Permission to talk: Is O'Shea leaving?

[17to85]

14 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Yeah, he can not be what drives the offense. In a perfect world, I'd love to see 7 or 8 blockers on any given play with two true TE types that can catch. Have two or three legit ball carriers moving around with some big play WR types taking the top off. 

We bring in extra protection all the time, it doesn't matter when the middle of your line goes "OLE!" And you got no targets to dump the ball quick. 

We need to use less blockers and have more receiving targets. Beat pressure with quick completions not protection for slow developing plays.

[HardCoreBlue]

28 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

We bring in extra protection all the time, it doesn't matter when the middle of your line goes "OLE!" And you got no targets to dump the ball quick. 

We need to use less blockers and have more receiving targets. Beat pressure with quick completions not protection for slow developing plays.

Now there's a photoshopped video of our offense ready to be made.

[17to85]

24 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Now there's a photoshopped video of our offense ready to be made.

If i had that skill.....

[GCn20]

On 2025-11-20 at 10:06 AM, Booch said:

yeah he said he allots certain amounts to certain position groups, and seems as rigid with that as osh is with his ratio...both should be fluid and adjusted on the fly if need arises or you have an opportunity to upgrade somewhere....missing put on FA guys or letting others go because it doesn't meet what you already predetermined as your ratio...is just dumb...and makes your roster decay...kinda like ours has...

Totally 100% agree. You can have a number on a position group as a max but there should be no minimum. I don't like KW's cap skills.

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

With what he is about to make for 2026...what BO could be pulling in...tho I think he as good as gone with Osh back....need for a legit #1...Demski's money, oline issues and quickfix is FA signings...do we even have the ability cash wise to surround him with the best we can find?....doubtful...unless we cut and scrimp elsewhere and bastardize the roster even further to make the remote chance of ZC being elite even a possibility

But...possible way is to remove salaries of KOLO...Tomas..Kramdi..Wilsom....Holm...Gauthier...Hallett....they all outlived their bang for buck value...a few of which never deserved the buck they were eating

 

With the exception of Kramdi most of these guys aren't making enough over minimum to have a great effect on our SMS. That's not to say we shouldn't move on, but if you think there is meaningful savings letting them go there isn't. I did not include Holm because WTF? The guy is a very good DB. Also you have this huge hate on for Kramdi but he is worth every penny.  Every player needs to be replaced by someone even the above and they all get paid salary too. Your savings are only what they are getting above replacement. Kolo won't be replaced for even a dollar less than what we are paying him,  Wilson maybe 20-25k we could save with a rookie, Gauthier and Hallet are probably at or close to league min. We don't create meaningful SMS cutting the bottom of our roster. We gotta do it at the top and middle. Again, that's not me saying we should bring back any of those guys, just saying cutting them for SMS reasons isn't going to give us much extra SMS.

[Noeller]

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

[Bigblue204]

5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

yup, him Nichols and Allen should all be back next season.

[GCn20]

7 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

I completely agree. Not sure what the thinking on that is at all. We need to get rid of guys that are not performing and old not young and excelling. Same goes for a very reasonably priced Redha Kramdi. He is a bargain right now. Booch hasn't liked either guy since day one, and refuses to admit both guys have turned into pretty darn good players....but MOS is the biased one...lol.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[HardCoreBlue]

15 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

Another example of an athlete that brings the full package.

[Noeller]

I fully understand that it might be time for Jake... (Tho I believe the issue is more how much he was used, but he may have to be moved on from entirely in order to keep him off the field too much.. similar to Bighill last year...)

Paddy and Stan... I'm not sure what they have left in the tank but I trust the OL coaches to know best. Koala... They clearly see something we don't. But it sure seems to me like we can do better there. But again, I have to trust the OL coaches. Costello knows more than us. 

I feel like we can PROBABLY do better than Tony Jones but I think they're pretty committed to him unless they magically find a superstar a la Bighill in 2017 (??) to step in right away that's clearly an upgrade. 

Kyrie had a fairly productive season and managed to stay healthy.... But can we upgrade at that spot? 

Schoen and Strev... It might be time to cut ties. Love em both but those knees can't be trusted. 

Other than that, I'm not sure what really jumps out at me that we NEED to move on from. 

[rebusrankin]

You move on from:

1. Jake because he's not productive (9 tackles this year in 18 games), isn't cheap.

2. Kyrie Wilson because he's older, you have two young Canadian linebackers who need time and he's solid but not an all-star.

3. Kolo-He's the worst center in the CFL.

4. Streveler-Injuries have taken a toll.

5. Schoen-See above.

6.  Mitchell and Logan-Signings that didn't work out.

Then you need to have serious discussions about:

1. Jefferson-I don't think he's worth 200k. I think he's on the decline. I don't buy the lack of production entirely being about scheme. Now if he was on a cheaper contract and you knew he was going to rotate, maybe he's back.

2. Vaughters-Not sure he's worth 165,000. Honestly I think you need to move on from at least one of Vaughters and Jefferson.

3. The secondary. Holm, Nichols and Kramdi all made between $140,000 and $150,000. I don't think you can afford to spend some much on the secondary. Not sure who you let go. Parker given his injury history and inconsistent performance likely needs to be moved on from.

4. Oline-Do Stan and Neufeld want to come back? Should they?

 

[Booch]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

With the exception of Kramdi most of these guys aren't making enough over minimum to have a great effect on our SMS. That's not to say we shouldn't move on, but if you think there is meaningful savings letting them go there isn't. I did not include Holm because WTF? The guy is a very good DB. Also you have this huge hate on for Kramdi but he is worth every penny.  Every player needs to be replaced by someone even the above and they all get paid salary too. Your savings are only what they are getting above replacement. Kolo won't be replaced for even a dollar less than what we are paying him,  Wilson maybe 20-25k we could save with a rookie, Gauthier and Hallet are probably at or close to league min. We don't create meaningful SMS cutting the bottom of our roster. We gotta do it at the top and middle. Again, that's not me saying we should bring back any of those guys, just saying cutting them for SMS reasons isn't going to give us much extra SMS.

Kolo is 150k minimum...may be a shade above...Thomas with his 121 yrs on the team isn't making chump change either...certainly well north of 110...120 k

 

44 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

no he wasnt.....he was decent but not irreplaceable...especially at 140k...yeah he got a nod for all-star.....but he wasnt our best db by any stretch

We would be just fine replacing him and be no worse for wear...and save a pile of cash...and become a more physical group....one that can tackle effectively...consistently

[sweep the leg]

7 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

 

3. The secondary. Holm, Nichols and Kramdi all made between $140,000 and $150,000. I don't think you can afford to spend some much on the secondary. Not sure who you let go. Parker given his injury history and inconsistent performance likely needs to be moved on from.

I think you can when the cbs and safety are on rookie deals.

[Booch]

41 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

yup, him Nichols and Allen should all be back next season.

need to have back guys as DB/cover LB guys....Nichols..Allen...Griffin...Woodbey......If cash allows....Holm......the rst of the crew....see ya later and thanks for the memories

 

43 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I completely agree. Not sure what the thinking on that is at all. We need to get rid of guys that are not performing and old not young and excelling. Same goes for a very reasonably priced Redha Kramdi. He is a bargain right now. Booch hasn't liked either guy since day one, and refuses to admit both guys have turned into pretty darn good players....but MOS is the biased one...lol.

He grew on me a bit last yr....but this yr was not great....and lacks physicalityin a bug way....his bang aint worth his buck now....tome to get younger and better

Kramdi isnt good...Just cause Osh says so..so some scribes here write his thoughts dont make it so.....Kramdi wouldnt start anywhere in the league at SAM....BUT saying that to you is pointless as Osh is the man....well in your eyes...you either are related...are him...or he's sleeping with you....which is it? 

46 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I completely agree. Not sure what the thinking on that is at all. We need to get rid of guys that are not performing and old not young and excelling. Same goes for a very reasonably priced Redha Kramdi. He is a bargain right now. Booch hasn't liked either guy since day one, and refuses to admit both guys have turned into pretty darn good players....but MOS is the biased one...lol.

Kramdinat north of 145K is a bargain for what you get?....man I used to think you had decent foorball knowledge

[sweep the leg]

Speaking of extra blockers, there’s a decent TE (Rohan Jones) in this draft who might be worth looking at. I’d rather use a guy who can potentially make a play than adding additional olineman.

[Pete]

31 minutes ago, Booch said:

 

 

no he \(holms) wasnt.....he was decent but not irreplaceable...especially at 140k...yeah he got a nod for all-star.....but he wasnt our best db by any stretch

We would be just fine replacing him and be no worse for wear...and save a pile of cash...and become a more physical group....one that can tackle effectively...consistently

thankyou but I saw enough of Bridges, Bonds and even Lawson jt last year to not want to lose any of Allen, Nichols, and Holm. I'd also keep Houston.

[wbbfan]

28 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Speaking of extra blockers, there’s a decent TE (Rohan Jones) in this draft who might be worth looking at. I’d rather use a guy who can potentially make a play than adding additional olineman.

Is that a shot at tui downfield eli???! lol

I fully believe that a team that invested in talented big athletic Te(s) and 11/12/22 formation would be at a massive advantage. Especially with a fast qb who can run. 

[Bigblue204]

34 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Speaking of extra blockers, there’s a decent TE (Rohan Jones) in this draft who might be worth looking at. I’d rather use a guy who can potentially make a play than adding additional olineman.

GIVE ME T-WING AND OR DOUBLE WING OFFENCE!! True Bully ball. AND we don't need over spend on WRs (Well we still could, but would only need like 5 on the roster lol)....can over pay to get big time Defensive players in here!

29 minutes ago, Pete said:

thankyou but I saw enough of Bridges, Bonds and even Lawson jt last year to not want to lose any of Allen, Nichols, and Holm. I'd also keep Houston.

I'd bring Lawson back, he was just starting to find his game near the end of the year. I wouldn't necessarily want him starting, maybe at field side. But his play improved as the year went on.

[wbbfan]

56 minutes ago, Booch said:

need to have back guys as DB/cover LB guys....Nichols..Allen...Griffin...Woodbey......If cash allows....Holm......the rst of the crew....see ya later and thanks for the memories

 

He grew on me a bit last yr....but this yr was not great....and lacks physicalityin a bug way....his bang aint worth his buck now....tome to get younger and better

Kramdi isnt good...Just cause Osh says so..so some scribes here write his thoughts dont make it so.....Kramdi wouldnt start anywhere in the league at SAM....BUT saying that to you is pointless as Osh is the man....well in your eyes...you either are related...are him...or he's sleeping with you....which is it? 

Kramdinat north of 145K is a bargain for what you get?....man I used to think you had decent foorball knowledge

dequoy is 5-10k more and waaay better. Even pickett is comparable to dequoy. When you look at the dbs making 140-160k, you expect premier players at that position. Not a guy like kramdi. 

 His over pay isn’t any where near as bad as wj, or ford or a bunch of guys around the league. The problem is really we got 3 dbs making that kind of money and 1 guy who is at that level. 

[Bigblue204]

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[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

I fully understand that it might be time for Jake... (Tho I believe the issue is more how much he was used, but he may have to be moved on from entirely in order to keep him off the field too much.. similar to Bighill last year...)

Paddy and Stan... I'm not sure what they have left in the tank but I trust the OL coaches to know best. Koala... They clearly see something we don't. But it sure seems to me like we can do better there. But again, I have to trust the OL coaches. Costello knows more than us. 

I feel like we can PROBABLY do better than Tony Jones but I think they're pretty committed to him unless they magically find a superstar a la Bighill in 2017 (??) to step in right away that's clearly an upgrade. 

Kyrie had a fairly productive season and managed to stay healthy.... But can we upgrade at that spot? 

Schoen and Strev... It might be time to cut ties. Love em both but those knees can't be trusted. 

Other than that, I'm not sure what really jumps out at me that we NEED to move on from. 

Can I talk with you out back?

[SpeedFlex27]

36 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

GIVE ME T-WING AND OR DOUBLE WING OFFENCE!! True Bully ball. AND we don't need over spend on WRs (Well we still could, but would only need like 5 on the roster lol)....can over pay to get big time Defensive players in here!

I'd bring Lawson back, he was just starting to find his game near the end of the year. I wouldn't necessarily want him starting, maybe at field side. But his play improved as the year went on.

So, along with your qb & five offensive linemen, the Double Wing has two running backs, wingback, tight end & two receivers. Yeah, that was a progressive offense. I'm sure Frankie Filchock & the rest of his 1949 Grey Cup champ Alouettes were all in on that.