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9 hours ago, Noeller said:

It's really humourous to me watching Booch take the hardline anti-Osh stance, and Gcn20 intentionally take the hardline anti-Walters stance as a reciprocal....

I'm more a fan of grey areas.... And less of the black and white. 

That's because you don't know as much as Booch. ;)

 

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Posted
15 hours ago, Booch said:

Saying a guy has obvious flaws...both of them...and signs to rectifying them still seem suspect at best...is humorous?

And coming from the person who wails the sky is falling the most around here...and most times with no basis to back any of it? Now that's humorous.

Me and @GCn20 differ in opinion on a lot...but also agree on a lot if not more..but also try and put some legitimacy and facts with it...you? Not so much 

but thanks for the recognition...😁

We both share the same sentiments on a lot of the problems the Bombers have and a similar ideology on what will be required to fix it. I am just not as opposed to MOS being our HC. I think you share similar sentiments to me on KW's job performance.

I have said all along that MOS has serious flaws that require the GM to step in. That's the difference of opinion you and I have, who has final say on what players are signed. I believe it is Walters, you believe it is Oshea. I think Osh has final say on what players are kept and how they are used, but i don't believe that Osh has final say on who is signed or resigned. Osh should have input but believe that Walters should wear the hat for who is under contract. If he has ceded that authority to MOS then that is a dereliction of duty imo.

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1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

We both share the same sentiments on a lot of the problems the Bombers have and a similar ideology on what will be required to fix it. I am just not as opposed to MOS being our HC. I think you share similar sentiments to me on KW's job performance.

I have said all along that MOS has serious flaws that require the GM to step in. That's the difference of opinion you and I have, who has final say on what players are signed. I believe it is Walters, you believe it is Oshea. I think Osh has final say on what players are kept and how they are used, but i don't believe that Osh has final say on who is signed or resigned. Osh should have input but believe that Walters should wear the hat for who is under contract. If he has ceded that authority to MOS then that is a dereliction of duty imo.

GM yes I believe has final say....or should....that being said Osh has too much sway...was even reported as such, and Walter's even has been on record more or less saying Osh has had hissy fit/temper tantrums about roster...that is not a good thing, and needed to be rectified.

We need the G.M to do his jib, and H.C to do his from what the G.M gives him....I dont think thats 100 percent how it's going here, and it's obvious from what we witnessed last few yrs...but when you have buddies all in the role they have here...those defined lines get blurred

Walter's prob succumbed to the whining that if you pooch Jake and Kolo....I want this player...or that player kinda thing...and again...bad management all around

8 hours ago, Mark H. said:

'93 - '94; 2001 - 2003

Several GOATs on those teams 

really tho....thats a poor argument that if Osh was coaching those teams they'd have won, because of amy of those coaches had been in control of the 2022-2025 teams...we prob have 3 more cup wins

One the yrs u cited we had the QB go out in EF and also got boned on 2 calls in the pre-review era

another a kicker who couldnt hit broad side of a barn and a RB who was essentially still drunk come game day....

Posted
55 minutes ago, Booch said:

One the yrs u cited we had the QB go out in EF and also got boned on 2 calls in the pre-review era

another a kicker who couldnt hit broad side of a barn and a RB who was essentially still drunk come game day....

Some of these issues...are strongly connected to coaching. 

21 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

93-Matty got hurt and we had to play Garza

94-Hit the upright and lost by 2 and a call in favour of Baltimore that would be reversed if there had been replay.

 

Yes. And there are excuses for 2001 too. 

Posted
31 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Some of these issues...are strongly connected to coaching. 

Yes. And there are excuses for 2001 too. 

YEAH...true, as seen here that coaching has rostered questionable players

I know you are a Osh fan, and I can say yes he was a huge part of that success (can't be denied) but was also a bigger part of the flops too, as he had final say 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Booch said:

YEAH...true, as seen here that coaching has rostered questionable players

I know you are a Osh fan, and I can say yes he was a huge part of that success (can't be denied) but was also a bigger part of the flops too, as he had final say 

The physicality and willingness to go to wall for their coach, from 2017 to sometime in 2022, cannot be denied.

2022 to 2025 are somewhat of a head scratcher, it does seem that complacency set in, much of it for the reasons you always cite.

Posted
2 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Some of these issues...are strongly connected to coaching. 

Yes. And there are excuses for 2001 too. 

2001 was the most gut-wrenching GC loss for me: the drought, plus that talent gap between us and the stamps. 

1 minute ago, Mark H. said:

The physicality and willingness to go to wall for their coach, from 2017 to sometime in 2022, cannot be denied.

2022 to 2025 are somewhat of a head scratcher, it does seem that complacency set in, much of it for the reasons you always cite.

You sure are right about that. The pre-ship teams played everyone so tough. The magic with finding Zach, moving BA to S, etc, in 19 was insane. And the 21 team was a monster that played like they had a chip on their shoulder. That unit could've hung 50 in every single game. Zach got to sit and chill in so many 4ths lol. 

 I think the 21 atmosphere of being unbeatable from the outside, and the fact that we kept scraping our way back to GCs, softened things up a lot. Mos needed to tighten the reins in those years, not loosen them. 

Posted
1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

2001 was the most gut-wrenching GC loss for me: the drought, plus that talent gap between us and the stamps. 

Bob Cameron of all people gets a punt blocked! Returned for a td as well. Just pisses me off thinking about it even still.

I also maintain that if Westwood makes those first few field goals we win that game. Jumping out 9-0 is a hell of a lot different momentum wise than 4-0

Posted
2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

I think the 21 atmosphere of being unbeatable from the outside, and the fact that we kept scraping our way back to GCs, softened things up a lot. Mos needed to tighten the reins in those years, not loosen them. 

On point.

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