agency. Supply and demand. So he picks up a big salary, but is he that good?

While Broxton is American, he ranked the best Lineman, period...and plays the most important position on offense outside of the QB. Gotta love it

57 minutes ago, Noeller said:

It's part of my justification that Stan is the greatest OL of all time. He's the blindside... One of the toughest positions to play in pro sports.... And Walby, bless him, was just a RT. I've always said Walby was the best ever, hands down, but with all things considered... I don't know how you say anyone other than Stan The Boy.

blind side tackle isn’t what it used to be, and was not as big a deal in the cfl with 5 ol and no te.

Plus, with the massive prominence of pistol and shotgun up here over the past 20-25 years, you haven’t been able to sneak up on and burry the qb from behind. From the pistol/gun you have equal view of the ends through out the whole play.

Down south, especially in the past, they played a massive amount of passing snaps from under the gun, and once you turned to throwing position and took a step back you turned your back to the rusher on the lt side. Because of that, in the nfl, they heavily pressed the end on the offensive left side to be a premier rusher. but that passed down there 10-15 years ago.

The Rt side was often the run side and so has the te a lot of the time on his shoulder, which helped as well.

5 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No CFL head coach dares put a Canadian Tackle on the left side of the OL. They aren't strong enough, quick enough or have the technique down to stop a fast American DE. They can't function on an island where'd they'd be out there. They only can play the interior of the OL. Overpaid to say the least.

we put paddy at T over the past two years, including atleast two starts. We’ve also seen teams push dts into play at T. Shepley was playing rt in the nfl and will likely be starting at t for the argos this year.

In this era, the gap to playing T isn’t huge like it was in the early 2ks. For one, you get away with murder in terms of holding now. For two, teams will pinch a wr or back to force an end into an under performing T and take away the looping rush lane. for 3, ol across the board are far more athletic. Canadian and american, the guys who aren’t on their last leg can move. For 4, we haven’t had any dominant elite edge rushers for a long while. It’s about disruption today not hits and sacks. 3t is a bigger danger to the qb than de most of the time. We just don’t get those fringe nfl edge rushers any more.

The majority of the monster size linemen we see (canadians) are raw as hell. So they get slipped in at g.

With the guys coming into the league now, we could easily be seeing more canadian Ts. The league is just stagnant in terms of innovation. No one thinks it’s worth the risk to break the mold.

Neufeld was a veteran with many years of starts behind him so I'm sure while the transition was still difficult for him, he had that experience to fall back on. He's not a rookie out of U Sport or a kid with a couple of years experience & he struggled as a right tackle at time as wel. The young guys playing in U Sport don't play tackle in the CFL after they're drafted very much.

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12 hours ago, Piggy 1 said:

Huh? Wasnt Walby Canadian?

Walby played in a different era.

6 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Neufeld was a veteran with many years of starts behind him so I'm sure while the transition was still difficult for him, he had that experience to fall back on. He's not a rookie out of U Sport or a kid with a couple of years experience & he struggled as a right tackle at time as wel. The young guys playing in U Sport don't play tackle in the CFL after they're drafted very much.

Neuf was also originally a T.

If any thing playing T after a career at G is going to be harder, especially when mobility has been such an issue for neuf the past few years.

Usports kids didn’t get shots at many positions, until they started to. Now some positions are normalized that used to be ratio breakers

31 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Neuf was also originally a T.

If any thing playing T after a career at G is going to be harder, especially when mobility has been such an issue for neuf the past few years.

Usports kids didn’t get shots at many positions, until they started to. Now some positions are normalized that used to be ratio breakers

No way Paddy could play OT for anything more than an emergency now. He bulked up to play in the interior, then he bulked up some more when he discovered Tim Horton's lol.

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5 hours ago, GCn20 said:

No way Paddy could play OT for anything more than an emergency now. He bulked up to play in the interior, then he bulked up some more when he discovered Tim Horton's lol.

You're right, he isn't more than a stopgap. If, however, he can stop the gap, as can a DT can, you can groom a young Canadian to fill the role. Be they a CIS kid, or an NCAA kid. Honestly, the upside of the upper-tier CIS OL and NCAA OL isn't some big gap. The upper-tier cis kids are generally very toolsy athletic outliers these days.

lol, listening to his and Zach's orders from McDonald's on the podcast a while back was pretty funny.

3 hours ago, Brandon said:

CFL.ca

Ticats sign receiver Kurleigh Gittens Jr. to two-year con...

The Hamilton Tiger-Cats announced on Thursday the signing of National wide receiver Kurleigh Gittens Jr. to a two-year contract.

Thats a good pick up, but I think the ti cats got bad info on Gittens. He never played for the bombers. Maybe they intended to sign Case instead?

22 hours ago, Mark H. said:

But would you say a Canadian guard makes as much as a top notch American tackle? I think the good OL would cost about the same

I'd think that Canadians at Guard would be paid more than an American at LT. Stanley Bryant has never made $300000 a year like Woodmansey in Edmonton & he is the greatest LT the CFL has ever seen.

9 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Neuf was also originally a T.

And, where did he end up? Guard.

13 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I'd think that Canadians at Guard would be paid more than an American at LT. Stanley Bryant has never made $300000 a year like Woodmansey in Edmonton & he is the greatest LT the CFL has ever seen.

And, where did he end up? Guard.

NAT OL, or any other starting NAT, is going to make more than most IMPs at the same or similar position.

I liked Walters presser. I like how he confirmed that we will be seeing a lot of 30 front this year and that was one of the reasons he went hard after Ceresna. It seemed like this was the probability when we signed Ceresna and then JSK afterwards. I know a lot of us here don't care for 30 front, but if you got the right pieces it can be a very good defence against the passing game. Last year we just didn't have the horses. With Ceresna here, and more Lawson, we should be able to execute it at a much higher level. I think this would give Jaworski a big edge in camp for the other DE spot as well.

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3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

NAT OL, or any other starting NAT, is going to make more than most IMPs at the same or similar position.

Which is why THERE ARE TIMES (not always) when I wish the ratio would be gone so guys like Stanley Bryant can be at the top of the pay scale. I've seen enough shitty Canadian OL who'll never, ever be close to even thinking about being great except in their own minds... get totally overpaid. Think of the pylons we had playing for us on the OL in the early 2010's. We tried to build an All Canadian OL & after 3 years Walters & Osh were no closer to fininshing what they started.

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Which is why THERE ARE TIMES (not always) when I wish the ratio would be gone so guys like Stanley Bryant can be at the top of the pay scale. I've seen enough shitty Canadian OL who'll never, ever be close to even thinking about being great except in their own minds... get totally overpaid. Think of the pylons we had playing for us on the OL in the early 2010's. We tried to build an All Canadian OL & after 3 years Walters & Osh were no closer to fininshing what they started.

With the NFL now grabbing and sitting on a ton of NAT OL due to expanded PR sizes and eligibility, we just don't have the luxury of an all NAT OL in this league anymore. We lose the top of our draft every year to them and it takes years, in many cases, for these guys to shake loose now. Double that up with the insane 3 year entry level pay rates for draftees and you get every NAT OL who even gets a whiff of the NFL, even though they are just signed to futures contracts which translates almost to guaranteed to get cut, going and playing long odds to sit on an NFL PR. The CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on the entry level deal. We are delaying getting our draftees here because they are willing to roll the dice rather than play for peanuts.

CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on deals for Nationals and increase the operations cap.

46 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on deals for Nationals and increase the operations cap.

I’d add ffs at the end of this sentence for good measure. :)

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on deals for Nationals and increase the operations cap.

Totally agree. I don't understand why the hell they even capped it. Cap year one if you must, then allow teams to renegotiate the contract if they so choose.

42 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Totally agree. I don't understand why the hell they even capped it. Cap year one if you must, then allow teams to renegotiate the contract if they so choose.

It was because of a #1 pick (an OL I think). He ended up getting signed for a ridiculous amount before he did anything. The CFLPA basically said teams are signing these huge contracts for a guy who hasn't done anything only because he's a high canadian pick. While other stars aren't being compensated to the same degree even though they are legit stars for the league/team. And I can see their point. But...it's back fired now. Because whatever the cap is now is so low that for a guy that's on the edge of being on an NFL roster/pr, it just doesn't make financial sense to sign with the CFL until he's sure he's got no chance. And as we are seeing, that can take years.