3 stars plus hh not dead yet

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, CodyT said:

You only rest the guys if Calgary wins today... I've slept on it and the home advantage is a real one and might be a deciding factor against BC

 

Honestly either way though I'd be playing your starters to try and build some confidence going into post season 

The idea of us taking a game off gives me a sick feeling. 

If we can’t improve our standing in the last game i’m sure we do sit guys. It’d be best if we treated it like a second pre season game. Start the 1s, play them between a couple drives and just under a half. This offence is not running well enough to shut it down for a week, we need to get things going in a better direction and those snaps are valuable. 

 

[3rdand1.5]

Did a player/players say something to the media after the game about Hogan or is all conjecture?

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

The idea of us taking a game off gives me a sick feeling. 

If we can’t improve our standing in the last game i’m sure we do sit guys. It’d be best if we treated it like a second pre season game. Start the 1s, play them between a couple drives and just under a half. This offence is not running well enough to shut it down for a week, we need to get things going in a better direction and those snaps are valuable. 

 

I didn't listen to the post game presser but would it be fair and reasonable for our Head Coach to break out of his protective mode and challenge our players and communicate to the world outside the locker-room that currently this team is pretty average, not a very good team in what our expectations are as an organization and we need to get better real quick if we're going to make any noise in the post season?  I'm all for keeping certain things in-house where tough love is only seen behind the scenes while only generic things are said to the media but maybe tweak that a bit to light a fire, a sense of urgency, pride whatever?

[wbbfan]

11 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

Did a player/players say something to the media after the game about Hogan or is all conjecture?

sounds to me like they are saying it to the press but it’s not in interviews etc.

7 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I didn't listen to the post game presser but would it be fair and reasonable for our Head Coach to break out of his protective mode and challenge our players and communicate to the world outside the locker-room that currently this team is pretty average, not a very good team in what our expectations are as an organization and we need to get better real quick if we're going to make any noise in the post season?  I'm all for keeping certain things in-house where tough love is only seen behind the scenes while only generic things are said to the media but maybe tweak that a bit to light a fire, a sense of urgency, pride whatever?

I mean it has happened many times in sports. Even earlier this year hogan was throwing the players under the bus to defend his play call. 

 Mos very seldom does that kind of thing. He did toss some shade at strevy earlier this year but he’s stayed married to him all the same. 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

sounds to me like they are saying it to the press but it’s not in interviews etc.

I mean it has happened many times in sports. Even earlier this year hogan was throwing the players under the bus to defend his play call. 

 Mos very seldom does that kind of thing. He did toss some shade at strevy earlier this year but he’s stayed married to him all the same. 

The ole 'players aren't executing versus the coach aint doing **** to help' debate.

[Booch]

There is some dissention on several levels....I alluded to it earlier cause yeah...besides what Mr Know it all claims I talk to and work with players and that's what I hear.

Interesting some is kinda bubbling out now and some media guys are now hip to it...tells me its obviously getting to a boiling point to some degree 

And some is carry over from last yr too

We are a hot mess and its self inflicted....

[Pete]

What is very disturbing about Hogan is that he continues to playcall as if we had the offensive line of years gone bye.

You can continue to blame the execution but if you are asking players to execute beyond their capability its just delusional.

Either change up the players or call different plays.

Our pass routes are unimaginative and perform poorly for example instead of sending everyone long and having Zac underthrow them how about having one or two break back towards the qb to help him out? Its frustrating to watch. 

Every game including the last 2 grey cups, whenever the opposing team seems to stop the run, we all but abandon it and Zac is overwhelmed you d think wed have a gameplan to counter this by now 

Edited 6 hours ago by Pete

[Super Duper Negatron]

None of this is a secret. Brady was in the media in like week 4 complaining about the coaching.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, MrFreakzilla said:

I'd start Wilson and let him play the entire game.

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For what purpose? 3rd string ain't gonna play in the playoffs anyway. 

[Super Duper Negatron]

I think the third quarter stats are the most damning evidence against Hogan. Lack of talent and execution is one thing, but getting consistently out adjusted out of the locker room to that degree is all on the coaching staff.

[Noeller]

It's definitely just Hamilton's opinion based on what he's seeing happen on the sidelines and no actual quotes.... But still.... It makes you wonder. I just don't think any of us will ever know for sure... But at this point in the season, if they're having a disconnect between the players and OC.... That's insane.

[Booch]

35 minutes ago, Pete said:

What is very disturbing about Hogan is that he continues to playcall as if we had the offensive line of years gone bye.

You can continue to blame the execution but if you are asking players to execute beyond their capability its just delusional.

Either change up the players or call different plays.

Our pass routes are unimaginative and perform poorly for example instead of sending everyone long and having Zac underthrow them how about having one or two break back towards the qb to help him out? Its frustrating to watch. 

Every game including the last 2 grey cups, whenever the opposing team seems to stop the run, we all but abandon it and Zac is overwhelmed you d think wed have a gameplan to counter this by now 

He doesn't know how to scheme a game with a weak...or undersized line..there is multiple ways and its quite easy but he just doesn't have the chops...and his reciever routes and scheme doesn't even allow for any chance for a blitz beater or short quick hitters...to help out his qb and oline...all slow developing or clustered with guys all on same level...and worst of all so predictable...nothing works off or plays off anything...no rhyme or reason to his gameplan and its not a shock that more times than not it seems like we forcing stuff into double...triple coverage...teams eat our lunch every game like they stole his playcard

That pick before the half..essentially blanketed 2 low..2 over top...I called that pick as soon as recievers broke l.o.s and u could already see sask converge to that spot...easy pickens

But I also don't think line is as bad as many think...other than at center...but that's all on Osh and his man love.

 

[rebusrankin]

Zach was diplomatic but clearly unhappy with both the team's execution and the play calling on the post game. Brady on OB didn't come out and say Hogan's playcalling is awful and they should can him but he was clearly not happy.

Yes, this is inferring on my part. Hamilton clearly hears things we don't. Those expecting to actually hear any player on this team flat out say the OC is terrible, the scheme is terrible and that the players are unhappy are going to be waiting till Hell freezes over. However clearly all is not right at PAS.

[HardCoreBlue]

34 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

For what purpose? 3rd string ain't gonna play in the playoffs anyway. 

Barring injury of course.

[bigg jay]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

yep, also said more visible frustration on play calls from zach and others than he’s seen with any other oc here. 

The play call has also been brutally slow coming in. We barely get set with enough time for cadence and snap 

Nice glasses though.

[Noeller]

Y'know, I just typed out a whole thing about how I listened to the CJOB post game and at no point did Zach or Brady say anything bad about coaching....

....and then I stopped and thought about it. And y'know what...? Maybe they did actually. In the moment it sounded to me like they were taking personal responsibility for the offense being ****.... But actually what they were saying was "the offense was terrible. The D and ST were great and we have to be better on offense"

Now, Zach did call himself out personally... Said that he needed to be better and that he thought his own play was bad. But... Now that I think about it, it is possible they were throwing the offense, as a whole, under the bus....

Edited 5 hours ago by Noeller

[17to85]

30 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Barring injury of course.

Well precedence is set that even injury isn't enough to pull players.

24 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Nice glasses though.

Well played sir. Well played.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Well precedence is set that even injury isn't enough to pull players.

Well played sir. Well played.

Yup you're right I should have qualified it by saying barring injury that forces the player out of course.

[MrFreakzilla]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

For what purpose? 3rd string ain't gonna play in the playoffs anyway. 

To see if he can play.

What's the purpose of playing Zach or Chris? So Collaros can get injured or Streveler can complete less than 3 passes?

[Tracker]

34 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Zach was diplomatic but clearly unhappy with both the team's execution and the play calling on the post game. Brady on OB didn't come out and say Hogan's playcalling is awful and they should can him but he was clearly not happy.

Yes, this is inferring on my part. Hamilton clearly hears things we don't. Those expecting to actually hear any player on this team flat out say the OC is terrible, the scheme is terrible and that the players are unhappy are going to be waiting till Hell freezes over. However clearly all is not right at PAS.

If a poor offensive coordinator or any other coach is allowed to continue without correction or removal, that has to undermine confidence in the head coach if not the whole organization. Moreover, if underperforming players are not replaced or corrected, I believe that creates dissent in the locker room as well as trust in the coaches and management. A recipe for what we have been seeing for the past three years: a team in a death spiral. 

1 minute ago, MrFreakzilla said:

To see if he can play.

What's the purpose of playing Zach or Chris? So Collaros can get injured or Streveler can complete less than 3 passes?

Collaros WAS injured, dammit. 

[MrFreakzilla]

3 minutes ago, Tracker said:

If a poor offensive coordinator or any other coach is allowed to continue without correction or removal, that has to undermine confidence in the head coach if not the whole organization. Moreover, if underperforming players are not replaced or corrected, I believe that creates dissent in the locker room as well as trust in the coaches and management. A recipe for what we have been seeing for the past three years: a team in a death spiral. 

Collaros WAS injured, dammit. 

How many times has he been injured/missed games this season? Odds are he'll get hurt again.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, MrFreakzilla said:

To see if he can play.

What's the purpose of playing Zach or Chris? So Collaros can get injured or Streveler can complete less than 3 passes?

Yup, I'm completely with you on this. If the motto is make sure certain starters are not hurt before the playoffs, play him. It's the perfect time to see what he's got, not only for the playoffs in case he's forced into play, but for the future. Like a mini try-out.

But I also read from some around here that they believe he doesn't have the necessary tools to play as a starter in this league. Let's say that's true and the BB's also think that way then to me that's even more frustrating and suggests that someone in the coaching/management/scouting department needs to step up their game.

[Tracker]

23 minutes ago, MrFreakzilla said:

How many times has he been injured/missed games this season? Odds are he'll get hurt again.

It's not just the increasing liklihood of athletes getting injured as they age, but recovery times lengthen as well. 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, MrFreakzilla said:

To see if he can play.

What's the purpose of playing Zach or Chris? So Collaros can get injured or Streveler can complete less than 3 passes?

For what? Collaros is the #1 and Streveler is the #2. They will be the guys to play in the playoffs they should get the snaps. Determine if Wilson can play in training camp next season.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

For what? Collaros is the #1 and Streveler is the #2. They will be the guys to play in the playoffs they should get the snaps. Determine if Wilson can play in training camp next season.

Okay I'll meet you half way. Sit ZC, play CS a half and TW a half.