Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[SpeedFlex27]

32 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Because Kyle walters didn't dress 3 injured receivers in a Grey cup game... walters gave oshea a backup NI who could play and signed cfl vets for the pr... Kyle walters didn't put collaros out Ina  grey cup game when he couldn't even grip a ball.... these are oshea roster issues that are independent of the gm. It's stuff like that which has garnered the target on O'Shea's back.

You can bet it'll continue as well

[rebusrankin]

3 hours ago, blue85gold said:

Who pissed in your cornflakes. 

How do you know he eats cornflakes? Is this a confession?

[Bigblue204]

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Fire means the Bombers owe him something. They'll just let his contract expire. 

Sure...if hes not an Argo. He'll be a Bomber. Is what I was getting at.

[SpeedFlex27]

Just now, Bigblue204 said:

Sure...if hes not an Argo. He'll be a Bomber. Is what I was getting at.

Gotcha.

[GCn20]

16 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

You can't really separate O'Shea and Walters if you're trying to play the blame game.

True. However, I am simply pointing out the pretty disproportionate amount of blame being assigned to each around here.

18 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

I think that you've got it wrong. In most pro sports organizations, the GM hires and fires the HC not the other way around. And most GMs have at least "two kicks at the can" (i.e., They get to hire two HCs before their neck is on the line.) IMO, it'll be O'Shea who will be gone, whether he's hired by the Argos or fired by Walters. Of course, Miller (with input for the BOD?) could fire both of them.

And I don't believe that after 10 years that is particularly applicable in this case.

[GCn20]

16 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Because Kyle walters didn't dress 3 injured receivers in a Grey cup game... walters gave oshea a backup NI who could play and signed cfl vets for the pr... Kyle walters didn't put collaros out Ina  grey cup game when he couldn't even grip a ball.... these are oshea roster issues that are independent of the gm. It's stuff like that which has garnered the target on O'Shea's back.

I'm not defending MOS, and I can give you a laundry list of poor GMing over the past 3 years as well but crickets about that. We don't play Dolegala in a Grey Cup and MOS is the worst coach ever, we lose an all star team of talent in two off seasons and it's all nothing to see here...carry on. It just seems over the top. Even have some posters suggesting that Walters did a great job but MOS ruined it which is insane.

MOS is likely going to Toronto so we don't need to worry about him coming back, but KW should be given the shoe as well,

Edited 3 hours ago by GCn20

[rebusrankin]

MOS and KW have both fallen short the past few years. I've said it multiple times and so have others.

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

MOS and KW have both fallen short the past few years. I've said it multiple times and so have others.

100%. It’s the split of blame, and who/if they can improve for next year. 

[Goalie]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

MOS and KW have both fallen short the past few years. I've said it multiple times and so have others.

Lots of people have blamed both Kyle and MOS. There’s just an obsession on here with MOS. If you talk to the non mbb.com average fan, everyone loves O’Shea. It’s like 10 hardcore fans out of 33000 that don’t. That’s reality it seems. Most ppl at the game I went to later in the year wanted him back. 1 out of the probably 50 I chatted with didn’t. Now that’s a pretty uninformal poll but it appears O’Shea is a wanted man around the league so must mean he’s done something right. And it’s not like he’s this young up and comer anymore. Dudes 55 so I  wonder how much longer he even wants to coach. Kyle appears to not be wanted. Hell Hamilton asked to speak to McManus. Let’s hope they take him. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Goalie

[Booch]

23 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Nope, my name's not Booch. It was discussed on Winnipeg Sports Talk by Andrew Paterson a couple weeks ago or so. He qualified it as something that he never heard directly from anyone in the organization but was making it's rounds amongst the media. Apparently he showed up to camp out of shape, and then wasn't happy about his playing time and let everyone know about it.  Don't have a date or a time, but it's on one of their podcasts if you care to dig deeper.

sorry that you cant grasp I have player relations outside the norm and you just act like a petulant child about it...and going off some "media" sound bite or speculation...is prob the lamest way to interpret "inside" the room or player thoughts...but just be you....Yiu the man and are never wrong....

 

20 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

I think that you've got it wrong. In most pro sports organizations, the GM hires and fires the HC not the other way around. And most GMs have at least "two kicks at the can" (i.e., They get to hire two HCs before their neck is on the line.) IMO, it'll be O'Shea who will be gone, whether he's hired by the Argos or fired by Walters. Of course, Miller (with input for the BOD?) could fire both of them.

correct....No G.M worth a used jock will want to walk into a organization where he is forced a staff upon him...85 to 95% of time a G.M is etained and a HC change occurs...less upheaval organization wise and easiest to correct....if the following yr same issues occur...then he is gone...If both arent canned it is usually always the HC...and or Co-Ords first...well in well ran organizations...and we can all agree we have become the benchmark in well ran....up until recent, but is it a HC issue...or overall?...the smart money says it's HC

18 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Fire means the Bombers owe him something. They'll just let his contract expire. 

and this is the time to move....if we re-up and he still coaches like a stubborn brain dead guy looking at 2019...then we just handcuff ourselves further into the wandering in the drakness on the hook for his salary and killing our coaching cap

18 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Because Kyle walters didn't dress 3 injured receivers in a Grey cup game... walters gave oshea a backup NI who could play and signed cfl vets for the pr... Kyle walters didn't put collaros out Ina  grey cup game when he couldn't even grip a ball.... these are oshea roster issues that are independent of the gm. It's stuff like that which has garnered the target on O'Shea's back.

you have to remember...GCn20 is either Osh's mom...Wife...whoever....but he will fall on the knife of Osh is da bomb and it;s everything and everyone elses fault...even tho Osh picks the roster...chooses who dresses and gets major reps, and refuses to use beneficial rules...chooses to play injured guys....uses excessive Canadians when not needed, and when they not better than an import...

18 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

You can't really separate O'Shea and Walters if you're trying to play the blame game.

well kinda...Walters has no say or input on the game day roster...plan....etc...basically anything really once camp breaks....and that's what you want....A meddling G.M is a disfunctional organization...That being said tho...should he have maybe had a few "discussions"?? hell ya, because Osh has basically driven the team right into the dirt

[Goalie]

My **** stinks much better than yours
My stinks right down to the floor
With a feeling so pure
It's got you coming back for more

 

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[17to85]

Look I love Mike oshea and everything he has done for this team.... but if you can't recognize that he has had roster construction and usage issues from the get go then I don't know what to tell you... it put him on the hot seat prior to winning in 2019! We've seen Kyle Walters be a very active and pragmatic GM before so I have a really hard time believing that he's just changed so much that he can't be that guy anymore. Maybe he's lost his fire too, but from my perspective it appears that Oshea has a hell of a lot of input and Walters is just giving Oshea what he wants.

[GCn20]

55 minutes ago, Booch said:

sorry that you cant grasp I have player relations outside the norm and you just act like a petulant child about it...and going off some "media" sound bite or speculation...is prob the lamest way to interpret "inside" the room or player thoughts...but just be you....Yiu the man and are never wrong....

 

correct....No G.M worth a used jock will want to walk into a organization where he is forced a staff upon him...85 to 95% of time a G.M is etained and a HC change occurs...less upheaval organization wise and easiest to correct....if the following yr same issues occur...then he is gone...If both arent canned it is usually always the HC...and or Co-Ords first...well in well ran organizations...and we can all agree we have become the benchmark in well ran....up until recent, but is it a HC issue...or overall?...the smart money says it's HC

and this is the time to move....if we re-up and he still coaches like a stubborn brain dead guy looking at 2019...then we just handcuff ourselves further into the wandering in the drakness on the hook for his salary and killing our coaching cap

you have to remember...GCn20 is either Osh's mom...Wife...whoever....but he will fall on the knife of Osh is da bomb and it;s everything and everyone elses fault...even tho Osh picks the roster...chooses who dresses and gets major reps, and refuses to use beneficial rules...chooses to play injured guys....uses excessive Canadians when not needed, and when they not better than an import...

well kinda...Walters has no say or input on the game day roster...plan....etc...basically anything really once camp breaks....and that's what you want....A meddling G.M is a disfunctional organization...That being said tho...should he have maybe had a few "discussions"?? hell ya, because Osh has basically driven the team right into the dirt

Sorry you are butt hurt that someone doesn't believe completely unsubstantiated rumors from an anonymous internet poster. I believe someone putting their actual name to something, and citing their sources, 100000x more than a guy who claims to have inside access but is wrong more often than he is right when he cites it. You have not given me, or any other person here, any reason to believe you with anything more than a "trust me bro". You might have these amazing connections to the team you brag about, but you just as easily might be full of ****. Both are likely, with based on the history of team forums, the latter being 100x more likely. You are an anonymous person on a fan forum claiming to have inside the locker room knowledge. If you think that I am alone on my skepticism over your claims you are mistaken. I am just a member willing to put my skepticism out there. Don't take it personal, it's just that you have provided nothing to back up your insider knowledge claims therefore we have to go off your accuracy level when citing it and it isn't great.

Edited 28 minutes ago by GCn20

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

100%. It’s the split of blame, and who/if they can improve for next year. 

OK that's fair. They are connected at the hip. Bottom line tho, if KW does his job he reigns in MOS. For all intents and purposes are criticisms of MOS are in one area, roster building. A good GM would have cracked the whip on that based on results and MOS's mistakes would not be happening over years. KW at the end of the day is his boss, like any employee MOS needs a boss to keep him on point not a boss who lets him do whatever he wants. 

33 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Look I love Mike oshea and everything he has done for this team.... but if you can't recognize that he has had roster construction and usage issues from the get go then I don't know what to tell you... it put him on the hot seat prior to winning in 2019! We've seen Kyle Walters be a very active and pragmatic GM before so I have a really hard time believing that he's just changed so much that he can't be that guy anymore. Maybe he's lost his fire too, but from my perspective it appears that Oshea has a hell of a lot of input and Walters is just giving Oshea what he wants.

If a boss allows an employee to do whatever they want and repeat mistakes are they a good boss? Do they deserve the benefit of the doubt even if it is the star employee? I would rather get rid of a bad boss than an employee who was given no direction.

[Goalie]

Perhaps it’s just time for both to move on. I’d guess Kyle stays if Osh leaves tho and we see a pretty drastically different off season. Head coach would be priority. I’d be ok with Lapolice honestly. I’d talk to a few others tho like Mueller in Sask and maybe even Younger but don’t see it honestly as he likely follows O’Shea. Maybe if speak to the Argos Mike miller also. Maybe even our Mike miller lol. But honestly. None of the potential head coaches here really wow me. Hamilton obviously talking about the gm position with O’Shea and Argos seemingly willing to give him total control which im not sure ends well.