Bombers at TiCats early chat

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

The depressing Strev stats for me are:

He is 9/17 on passes more than 20 yards in the air and his total yardage on those plays is... 198. 5 of them are TDs so they won't count some yardage, but that is the lowest average of yards per pass at that depth in the league... Collaros has 20 completions on passes that distance for 742 yards which is about 37 yards per completion!

Collaros also has 6 runs of 10+ yards to Strevelers 1.

He also is the only QB in the league who has multiple interceptions in the red zone. His INT percentage when he gets within the 20 is 28.5%. The next two closest are Masoli at 11% and Crum at 6.7%

Eh I mean that is depressing, but that is also a large product of the system he's been played in. We run the check down install from matt nichols days aside from option fake option and qb fake junk. 

Haha! I'm not surprised that the run stat is in zachs favor, but by that much is just funny. Crazy legs collaros been watching those old mike vick highlights. 

 

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[blue85gold]

7 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

 

 

Thanks for posting these! Appreciate not having to look them up elsewhere.

[Booch]

Good opportunity with Wilson and Weitz questionable....give em that extra week and roster Jones and Bailey....no?...

[WinnipegGordo]

 

 

[17to85]

18 minutes ago, Booch said:

Good opportunity with Wilson and Weitz questionable....give em that extra week and roster Jones and Bailey....no?...

Oh my no, there's surely some ham and egger to roster instead 

[rebusrankin]

26 minutes ago, Booch said:

Good opportunity with Wilson and Weitz questionable....give em that extra week and roster Jones and Bailey....no?...

I'd rather they give time to Smith and Shay.

[rebusrankin]

Zach is out for the game.

[Booch]

27 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

I'd rather they give time to Smith and Shay.

well They already on roster, but yes I agree with that

[bigg jay]

58 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Oh my no, there's surely some ham and egger to roster instead 

Damien Jackson's ears just perked up.

 

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Oh my no, there's surely some ham and egger to roster instead 

probably go canadian vet lol. might be ayers taking reps while J jones sits on the bench. we might go full time db wil pack and only roll with 1 lber. Hamilton is not much of a running threat. 

Makonzo has practiced every day for what 2 weeks? still out. Still stuck on 1 game. wonder if he’s recovering ok, struggling to get his cardio or just stuck on the bench. 

Could be an interesting roster with the depth of guys banged up. But i don’t expect much, even if we roster guys like bailey they probably won’t play. 

 

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

probably go canadian vet lol. might be ayers taking reps while J jones sits on the bench. we might go full time db wil pack and only roll with 1 lber. Hamilton is not much of a running threat. 

Makonzo has practiced every day for what 2 weeks? still out. Still stuck on 1 game. wonder if he’s recovering ok, struggling to get his cardio or just stuck on the bench. 

Could be an interesting roster with the depth of guys banged up. But i don’t expect much, even if we roster guys like bailey they probably won’t play. 

 

he not an Osh holdover/refugee...so my guess stuck behind osh's hero's

Be perfect game to let Smith/Shay share reps at wil....J.Jones and T.jone's tag team the niddle...Let Person and Bailey get equal reps with WJ and Vaughters...see What Echols has

Run with 2 import DT's....If that means dropping Aters...so be it...Woodbey has surpassed him with defensive reps anyway

[17to85]

4 hours ago, wbbfan said:

We run the check down install from matt nichols days aside from option fake option and qb fake junk. 

Hogan is basically "we've got lapo at home "

[wbbfan]

58 minutes ago, Booch said:

he not an Osh holdover/refugee...so my guess stuck behind osh's hero's

Be perfect game to let Smith/Shay share reps at wil....J.Jones and T.jone's tag team the niddle...Let Person and Bailey get equal reps with WJ and Vaughters...see What Echols has

Run with 2 import DT's....If that means dropping Aters...so be it...Woodbey has surpassed him with defensive reps anyway

We’d hammer hammy if we did that. 

[Booch]

43 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

We’d hammer hammy if we did that. 

Prob be several over .500 currently if we did it..

[BigBlueFanatic]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

he not an Osh holdover/refugee...so my guess stuck behind osh's hero's

Be perfect game to let Smith/Shay share reps at wil....J.Jones and T.jone's tag team the niddle...Let Person and Bailey get equal reps with WJ and Vaughters...see What Echols has

Run with 2 import DT's....If that means dropping Aters...so be it...Woodbey has surpassed him with defensive reps anyway

 

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

We’d hammer hammy if we did that. 

 

2 hours ago, Booch said:

Prob be several over .500 currently if we did it..

Well we haven’t, we don’t, and probably won’t…

[SpeedFlex27]

20 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Eh I mean that is depressing, but that is also a large product of the system he's been played in. We run the check down install from matt nichols days aside from option fake option and qb fake junk. 

Haha! I'm not surprised that the run stat is in zachs favor, but by that much is just funny. Crazy legs collaros been watching those old mike vick highlights. 

 

I don' think Collaros is asbad as some are saying. Look how terrible our Ol has become. They've virtually withered up & died the past 3 years.

We've gone from having the best OL to the worst. All we seem to do is draft & develop for other teams. We've let Michael Couture, Drew Desjarlais, Liam Dobson go to free agency & lost them all. We never look to improve or spend the money on keeping our players after their rookie contracts expire. So, who do we have playing? Kolo, who is the absolute worst starting center in the CFL, a fading Pat Neufeld at Guard, an over the hill 39 year old Stanley Bryant at LT.

This seems to be a pattern with our GM. Draft & sign players to cheap rookie deals. Develop them for 3 years & play them. Then just as they're blossoming, refuse to pay them what they're worth & watch them sign elsewhere. While our GM Walters just shrugs his shoulders while saying buh bye. In the past 2 or 3 seasons ,it seems that more than just a few free agents can't wait leave here fast enough. Which is strange for a team we've been told has a head coach every player in the CFL wants to play for. 

The team allowed the OL to regress the past 3 years which makes no sense. Why pay your huge starter big bucks to Collaros with a history of concusions so much $$$ then cheap out on the OL? Basically become negligent in protecting Collaros & Streveler? The way the team is run & the decisions being made are just baffling. Protecting Zach should be Job 1, No qb can survive not getting injured or playing well if the pass pro sucks which it now does. 

Edited 1 hour ago by SpeedFlex27

[wbbfan]

7 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I don' think Collaros is asbad as some are saying. Look how terrible our Ol has become. They've virtually withered up & died the past 3 years.

We've gone from having the best OL to the worst. All we seem to do is draft & develop for other teams. We've let Michael Couture, Drew Desjarlais, Liam Dobson go to free agency & lost them all. We never look to improve or spend the money on keeping our players after their rookie contracts expire. So, who do we have playing? Kolo, who is the absolute worst starting center in the CFL, a fading Pat Neufeld at Guard, an over the hill 39 year old Stanley Bryant at LT.

This seems to be a pattern with our GM. Draft & sign players to cheap rookie deals for 3 years & play them. Then just as they're developing, refuse to pay them what thry're worth & watch them sign elsewhere while Waliers just shrugs his shoulders saying buh bye. It seems that more than just a few  players can't leave here fast enough which is strange for a team we've been told has a head coach every player in the CFL wants to play for. 

The team allowed the OL to regress at OL the past 3 years which makes no sense. Why pay your starter big bucks with a history of concusions so much $$$ then cheap out on thee OL? Basically become negligent in protecting Collaros & Streveler? The way the team is run & the decisions being made are just baffling. Protecting Zach should be Job 1, No qb can survive not getting injured or playing well if the pass pro sucks which it now does. 

The ol has hastened Zachs down fall. But if you look at his good games the last two years, he needs to practically run into a throw to get it 30-40 yards down field and it will still end up well short. He can't get the ball out quickly or cleanly either. And if you look at his play off stats here, he had 1 good game and a whole lot of bad games. 

[Booch]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

The ol has hastened Zachs down fall. But if you look at his good games the last two years, he needs to practically run into a throw to get it 30-40 yards down field and it will still end up well short. He can't get the ball out quickly or cleanly either. And if you look at his play off stats here, he had 1 good game and a whole lot of bad games. 

definitely noticed he has to take a bit of a run and almost heave it with all his might to get it downfield....Almost looks like the Faj and how he does similar

Where I really have noticed it is on his outs our deeper sideline passes to far side of field...awkward looking now to make those and it's cause he really needs to body English the heck out of it to get it there....

Of he wants to continue his career and evolve a bit as an older passer...he should seriously look into going to some camps, or working with a lot of the coaching now that goes into the new way of teaching passers...

Relearn how to create a new base...hip motion and lower body twist to get ball out quick and with velocity

He now needs to learn or morph into basically lower body mechanics in his throws...His smarts and experience and if he able to retrain his muscle memory...could squeeze out several more yrs

[SpeedFlex27]

8 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

The ol has hastened Zachs down fall. But if you look at his good games the last two years, he needs to practically run into a throw to get it 30-40 yards down field and it will still end up well short. He can't get the ball out quickly or cleanly either. And if you look at his play off stats here, he had 1 good game and a whole lot of bad games. 

Not disagreeing. Just saying that no qb could play well behind the OL we have now. It was allowed to happen. 

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

definitely noticed he has to take a bit of a run and almost heave it with all his might to get it downfield....Almost looks like the Faj and how he does similar

Where I really have noticed it is on his outs our deeper sideline passes to far side of field...awkward looking now to make those and it's cause he really needs to body English the heck out of it to get it there....

Of he wants to continue his career and evolve a bit as an older passer...he should seriously look into going to some camps, or working with a lot of the coaching now that goes into the new way of teaching passers...

Relearn how to create a new base...hip motion and lower body twist to get ball out quick and with velocity

He now needs to learn or morph into basically lower body mechanics in his throws...His smarts and experience and if he able to retrain his muscle memory...could squeeze out several more yrs

One off season with a quality coach like the guy in Vancouver (qbmotion on Instagram) would probably do it. Trevor Harris, Nick Arbuckle & Nathan Rourke all work with the guy... 

[Atomic]

Artopoeus, Houston, Hallett ON

Collaros, Vanterpool, Kelly OFF

[ShyGuy]

2 wins in the last 5 games, both against a back up QB (and in the case of Montreal the back up QBs back up back up) and the Bombers decide to trot out the same old, tired DL that has failed to generate any meaningful pressure in over a month (only 3 sacks in those 5 games). Maybe those 9 LBers on the roster will help with that?

[Squeakers and Skippy]

I hear Strevller is starting. 

[Booch]

9 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

2 wins in the last 5 games, both against a back up QB (and in the case of Montreal the back up QBs back up back up) and the Bombers decide to trot out the same old, tired DL that has failed to generate any meaningful pressure in over a month (only 3 sacks in those 5 games). Maybe those 9 LBers on the roster will help with that?

well....When only 2 ....maaaaaybe 3 actually play...pretty hard for the other 7 to make any impact, let alone show they have potential and upside

[sweep the leg]

8 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

2 wins in the last 5 games, both against a back up QB (and in the case of Montreal the back up QBs back up back up) and the Bombers decide to trot out the same old, tired DL that has failed to generate any meaningful pressure in over a month (only 3 sacks in those 5 games). Maybe those 9 LBers on the roster will help with that?

Three close losses against the two best teams in the league and only one win against a backup. Brown started the game, we just broke him. We’re not good, but we’re not terrible either.