Banjo Bowl Early Chat

[johnzo]

people blame the lack of Brady carries on playcalling -- but in an RPO scheme the QB has the option to pull the ball and throw it.  Zach gets a vote too on how Brady's used, and given that Brady had beaten the Als pretty much singlehandedly the week before, the Saskatchewan DEs were opting to crash down on the run more often than not.

Zach put up some beaucoup yards and three TDs with his arm -- we almost beat them without our best player being much of a factor.  Sucks to lose, but we showed we had a passing attack even with our ragtag receiving corps and leaky pass protection, which is way more that what I expected.

[17to85]

Keep in mind the riders front 7 is good, but their secondary is the drizzling shits, so yeah Brady was never going to go off in the run game here. Teams know that you beat the Bombers by limiting the run game. 

[Atomic]

There's a Schoen interview in the Sun today which would be a little strange if he is injured again. Usually injured guys don't talk to the media. Obviously he isn't 100%, we all saw him pull up at the end of the game, but seems like he is "ok" to me.

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/blue-bombers-dalton-schoen-thrown-right-back-into-labour-day-fire?itm_source=index

[Atomic]

Tracker disagrees, everyone

[WinnipegGordo]

Tanner Schmekel was transferred to the 6 game injured list yesterday.

 

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

Tracker disagrees, everyone

Thanks! It's nice to be acknowledged.

[wbbfan]

5 hours ago, johnzo said:

people blame the lack of Brady carries on playcalling -- but in an RPO scheme the QB has the option to pull the ball and throw it.  Zach gets a vote too on how Brady's used, and given that Brady had beaten the Als pretty much singlehandedly the week before, the Saskatchewan DEs were opting to crash down on the run more often than not.

Zach put up some beaucoup yards and three TDs with his arm -- we almost beat them without our best player being much of a factor.  Sucks to lose, but we showed we had a passing attack even with our ragtag receiving corps and leaky pass protection, which is way more that what I expected.

we aren’t running that much rpo. suitor thinks every pa play is rpo, it isn’t. It’s pretty easy to identify when we do run rpo, because we aren’t very good at it. 

 watch zachs head/shoulders. if he’s looking at brady, he isn’t reading any one on the D. when we run rpo, you can see him stare down the key play on D. usually you would read the edge and bootleg based on his angle or pursuit. 

 For us, we’ve read sam/wil on medium short passes that are quick, and run what I call fake rpo. which is when you go to the huddle with a call change based on pre set alignment. Buck did a lot of this prior to last year to try and speed up getting the ball out. if the slot coverage (half,sam,wil) is too far off, zach throws a snag, hitch, screen etc. it’s a no signal check run from the snap. 

We used to try and do pin and pull rpos like that especially with strevy going back to lapo. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 hour ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Tanner Schmekel was transferred to the 6 game injured list yesterday.

 

That sucks. He was just starting to come into his own. 
 

I hope this means by unfortunate means their hand is forced into de-nationalizing the DT spot. 

[Booch]

22 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

we aren’t running that much rpo. suitor thinks every pa play is rpo, it isn’t. It’s pretty easy to identify when we do run rpo, because we aren’t very good at it. 

 watch zachs head/shoulders. if he’s looking at brady, he isn’t reading any one on the D. when we run rpo, you can see him stare down the key play on D. usually you would read the edge and bootleg based on his angle or pursuit. 

 For us, we’ve read sam/wil on medium short passes that are quick, and run what I call fake rpo. which is when you go to the huddle with a call change based on pre set alignment. Buck did a lot of this prior to last year to try and speed up getting the ball out. if the slot coverage (half,sam,wil) is too far off, zach throws a snag, hitch, screen etc. it’s a no signal check run from the snap. 

We used to try and do pin and pull rpos like that especially with strevy going back to lapo. 

yea we suck at RPO and ZC isnt an ideal guy for it anyway....not at this point in his career...maybe his hamilton days....lil bit in 2021...not now

We also avoid seam and crossers and blitz beaters like its the plague....inadequate OC part of that too....his play book is like a seasoned OC trying to hide his scheme in pre-season

3 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

That sucks. He was just starting to come into his own. 
 

I hope this means by unfortunate means their hand is forced into de-nationalizing the DT spot. 

well with our lack of usefull Cdn depth after our starters...and Ball likely out too....I can see Bailey finally getting on....Which is a plus.....an yeah too bad for Schmeck as he finally seemed to find his game as a nice depth piece....he actually is one of our quickest guys off snap believe it or not and finally figured out how to attack and puncture gaps...Him spelling off lawson would have been Ideal and all we needed as cdn DT's

With Schoen's issues....Hopefully we bring on Echols for him, and Pokey for Logan, as Echols is a good returner and can spell off Vaval...

And how Woodbey showed last game, and his versatility and used how they I guess figured Ayers could of been...but wasnt....Possibly dropping Ayers for Adams or woods...

Even tho Mitchell showed signs of life I wouldnt be oppose to dropping him and we roster both Woods and Adams and run with a Demski/Clercius/Pokey/Wheatfall/Echols unit

 

[captaincanuck12]

Forecast is pretty shitty for Saturday.  High of 15  only and overcast. 

[Bomberguy]

2 hours ago, captaincanuck12 said:

Forecast is pretty shitty for Saturday.  High of 15  only and overcast. 

That’s FOOTBALL 🏈 weather! 👍🏻

Edited 17 hours ago by Bomberguy

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

yea we suck at RPO and ZC isnt an ideal guy for it anyway....not at this point in his career...maybe his hamilton days....lil bit in 2021...not now

We also avoid seam and crossers and blitz beaters like its the plague....inadequate OC part of that too....his play book is like a seasoned OC trying to hide his scheme in pre-season

well with our lack of usefull Cdn depth after our starters...and Ball likely out too....I can see Bailey finally getting on....Which is a plus.....an yeah too bad for Schmeck as he finally seemed to find his game as a nice depth piece....he actually is one of our quickest guys off snap believe it or not and finally figured out how to attack and puncture gaps...Him spelling off lawson would have been Ideal and all we needed as cdn DT's

With Schoen's issues....Hopefully we bring on Echols for him, and Pokey for Logan, as Echols is a good returner and can spell off Vaval...

And how Woodbey showed last game, and his versatility and used how they I guess figured Ayers could of been...but wasnt....Possibly dropping Ayers for Adams or woods...

Even tho Mitchell showed signs of life I wouldnt be oppose to dropping him and we roster both Woods and Adams and run with a Demski/Clercius/Pokey/Wheatfall/Echols unit

 

on top of that, none of our guys have experience learning or working in an rpo system. buck and suck learned from lapo, who imitated from game film. but none of them has the experience to understand the nuance of how to read the target, how to disguise the act of reading and blend it with normal plays, or even the mechanics of pull to release. 

 at a pro level, rpo is really demanding. you have to recognize the slight difference in defender angles and exploit it quickly. 

There’s a great video on yt about peyton manning and how much work he put in to his mechanics on play action, stretch and other hand off techniques. Defences are better than ever at picking up cues from offense. 

It’s similar to how we never managed to evolve as a zone run, spread to run team beyond tight/izr. you go back to chip kellys years in oregon and soo many others and you see new wrinkles and evolution each year. 

[BomberBall.]

15 hours ago, Booch said:

yea we suck at RPO and ZC isnt an ideal guy for it anyway....not at this point in his career...maybe his hamilton days....lil bit in 2021...not now

We also avoid seam and crossers and blitz beaters like its the plague....inadequate OC part of that too....his play book is like a seasoned OC trying to hide his scheme in pre-season

well with our lack of usefull Cdn depth after our starters...and Ball likely out too....I can see Bailey finally getting on....Which is a plus.....an yeah too bad for Schmeck as he finally seemed to find his game as a nice depth piece....he actually is one of our quickest guys off snap believe it or not and finally figured out how to attack and puncture gaps...Him spelling off lawson would have been Ideal and all we needed as cdn DT's

With Schoen's issues....Hopefully we bring on Echols for him, and Pokey for Logan, as Echols is a good returner and can spell off Vaval...

And how Woodbey showed last game, and his versatility and used how they I guess figured Ayers could of been...but wasnt....Possibly dropping Ayers for Adams or woods...

Even tho Mitchell showed signs of life I wouldnt be oppose to dropping him and we roster both Woods and Adams and run with a Demski/Clercius/Pokey/Wheatfall/Echols unit

 

This….. This drives me absolutely bananas.

[wbbfan]

14 minutes ago, BomberBall. said:

This….. This drives me absolutely bananas.

Yep. For ages, other teams busted us on looks like that. Going back to ricky ray in edmonton. Vaughn used to cut us up any time we blitzed. 

It's funny, we are soo conservative with route concepts, trying to keep passes in safe, easy places that zach just takes shots on his own into worse postions any way. Imagine Demski on a slant at the seam behind the second level when a team blitzes us. He's hard to tackle for box players with a head of steam. Good luck to the halfs and S. 

[BomberBall.]

6 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yep. For ages, other teams busted us on looks like that. Going back to ricky ray in edmonton. Vaughn used to cut us up any time we blitzed. 

It's funny, we are soo conservative with route concepts, trying to keep passes in safe, easy places that zach just takes shots on his own into worse postions any way. Imagine Demski on a slant at the seam behind the second level when a team blitzes us. He's hard to tackle for box players with a head of steam. Good luck to the halfs and S. 

I can’t even express how much I agree with this…. And my wife and friends are probably pretty sick of hearing it.  Lol

[Blue In BC]

16 hours ago, Booch said:

yea we suck at RPO and ZC isnt an ideal guy for it anyway....not at this point in his career...maybe his hamilton days....lil bit in 2021...not now

We also avoid seam and crossers and blitz beaters like its the plague....inadequate OC part of that too....his play book is like a seasoned OC trying to hide his scheme in pre-season

well with our lack of usefull Cdn depth after our starters...and Ball likely out too....I can see Bailey finally getting on....Which is a plus.....an yeah too bad for Schmeck as he finally seemed to find his game as a nice depth piece....he actually is one of our quickest guys off snap believe it or not and finally figured out how to attack and puncture gaps...Him spelling off lawson would have been Ideal and all we needed as cdn DT's

With Schoen's issues....Hopefully we bring on Echols for him, and Pokey for Logan, as Echols is a good returner and can spell off Vaval...

And how Woodbey showed last game, and his versatility and used how they I guess figured Ayers could of been...but wasnt....Possibly dropping Ayers for Adams or woods...

Even tho Mitchell showed signs of life I wouldnt be oppose to dropping him and we roster both Woods and Adams and run with a Demski/Clercius/Pokey/Wheatfall/Echols unit

 

I was thinking they could take Logan off and use Mitchell as the returner. He has more experience at that than Echols and is already more in sync with the offence as depth.

I didn't think Woodbey would get many reps on defence but he was on the field immediately and didn't look out of place. He recorded 2 DT's and 1 ST compared to none for Ayers.  I'd like to keep on the AR but that may be difficult if we go back to an import DT. Of course the option is to take Ayers off, which would be my preference.

Getting Bailey on would be useful but it may depend on whether Hallett or Makonzo are healthy.

 

[blue85gold]

5 minutes ago, Blue In BC said:

I was thinking they could take Logan off and use Mitchell as the returner. He has more experience at that than Echols and is already more in sync with the offence as depth.

I didn't think Woodbey would get many reps on defence but he was on the field immediately and didn't look out of place. He recorded 2 DT's and 1 ST compared to none for Ayers.  I'd like to keep on the AR but that may be difficult if we go back to an import DT. Of course the option is to take Ayers off, which would be my preference.

Getting Bailey on would be useful but it may depend on whether Hallett or Makonzo are healthy.

 

It is really just silly to keep Ayers on if only plays STs. He looked good rotating on D last year, not sure why he gets no reps now. 

[Bigblue204]

23 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yep. For ages, other teams busted us on looks like that. Going back to ricky ray in edmonton. Vaughn used to cut us up any time we blitzed. 

It's funny, we are soo conservative with route concepts, trying to keep passes in safe, easy places that zach just takes shots on his own into worse postions any way. Imagine Demski on a slant at the seam behind the second level when a team blitzes us. He's hard to tackle for box players with a head of steam. Good luck to the halfs and S. 

That's what made the 17 to 85 connection so perfect. They new exactly how to attack a blitz without looking at each other.

[wbbfan]

Just now, Bigblue204 said:

That's what made the 17 to 85 connection so perfect. They new exactly how to attack a blitz without looking at each other.

Khari was soo damn good at getting the ball out quick on a rope, letting milt run under it. And yeah they played like they had a headset and mic to each other. Such a thing of beauty to watch. 

[bearpants]

16 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

It is really just silly to keep Ayers on if only plays STs. He looked good rotating on D last year, not sure why he gets no reps now. 

while I like Kyrie Wilson as a player, when healthy... this is exactly the reason why I did not like his resigning.... why couldn't Ayers and J Jones rotate through the defense instead?... and now we might have a good one in Woodbey... why are we wasting reps on a 32 year old LB when he have younger, cheaper, and likely better options...

[Blue In BC]

34 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

It is really just silly to keep Ayers on if only plays STs. He looked good rotating on D last year, not sure why he gets no reps now. 

He's a favourite of O'Shea which is nuts IMO.  It doesn't seem that he'd be the next man up at any of the 3 starting LB positions if we have an injury. I liked what I saw from Woodbey in his 1st game. J.Jones seems to have fallen off the radar though.

If Kramdi or Makonzo are able to play this week, that gives our starter or depth back at SAM. Woodbey played due to that need with Griffin moving to SAM.  I'd keep Woodbey on the AR for at least another week, but that would be at the cost of Ayers.

I see we've re-signed Kornelson which suggests we're sticking with an all Canadian DT interior. Also signed global LB Oyelola after a few years in the NFL. Not sure why we did that unless we're getting rid of Weitz.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Blue In BC

[17to85]

35 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

 17 to 85  so perfect. 

Aww thanks.

[BomberBall.]

29 minutes ago, Blue In BC said:

He's a favourite of O'Shea which is nuts IMO.  It doesn't seem that he'd be the next man up at any of the 3 starting LB positions if we have an injury. I liked what I saw from Woodbey in his 1st game. J.Jones seems to have fallen off the radar though.

If Kramdi or Makonzo are able to play this week, that gives our starter or depth back at SAM. Woodbey played due to that need with Griffin moving to SAM.  I'd keep Woodbey on the AR for at least another week, but that would be at the cost of Ayers.

I see we've re-signed Kornelson which suggests we're sticking with an all Canadian DT interior. Also signed global LB Oyelola after a few years in the NFL. Not sure why we did that unless we're getting rid of Weitz.

 

I knew Korny would be back the second Schmeck went down.  Insane.  At least one of Woods or Adams will sit so we can trot out an inferior D line interior… For no good reason.

[wbbfan]

34 minutes ago, bearpants said:

while I like Kyrie Wilson as a player, when healthy... this is exactly the reason why I did not like his resigning.... why couldn't Ayers and J Jones rotate through the defense instead?... and now we might have a good one in Woodbey... why are we wasting reps on a 32 year old LB when he have younger, cheaper, and likely better options...

it’s talent kyrie almost 2/3 of the season to get to a good game. he might be great the rest of the year if he stays healthy. but we  could have the same level of play by now from one of the young guys with a future. It’s just wild. 

 

32 minutes ago, Blue In BC said:

He's a favourite of O'Shea which is nuts IMO.  It doesn't seem that he'd be the next man up at any of the 3 starting LB positions if we have an injury. I liked what I saw from Woodbey in his 1st game. J.Jones seems to have fallen off the radar though.

If Kramdi or Makonzo are able to play this week, that gives our starter or depth back at SAM. Woodbey played due to that need with Griffin moving to SAM.  I'd keep Woodbey on the AR for at least another week, but that would be at the cost of Ayers.

I see we've re-signed Kornelson which suggests we're sticking with an all Canadian DT interior. Also signed global LB Oyelola after a few years in the NFL. Not sure why we did that unless we're getting rid of Weitz.

 

ugh kornelson back is bad news bears. bet one of woods/adams gets walking papers soon. 

I like oyelola, super athletic with plenty of raw talent. much better than weitz. but watch us cut bailey instead. 

[WinnipegGordo]