Winnipeg Blue Bombers @ Saskatchewan Roughriders GDT

[JuranBoldenRules]

Man I hope Terry Wilson cashes in on the hype before he has to take any real reps.

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

All of that is part of football. This was a winnable game in spite of all the mistakes. And there was still a chance at the end, if the whistle gets blown when it should. ZC was under siege all night and was nothing short of heroic.

Yeah the real difference on points ends up being the exchange on the QB fumbles.  They punch it in.  We kick a FG.  

We also missed a 49 yard FG which is basically routine at this point.  

People are very negative but the way both teams played very undisciplined in that game it was basically a coin flip.

Both OL's were pretty terrible.  Sask was far more committed to the run, especially once they saw how Harris was moving.

[JuranBoldenRules]

3 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

So the Oline, do we see something like Vanterpool for Wallace on Saturday? If Kramdi is back, he'd help balance the ratio and Vanterpool could replace Woodby. I mean, we need a Kolo upgrade but I'm not holding my breath. Heck, Logan hasn't offered much but no idea who you replace him with.

Why not just put Vanterpool on for Logan?  What does Logan bring to the table if we can't block anything anyway?  OL is so fundamental to doing anything consistently on O.  Build that out first then fit the skill guys around it.  **** if you need 4 imports, you need 4 imports.

Do Peterson for Cobb.  Cobb never even set foot on the field.

Can do a lot of things on D to get another DB on.  Personally don't think Vaval should start and return too.  Other guy they could get on is Echols who is very capable returner and receiver.  I'm sure Echols would be fine to gun on punts and kickoffs too.

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

In fairness to Allen, I think we need to decide what we want as a fan base. I’ve been asking to let the talented young guys play. I’m not going to get upset at a guy like Allen for a wildly obvious beat as a young player, it comes with the territory. I’ll take that over the (as an example) approximately 376 times Bighill didn’t blow a tackle because he was three steps away from being able to make one. 
 

The one thing I would like to see from Cam Allen is for him to realize the difference between when he needs to hit and when he needs to tackle. I’ve been overall decently happy with him other than that, even with the blown coverage yesterday. 

I'd like to see Allen at the boundary corner.  Neither of Vaval or Lawson are good enough players to be anywhere but field corner.  Lawson has been getting better, Vaval really still figuring out what offenses are trying to do.  Like that late 2nd down conversion to Johnson, Vaval is at the right depth to disrupt two routes, then he hammers down at Robustelli who is bracketed underneath and therefore not an option for the QB unless he's going to throw it right to us.  Him vacating to the dig opened up Johnson for easy pitch and catch first down.

Allen to me looks a lot more aware of route concepts and how the QB is trying to move him around.  That deep shot him and Nichols both got caught watching Harris eyes and stopping their feet while the receiver obviously took advantage running by them.

I think you could mold Kelly into a Ian Logan type safety.  He's not completely lost in man all the time but just teach him to stay on top of everything and come downhill.

[johnzo]

On 2025-08-31 at 7:13 PM, captaincanuck12 said:

I'm glad we didn't win

I would have preferred a win.

[Atomic]

4 hours ago, johnzo said:

I would have preferred a win.

I also would have preferred a win

[17to85]

Wins are definitely superior to losses.

[Mark H.]

Ah mean, the Labour Day loss is really gonna rattle some cages...😁

[Bubba Zanetti]

22 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Wins are definitely superior to losses.

Unless ofcourse youre in a most STD's or smallest wiener competition. In those cases losing would be preferable.

Edited 21 hours ago by Bubba Zanetti

[Tracker]

44 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Ah mean, the Labour Day loss is really gonna rattle some cages...😁

You ain't seen nuthin' yet.

[Booch]

so a BB loss for say...dumb decisions...poor prep...inadequate coaching leading up to game...and in game adjustments...questionable roster moves and playing a player or 2 thats clearly not healthy.....assume it's all good due to the "Yeah but's" and "not all just on the Coach(s)" ....again......so don't get alarmed or crotchety??

Asking for a friend(s)

[17to85]

18 minutes ago, Booch said:

so a BB loss for say...dumb decisions...poor prep...inadequate coaching leading up to game...and in game adjustments...questionable roster moves and playing a player or 2 thats clearly not healthy.....assume it's all good due to the "Yeah but's" and "not all just on the Coach(s)" ....again......so don't get alarmed or crotchety??

Asking for a friend(s)

Geeze you just really explained a lot of the important losses this team  has suffered the last few years...

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Geeze you just really explained a lot of the important losses this team  has suffered the last few years...

Imagine eh?....it's not like it requires a deep dive or anything, or some far fetched theory....it's pretty cut and dried

[Mark H.]

There are a number of teams...against whom we are overmatched in the trenches

Against some...they countered that by using Brady in different ways, and it worked

I understand why they wouldn't run him up the gut very much, but it confounds why he doesn't get 15 - 20 touches in other ways

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

There are a number of teams...against whom we are overmatched in the trenches

Against some...they countered that by using Brady in different ways, and it worked

I understand why they wouldn't run him up the gut very much, but it confounds why he doesn't get 15 - 20 touches in other ways

no team should continually run an RB up the gut...even the best of the best will fail more than not or get beat to a pupl when thats all you do...and especially with an inferior center

We have next to zero variation of runs, and do nothing to play off certain looks and plasy...and when have we seen the Strev package do anything other than a straight hand off...or he keeps and trues to run between center and tackle

No naked bootleg...him take off right away with RB in option position....or variations of any of that and him throw....pretty much....never

And people wonder why that package sucks...or claim Strev just doesnt have it...he's been set up to fail and teams know exactly whats coming...its pretty easy to defend only 2 variations off a Strev package

[Piggy 1]

2 hours ago, Mark H. said:

There are a number of teams...against whom we are overmatched in the trenches

Against some...they countered that by using Brady in different ways, and it worked

I understand why they wouldn't run him up the gut very much, but it confounds why he doesn't get 15 - 20 touches in other ways

See ,all the queries ,et al ,,,coaching. 

[Pete]

in the past OShea has let the players figure it out and when questioned about adjustments needed would simply say the player will figure it out, maybe its time to coach

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

no team should continually run an RB up the gut...even the best of the best will fail more than not or get beat to a pupl when thats all you do...and especially with an inferior center

We have next to zero variation of runs, and do nothing to play off certain looks and plasy...and when have we seen the Strev package do anything other than a straight hand off...or he keeps and trues to run between center and tackle

No naked bootleg...him take off right away with RB in option position....or variations of any of that and him throw....pretty much....never

And people wonder why that package sucks...or claim Strev just doesnt have it...he's been set up to fail and teams know exactly whats coming...its pretty easy to defend only 2 variations off a Strev package

yep i was just mentioning that in the other thread. 

 teams cue off our izr/tire scheme very quickly. occasionally we will throw out a heavy set and run some power scheme, or maybe 5 times a year throw some thing like a counter/ counter trap, or maybe a sweep. 

Inside zone, outside zone, and wide zone all work off each other and take advantage of defensive adjustments soo well. they crash inside you run wide zone to use the Ds aggressiveness to take inside leverage against them grab out side position and bust big gains. when they start chasing to the sidelines you run outside zone and let them get side line pursuit angles then cut back to a wall of blockers. 

 You can also use the jet motion for split zone, and run mid zone to exploit the D and break wide or tite zones with more multiple aiming points from the back in stretch or drive aiming and open cut back lanes. 

We have the back to add complexity to the run scheme and the ol coach. if we put vanterpool back in we have a much better ol to take advantage of. 

[Mark H.]

Playing the best possible OL, would a long way towards making this season respectable.

[voodoochylde]

8 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Playing the best possible OL, would a long way towards making this season respectable.

It's no coincidence that our offense looked best at the start of the year with:  Bryant - Vanterpool - Kolankowski - Neufeld - Randolph.

Every other combination they've tried has looked progressively worse.  Wallace, for all the raw tools he has, was exposed in a big way last game and it doesn't help that he's playing next to probably one of the weakest (if not weakest) center's in the league.  

[Booch]

19 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

It's no coincidence that our offense looked best at the start of the year with:  Bryant - Vanterpool - Kolankowski - Neufeld - Randolph.

Every other combination they've tried has looked progressively worse.  Wallace, for all the raw tools he has, was exposed in a big way last game and it doesn't help that he's playing next to probably one of the weakest (if not weakest) center's in the league.  

Think you meant  "The" 

[wbbfan]

14 minutes ago, Booch said:

Think you meant  "The" 

The worst starting centre I've seen at a d1 level or higher for probably 20 years. Then add in this year he has the yips on a good 5+ snaps agame. 

[Mark H.]

57 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

It's no coincidence that our offense looked best at the start of the year with:  Bryant - Vanterpool - Kolankowski - Neufeld - Randolph.

Every other combination they've tried has looked progressively worse.  Wallace, for all the raw tools he has, was exposed in a big way last game and it doesn't help that he's playing next to probably one of the weakest (if not weakest) center's in the league.  

Precisely. Now that real football is starting, I hope we see some changes. I mean, the OL was blowing people up early in the season.

[Booch]

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

The worst starting centre I've seen at a d1 level or higher for probably 20 years. Then add in this year he has the yips on a good 5+ snaps agame. 

His post snap awareness if not engaged right out of snap with a Nose or DT is shockingly bad...actually non-existence

I have never seen a center past H.S level be so lost, and coupled with that lack any real exceptional physical traits/techniques

Yet there he is...game in and game out...how/why we habnt done anything the last 2 yrs at minimum to upgrade there, or try pretty much anyone on our roster is baffling

But then again not surprising seeing how our coach leans on and thinks vets who been around this team a while, and ones he apparently has a bias/like for is the way to go until they either walk away, or get hurt so bad they cant play...cause we have also seen he will play a knicked up favorite and even an almost physically unable to do the job favorite over a new guy...hence the situ we have slowly degraded into

[17to85]

Worth noting as well we haven't won the big game since he's taken over as starting C. 

[Booch]

9 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Precisely. Now that real football is starting, I hope we see some changes. I mean, the OL was blowing people up early in the season.

real football starts in game 1.....those games we pissed away and did stupid stuff have more or less created a situation that even if we dont pretty much run the table we wont be getting first, and possibly not eve a home WSF game

This notion people like to yammer on about the season doesn't start until labor day is a pile of crap

If anything getting the jump on teams early, and creating space is the better course of action, then you don't have to rely on 6 to 8 game win streak to cement your spot...especially when later in the yr injuries pile up and a good portion of your roster isnt healthy anymore, but you are forced to play them anyway basically ensuring you have a whack of walking wounded when it matters most in playoffs...and we have first hand experience last 3 cups on how that's effected us....we had some who were not even walking basically

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Booch