25/26 CFL (Non Bombers) Off Season Thread

[Bigblue204]

6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

If we ended up with say Eberhardt and Brisset, would that be that bad?

No. I might be inclined to take Eberhardt over Mack honestly. 

[Arnold_Palmer]

4 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

If we ended up with say Eberhardt and Brisset, would that be that bad?

Yes. We need that alpha target, game on the line, makes the big catch. Demski is a great player, Wilson is a very good player but we need someone to replace what we lost in Lawler. Austin Mac is that guy. 

[blue85gold]

2 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Yes. We need that alpha target, game on the line, makes the big catch. Demski is a great player, Wilson is a very good player but we need someone to replace what we lost in Lawler. Austin Mac is that guy. 

Ya Mack is the make a big play on the ball down field guy. Would be a good fit with ZC

[Bigblue204]

5 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Yes. We need that alpha target, game on the line, makes the big catch. Demski is a great player, Wilson is a very good player but we need someone to replace what we lost in Lawler. Austin Mac is that guy. 

To be fair Eberhardt has a higher YPC than Mack in more games played...BUUUT he's never really been "that guy" like Mack has. I would be ok with taking Eberhardt if Mack proves to want too much $$.

[wbbfan]

5 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Yes. We need that alpha target, game on the line, makes the big catch. Demski is a great player, Wilson is a very good player but we need someone to replace what we lost in Lawler. Austin Mac is that guy. 

 

1 minute ago, blue85gold said:

Ya Mack is the make a big play on the ball down field guy. Would be a good fit with ZC

Mack has been good at that, yes. But Eberhardt last year was better downfield than Mack has ever been. 

14.8 YPC vs 19.2, which I believe lead the whole league. Eberhardt also had a better catch rate, and in 85 fewer catches has the same amount of tds, just 400 fewer yards, and 140 ish les yac. Eberhardt also hasn't missed a game since he broke into the league. If you give him 100+ targets in a year, you will get some kenny lawler type production. 

I'd be very happy with either, but Id take the upside and health of Eberhardt over Mack.  

 

 

[Bigblue204]

6 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

 

Mack has been good at that, yes. But Eberhardt last year was better downfield than Mack has ever been. 

14.8 YPC vs 19.2, which I believe lead the whole league. Eberhardt also had a better catch rate, and in 85 fewer catches has the same amount of tds, just 400 fewer yards, and 140 ish les yac. Eberhardt also hasn't missed a game since he broke into the league. If you give him 100+ targets in a year, you will get some kenny lawler type production. 

I'd be very happy with either, but Id take the upside and health of Eberhardt over Mack.  

 

 

I wonder how much of Eberhardt's success was because of Hatcher? I suppose Wilson/Demski is about as good at drawing coverage as you can get too...

[JohnnyAbonny]

Not to jump into negativity but I feel like with all the guys we’ve extended that we’re going to miss out on the big FA targets.
We’ll probably end up with a guy like Bane Jr. 

[Tracker]

7 hours ago, Booch said:

YEAH...true, as seen here that coaching has rostered questionable players

I know you are a Osh fan, and I can say yes he was a huge part of that success (can't be denied) but was also a bigger part of the flops too, as he had final say 

 

And no one can live on their past glories.

[Noeller]

I like Mack a lot but he's 5'10" and injury prone... That's concerning. 

And without knowing what any of the contract details are for guys we signed, it's impossible to say we have no money. Could be a bunch on the '25 cap... Could be a bunch of Appearance Fee money... It's not time to whine just yet. 

[Brandon]

12 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I like Mack a lot but he's 5'10" and injury prone... That's concerning. 

Agreed... we don't need another injury prone receiver.   I'd rather get the B tier receivers who are steady and who won't miss large stretches of games.    

[Pete]

12 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Agreed... we don't need another injury prone receiver.   I'd rather get the B tier receivers who are steady and who won't miss large stretches of games.    

That didnt work for us ly. Macks injury history is concerning but White may be a better choice

[blue85gold]

13 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I like Mack a lot but he's 5'10" and injury prone... That's concerning. 

And without knowing what any of the contract details are for guys we signed, it's impossible to say we have no money. Could be a bunch on the '25 cap... Could be a bunch of Appearance Fee money... It's not time to whine just yet. 

Mack is over 6 feet no? 

https://www.cfl.ca/players/austin-mack/167550/

[Noeller]

I swear when I first started reading about him after he got cut that I found something online where he was listed at 5'10"... And just checking Wiki he's at 6'1".... That's definitely better. 

As has been posted in here a number of times, ZC8 absolutely NEEDS a taller receiver who can win the contested catches, as Lawler did. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Noeller

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Im surprised he didnt get more of an NFL look, but then I also think he could've gotten nutty money in free agency. 

Curious too. Imo, Wr, DL, Ol those are the position groups to spend money at. OL can be a bit hard for team-to-team transitions, though. And of course QB. Better to spend a million on your 4 wrs and go all young guys in the secondary imo. 

Gittens is yeah. I like all those guys. 

Johnson had a decent run in the NFL before coming up, older than I thought as well but still in his peak. 

I'd be very, very happy with that.  I think you still need some insurance policy, guys, like sterns. And more Canadian WR depth, but that would be fantastic. 

We need two receivers. One who is a guy who pushes the ball downfield & is a deep threat. The other is a possession receiver who isn't afraid to get his nose bloodied blocking for others. A Darvin Adams or Sheed Bailey type. I think Robustelli, Nield or Eberhardt fills that void. A deep threat downfield is much harder to find. That's why letting Lawler walk was such an insanely stupid decision last year. Especially when he said he was willing to take a bit less than he got in Hamilton to stay here. Hopefully that guy is now Ontaria Wilson. Do you think we bring back Keric Wheatfall? Should we? 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

If we ended up with say Eberhardt and Brisset, would that be that bad?

No, not at all. 

[Booch]

Injury prone isnt really a thing unless its a brittle bone situation...its more s guy has been unlucky/unfortunate 

Eberhardt be a good compliment to a guy like Mack who can be the downfield and over top threat 

Wilson I think is what Eberhardt would give us already...but better...we need a bigger dynamic guy to compliment what we have.

Id even kick Rhymes tires if we strike out everywhere as well as either him or Mack would be beneficial for ZC with what I expect numerous ducks ..floaters and throws wuth the wtf was that about tag

If we could land a Gittens or Brisett to go with Demski...Clercius in a rotational role and yeah gonna say it..Woli as depth and bring some that old leadership and attitude back as well being ZC security blanket we could have a real good offence and control the clock

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

I wonder how much of Eberhardt's success was because of Hatcher? I suppose Wilson/Demski is about as good at drawing coverage as you can get too...

that whole offence put up great numbers. But he did have good numbers the year before too.

 Yeah I think his fit would be great with demski, wilson and zach. 

 

[Mark H.]

3 hours ago, Tracker said:

And no one can live on their past glories.

Fair comment. My primary point is that other coaches who were here had no past glory to live off of. At least O'Shea delivered some glory.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Injury prone isnt really a thing unless its a brittle bone situation...its more s guy has been unlucky/unfortunate 

Eberhardt be a good compliment to a guy like Mack who can be the downfield and over top threat 

Wilson I think is what Eberhardt would give us already...but better...we need a bigger dynamic guy to compliment what we have.

Id even kick Rhymes tires if we strike out everywhere as well as either him or Mack would be beneficial for ZC with what I expect numerous ducks ..floaters and throws wuth the wtf was that about tag

If we could land a Gittens or Brisett to go with Demski...Clercius in a rotational role and yeah gonna say it..Woli as depth and bring some that old leadership and attitude back as well being ZC security blanket we could have a real good offence and control the clock

I don't think Walters will bring Woli back with what is out there already. There are some nice pieces for receivers we could use but now's not the time for our GM to suddenly sit ion his hands like he's done the past 3 years thinking that signing our aging veteran core all over again is work done enough this off season. 

Edited 14 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[Tracker]

50 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Fair comment. My primary point is that other coaches who were here had no past glory to live off of. At least O'Shea delivered some glory.

I am in partial agreement, but am given to wonder if he was mostly the benficiary of a very good roster assembled by Walters. When that roster was thinned out by aging, injury and defections, O'Shea's effectiveness faded out because he was unable/unwilling to adapt.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

I am in partial agreement, but am given to wonder if he was mostly the benficiary of a very good roster assembled by Walters. When that roster was thinned out by aging, injury and defections, O'Shea's effectiveness faded out because he was unable/unwilling to adapt.

To me MOS comes across as a live by the sword die by the sword type person that is probably one of his greatest strengths but also can be one of his greatest weaknesses depending on the scenarios that present themselves. I think he might have a hard time recognizing when to use this strength and when not to use it but hey i’m just a rando guy on the interwebz.

[Booch]

12 hours ago, Tracker said:

I am in partial agreement, but am given to wonder if he was mostly the benficiary of a very good roster assembled by Walters. When that roster was thinned out by aging, injury and defections, O'Shea's effectiveness faded out because he was unable/unwilling to adapt.

Basically...and the yrs prior tothe Walters architecture of 2019-2022.....He had a foot out the door as well to be looking for work

10 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

To me MOS comes across as a live by the sword die by the sword type person that is probably one of his greatest strengths but also can be one of his greatest weaknesses depending on the scenarios that present themselves. I think he might have a hard time recognizing when to use this strength and when not to use it but hey i’m just a rando guy on the interwebz.

That and he views players with backward assessment/success and not forward thinking/looking....until it's way too late 

And yeah it's the CFL and all....But his Canadian bias too is a weak point and handcuffs our roster with at times not the best option when it doesnt have to be that way

[Goalie]

11 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

To me MOS comes across as a live by the sword die by the sword type person that is probably one of his greatest strengths but also can be one of his greatest weaknesses depending on the scenarios that present themselves. I think he might have a hard time recognizing when to use this strength and when not to use it but hey i’m just a rando guy on the interwebz.

Oshea’s biggest weakness is he can’t tell guys it’s time to move on. And I think that’s because as a former player he played until the wheels fell off so he feels these guys deserve to go out on their terms. I don’t like the Kyrie signing but Kyrie was pretty good last year and healthy. He’s a good vet. But yeah I’d like to see new blood also. His biggest coaching weakness is and always will be roster management and not using the rules to their advantage. O’Shea really believes in the C in Canadian football league.