25/26 CFL (Non Bombers) Off Season Thread

[17to85]

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The Bombers 10-8 record last year was pure luck.

I don't think it was.... I mean as much as they had some close games they probably could have lost, they also had some close games they probably could have won. So a 10-8 record is probably where they ought to be. One game better than .500, it's not like it was some fantastic record and they got a home playoff game out of it or anything.

[TBURGESS]

Walters has constantly overpaid our stars... Collaros, Brady, Jefferson to name a few.  That's why we can't pick up other teams top free agents. 

[GCn20]

42 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Walters has constantly overpaid our stars... Collaros, Brady, Jefferson to name a few.  That's why we can't pick up other teams top free agents. 

Some of the contracts have been baffling for sure.

[JuranBoldenRules]

59 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Walters has constantly overpaid our stars... Collaros, Brady, Jefferson to name a few.  That's why we can't pick up other teams top free agents. 

Where did Collaros and Jefferson come from?

[GCn20]

3 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Where did Collaros and Jefferson come from?

Collaros came in trade, but yea that is a good point. 

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Collaros came in trade, but yea that is a good point. 

THat was also 8 yrs ago also...before we effed up our SMS to Assett/ability ratio 

Since we grabbed WJ in FA ....who is a big ticket FA we have grabbed that was a coup or considered a big score?....I cant really recall any off the top off my head...but can think of multiple guys we re-upped/extended for big money...but small production....cause it was the curse of status quo/we good....and not projecting 2...3 yrs ahead

[Bigblue204]

Until I know what the salary cap is, I don't know how anyone can say we're overpaying this guy or that guy. We don't know.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Until I know what the salary cap is, I don't know how anyone can say we're overpaying this guy or that guy. We don't know.

wasnt it like 50k a yr moving up to the next collective bargaining agreement?

Lat yr 400k bump was a precentage of the new rev the league got from its rev sharing part of deal....so that first big bump may not be the norm yr in and yr out...or it could be even greater...Too bad the League isnt a bit more transparent about it...or putting it out there for all to see

Maybe this yr its up another 300....400k in addition to the 50k....so essentially almost a million higher than 2024

 

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

Walters has constantly overpaid our stars... Collaros, Brady, Jefferson to name a few.  That's why we can't pick up other teams top free agents. 

Are you suggesting that other teams have not over paid for free agents?  Have we not had many discussions on here for how insane some contracts have been thrown around the league and yet those teams are able to sign multiple free agents.      Didn't BC have Rourke + Adams and was still able to purchase more players?

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

THat was also 8 yrs ago also...before we effed up our SMS to Assett/ability ratio 

Since we grabbed WJ in FA ....who is a big ticket FA we have grabbed that was a coup or considered a big score?....I cant really recall any off the top off my head...but can think of multiple guys we re-upped/extended for big money...but small production....cause it was the curse of status quo/we good....and not projecting 2...3 yrs ahead

Agree on that as well. 

26 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Are you suggesting that other teams have not over paid for free agents?  Have we not had many discussions on here for how insane some contracts have been thrown around the league and yet those teams are able to sign multiple free agents.      Didn't BC have Rourke + Adams and was still able to purchase more players?

I don't care what other teams do and the mistakes they make. BC is a poor example. They went 200k over the SMS and lost 2 draft picks.

[Bigblue204]

36 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Are you suggesting that other teams have not over paid for free agents?  Have we not had many discussions on here for how insane some contracts have been thrown around the league and yet those teams are able to sign multiple free agents.      Didn't BC have Rourke + Adams and was still able to purchase more players?

We don't pay anyone, which is why we are over the cap. Being over the cap is also why we can't afford any FA even though we wouldn't sign them anyways.

This forum has gone bananas!!

Up is left, down is wrong, wrong is purple and the only thing left to do is complain about absolutely everything!!!

[17to85]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Complaining we can't keep guys because they over spent in free agency or keeping our own guys and complaining about lack of splash free agent signings. 

Bottom line there's no right or wrong, the only judgements are in the win column.

[rebusrankin]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Where did Collaros and Jefferson come from?

Their parents?

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Until I know what the salary cap is, I don't know how anyone can say we're overpaying this guy or that guy. We don't know.

salary cap increases of a significant amount is extremely rare. I would not be banking on another increase before the next cba/tv deal. 

 

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

Are you suggesting that other teams have not over paid for free agents?  Have we not had many discussions on here for how insane some contracts have been thrown around the league and yet those teams are able to sign multiple free agents.      Didn't BC have Rourke + Adams and was still able to purchase more players?

I don’t think other teams have had as high a rate of over paying guys when they resign.

We also gamble on guys like kramdi and lawson when it comes to extensions. We do so hoping that we pay a bit more the first year then save money after that and have an easier time on the following contract. 

Bc is certainly the team who has over paid other teams free agents the most in the doman era. Them and edmonton who are constantly trying to fix bad teams in free agency. 

 

Right now, every one seems to be using the increased cap space to front load deals and over pay guys who resign. At this point, I don’t think guys who go to free agency will do early as well as the guys who lock in before the end of this year. 

Edited 40 minutes ago by wbbfan

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Bottom line there's no right or wrong, the only judgements are in the win column.

Where this team has been more often than not.

[wbbfan]

6 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Where this team has been more often than not.

not all wins are created equal though. When you lose the ship, it’s like being graded on a bell curve and getting a good grade greatly reduced. History has seen plenty of people with winning records get canned.

The worst job security in football is being on the wrong side of a great era. When a great team slides down a bit, the seats get real hot real fast. 
The raptors had multiple great cases like that. Firing the president who brought a ship, the coach who won it, right after firing the coach of the year. 

Football is more cut throat than most sports for teams who build high expectations. The much shorter season makes each L a bigger deal. 

[TBURGESS]

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

Are you suggesting that other teams have not over paid for free agents?  Have we not had many discussions on here for how insane some contracts have been thrown around the league and yet those teams are able to sign multiple free agents.      Didn't BC have Rourke + Adams and was still able to purchase more players?

Of course, I'm not saying that. 

BC got rid of Adams as soon as they could & dropped Awe to afford Sankey. They gave Rourke a bunch O marketing money to make his contract work, which was absolutely brilliant.

Teams can 'overspend' on single players maybe even 2, but when they 'overspend' on more than that, especially at the QB spot, the highest paid player, then they run into SMS issues.

[rebusrankin]

10 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Of course, I'm not saying that. 

BC got rid of Adams as soon as they could & dropped Awe to afford Sankey. They gave Rourke a bunch O marketing money to make his contract work, which was absolutely brilliant.

Teams can 'overspend' on single players maybe even 2, but when they 'overspend' on more than that, especially at the QB spot, the highest paid player, then they run into SMS issues.

Are you argueing that BC has done better on not overpaying than us? I'd say the Rourke, Betts, Hatcher etc deals, being 300k over the cap in 2024 and how cheap they have gone at many spots on D says otherwise. I agree we've done poorly in this area but I don't think BC has done better.