First practice of the regular season is today. Out with the old and in with the new. Time to get it started.

 

10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We draft & develop for other teams. We don't spend the money. We keep veterans who should be cut or retired & let the good ones go. Epecially om the OL. It's been happening for years

You keep saying this but it's not really true.

I went back and looked at the draft history  since 2015 and we are above the league average when it comes to retaining our OL draft picks beyond their rookie deals.  I only looked at the first 2 rounds so the numbers could be better or worse overall but I was looking at the top rated OL (excluding guys who fell due to NFL interest).  It was surprising how few actually last past 3 years with their original team.  

• BC - 6 OL drafted, only one stayed past their rookie deal (Godber).
• EDM - 5 OL drafted, only one stayed past their rookie deal (Beard).
• CAL - 3 OL drafted and 2 have stayed past their rookie deal (Sceviour & Bell).  I was a bit surprised at how few high draft picks the Stamps have used on OL.
• SSK - 5 OL drafted, only one stayed past their rookie deal (Fry).
• WPG - 6 OL drafted, 3 stayed past their rookie deals (Chungh, Couture, Gray). Dobson, Desjarlais & Spooner are the ones who didn't play at least 4 seasons with us.
• HAM - 5 OL drafted & 2 have stayed beyond rookie deal (Revenberg & Woodmansey).
• TOR - 9 OL drafter with 5 staying past their rookie deal (McEwen, Sackey, Hunter, Richards, Nicastro).  They also still have Doxtater that they drafted in 2021 but he bounced around down south so he's only in year 2 with them.
• OTT - 7 OL drafted with 3 staying past their rookie deal (Mateas, Lauzon-Seguin, Pelehos).
• MTL - 6 drafted, only 1 has stayed past their rookie deal (Lestage).

22 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

You keep saying this but it's not really true.

I went back and looked at the draft history  since 2015 and we are above the league average when it comes to retaining our OL draft picks beyond their rookie deals.  I only looked at the first 2 rounds so the numbers could be better or worse overall but I was looking at the top rated OL (excluding guys who fell due to NFL interest).  It was surprising how few actually last past 3 years with their original team.  

• BC - 6 OL drafted, only one stayed past their rookie deal (Godber).
• EDM - 5 OL drafted, only one stayed past their rookie deal (Beard).
• CAL - 3 OL drafted and 2 have stayed past their rookie deal (Sceviour & Bell).  I was a bit surprised at how few high draft picks the Stamps have used on OL.
• SSK - 5 OL drafted, only one stayed past their rookie deal (Fry).
• WPG - 6 OL drafted, 3 stayed past their rookie deals (Chungh, Couture, Gray). Dobson, Desjarlais & Spooner are the ones who didn't play at least 4 seasons with us.
• HAM - 5 OL drafted & 2 have stayed beyond rookie deal (Revenberg & Woodmansey).
• TOR - 9 OL drafter with 5 staying past their rookie deal (McEwen, Sackey, Hunter, Richards, Nicastro).  They also still have Doxtater that they drafted in 2021 but he bounced around down south so he's only in year 2 with them.
• OTT - 7 OL drafted with 3 staying past their rookie deal (Mateas, Lauzon-Seguin, Pelehos).
• MTL - 6 drafted, only 1 has stayed past their rookie deal (Lestage).

Well there you have it, bigg jay for the win. Can't argue facts.

Kornelson cut this morning. 

I'm in the camp of the guys wanting changes to the O'line. There hasn't been any talk about Wallace because the kid is a keeper. I like the versatility that Eli brings, and IMO he's also a keeper. I also agree with the guys wanting to move on from Kola, and I suspect that young Vibert is here as a replacement. Sadly I think big Stan's career is coming to an end.

2 minutes ago, ddanger said:

I'm in the camp of the guys wanting changes to the O'line. There hasn't been any talk about Wallace because the kid is a keeper. I like the versatility that Eli brings, and IMO he's also a keeper. I also agree with the guys wanting to move on from Kola, and I suspect that young Vibert is here as a replacement. Sadly I think big Stan's career is coming to an end.

Unless you gonna go 3 Americans on the oline there really is nothing that can be done. That’s an off season gm thing. Guess when your gm takes the off season off, this is what happens but sure the lack of depth is on O’Shea. 

52 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Unless you gonna go 3 Americans on the oline there really is nothing that can be done. That’s an off season gm thing. Guess when your gm takes the off season off, this is what happens but sure the lack of depth is on O’Shea. 

They started the season with 3 American OL...

And again we go round and round... does the depth suck because of the GM or does the depth suck because of the way the coach uses the roster and practise roster? We have a brazzillion linebackers and dbs every game just to chase punts... why? We have 0 for receiver depth on an already weak group... why? 

53 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Unless you gonna go 3 Americans on the oline there really is nothing that can be done. That’s an off season gm thing. Guess when your gm takes the off season off, this is what happens but sure the lack of depth is on O’Shea. 

Kola needed to be addressed in the offseason. It is abundantly clear that the coaches have no faith in Eli at C.

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

They started the season with 3 American OL...

And again we go round and round... does the depth suck because of the GM or does the depth suck because of the way the coach uses the roster and practise roster? We have a brazzillion linebackers and dbs every game just to chase punts... why? We have 0 for receiver depth on an already weak group... why? 

Are we leaving quality receivers off the game day roster? There is your answer. That being said things will be looking up once Schoen is ready and Wilson inevitably returns.

Edited August 20, 2025Aug 20 by GCn20

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

They started the season with 3 American OL...

And again we go round and round... does the depth suck because of the GM or does the depth suck because of the way the coach uses the roster and practise roster? We have a brazzillion linebackers and dbs every game just to chase punts... why? We have 0 for receiver depth on an already weak group... why? 

can chase punts too....athletic dline guys as well....going 3 import olin here this yr just robbing Peter to pay Paul and the net gsin is miniscule if at all.....

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Kola needed to be addressed in the offseason. It is abundantly clear that the coaches have no faith in Eli at C.

I think it's more the value Eli brings to the Te and jumbo/short yardage package and the lack of faith in Kolo being the 6th oline guy and no ability at all to do what Eli does...hence by default he stays at center....cause nobody can say Eli doesnt excell at that role...a role of blocking and getting into the second level and taking guys out

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Are we leaving quality receivers off the game day roster? There is your answer. That being said things will be looking up once Schoen is ready and Wilson inevitably returns.

part of the poor roster issue and lack of keeping any around....We have Cobb...a guy with a couple yrs experience...scored a few TD's...averaged over 8 yrds a punt return...shade over 23 on kick offs...he being left off.....so explain that?...They seemed very happy to pick him up

Covered kicks in pre-season.....so his value is he backs up 2 positions...plays teams ..and is experienced....and Canadian...how does Thomas....Ball...Weitz...Korn...Corcorran...get on before him?.....has more real value than all those plugs combined

52 minutes ago, Booch said:

can chase punts too....athletic dline guys as well....going 3 import olin here this yr just robbing Peter to pay Paul and the net gsin is miniscule if at all.....

I think it's more the value Eli brings to the Te and jumbo/short yardage package and the lack of faith in Kolo being the 6th oline guy and no ability at all to do what Eli does...hence by default he stays at center....cause nobody can say Eli doesnt excell at that role...a role of blocking and getting into the second level and taking guys out

part of the poor roster issue and lack of keeping any around....We have Cobb...a guy with a couple yrs experience...scored a few TD's...averaged over 8 yrds a punt return...shade over 23 on kick offs...he being left off.....so explain that?...They seemed very happy to pick him up

Covered kicks in pre-season.....so his value is he backs up 2 positions...plays teams ..and is experienced....and Canadian...how does Thomas....Ball...Weitz...Korn...Corcorran...get on before him?.....has more real value than all those plugs combined

Cobb is a scrub. An argument could be made to roster him but really whether we dress him or not is a nothing burger. Sometimes you gotta look down the road a couple weeks too and see that he is more than likely going to be released soon.

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

Cobb is a scrub. An argument could be made to roster him but really whether we dress him or not is a nothing burger. Sometimes you gotta look down the road a couple weeks too and see that he is more than likely going to be released soon.

And hardly anything to worry about when you're getting nothing from too many American spots, particularly at receiver.

8 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

And hardly anything to worry about when you're getting nothing from too many American spots, particularly at receiver.

Honestly we spend so much time dissecting whether our 3rd stringers should be on the roster and how much of an impact they would create. For the most part almost none. Here we are with big time holes at 1st string at many positions and we aren't talking about it but Cobb over Ball....that's the winning formula? All so that coaching can be blamed for our weak season thus far....smh. Where are our quality IMP receivers, DL, and LBers. Right now we are probably the weakest in the league for starters at 2 out of 3 of those groups and at best maybe 6th or 7th in starting LBer strength but that gives MOS too much of an out for most here. Instead of it being partly coaching and mostly talent, the narrative around here is that it's all on coaching and development failure and that is simply not true.

Edited August 20, 2025Aug 20 by GCn20

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

They started the season with 3 American OL...

And again we go round and round... does the depth suck because of the GM or does the depth suck because of the way the coach uses the roster and practise roster? We have a brazzillion linebackers and dbs every game just to chase punts... why? We have 0 for receiver depth on an already weak group... why? 

Because O'Shea was a linebacker who didn't want his career to end.

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Are we leaving quality receivers off the game day roster? There is your answer. That being said things will be looking up once Schoen is ready and Wilson inevitably returns.

Those are big "ifs".

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Are we leaving quality receivers off the game day roster? There is your answer. That being said things will be looking up once Schoen is ready and Wilson inevitably returns.

I dunno, they exhausted every option before they even gave Mitchell a chance despite him being a quick grab when he became available. 

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Cobb is a scrub. An argument could be made to roster him but really whether we dress him or not is a nothing burger. Sometimes you gotta look down the road a couple weeks too and see that he is more than likely going to be released soon.

ha!...we have a ton of scrubs who play incessantly...whats one more that less a scrub...and if a scrub..Why did dear leader keep him then???

I agree about looking down the road tho...of we did...likely 3..4 guys would not be currently here....but we dont do that here

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Honestly we spend so much time dissecting whether our 3rd stringers should be on the roster and how much of an impact they would create. For the most part almost none. Here we are with big time holes at 1st string at many positions and we aren't talking about it but Cobb over Ball....that's the winning formula? All so that coaching can be blamed for our weak season thus far....smh. Where are our quality IMP receivers, DL, and LBers. Right now we are probably the weakest in the league for starters at 2 out of 3 of those groups and at best maybe 6th or 7th in starting LBer strength but that gives MOS too much of an out for most here. Instead of it being partly coaching and mostly talent, the narrative around here is that it's all on coaching and development failure and that is simply not true.

we have several no-stringers taking regular reps...so a 3rd stringer would be welcome....

23 hours ago, Booch said:

He has never had issues at coillegiate level snapping...and really here hasnt either...had a couple bad ones ....but so does every center. Don't think it's a trust issue really....More a coaches preferance and fact that if they swapped out them for each other Kolo couldn't do the role Eli does....and would be the worst 6th oline option 

So we are stuck, unless we just drop him totally and roster a different guy as the 6th

took long enough...how and why he made it out of camp in first place was baffling...10 games in it took em to realize.....10 games of developing someone else wasted

Develop who? I am not denying that Kornelson was a dud. Sure was. 

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Develop who? I am not denying that Kornelson was a dud. Sure was. 

any Canadian really....

21 hours ago, 17to85 said:

I dunno, they exhausted every option before they even gave Mitchell a chance despite him being a quick grab when he became available. 

Yes and look at how he has produced....oh wait....14.5 yds per game says we had a reason for leaving him off. Mitchell is just another really bad offseason signing by Walters...but at least he was one that made it through camp.

2 hours ago, Booch said:

any Canadian really....

Got any, you know, names? Because I'm not seeing any young NAT DTs being left off the roster. I'd love for JT, Shmek, and Korny to be replaced by young NAT DT studs. Give Walters a call, the cupboards are bare. It was either him or Zack Davis from the Rifles as NAT DT insurance. Can't blame the coaches for their choice of Korny....can absolutely blame Walters for putting the coaches in a no win situation though. I know you are critical of Walters as well, just pointing out that a lot of what we are seeing stems from a very poor past 2 offseasons by our GM. In a Grey Cup hosting year, his best signing was Sterns. Let that sink in.

Edited August 21, 2025Aug 21 by GCn20

On 2025-08-20 at 9:33 AM, GCn20 said:

Well there you have it, bigg jay for the win. Can't argue facts.

Some people choose to

I'll say this about Tui....He was WIDE open last game.

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Yes and look at how he has produced....oh wait....14.5 yds per game says we had a reason for leaving him off. Mitchell is just another really bad offseason signing by Walters...but at least he was one that made it through camp.

Got any, you know, names? Because I'm not seeing any young NAT DTs being left off the roster. I'd love for JT, Shmek, and Korny to be replaced by young NAT DT studs. Give Walters a call, the cupboards are bare. It was either him or Zack Davis from the Rifles as NAT DT insurance. Can't blame the coaches for their choice of Korny....can absolutely blame Walters for putting the coaches in a no win situation though. I know you are critical of Walters as well, just pointing out that a lot of what we are seeing stems from a very poor past 2 offseasons by our GM. In a Grey Cup hosting year, his best signing was Sterns. Let that sink in.

Fact we didnt need 3 on roster is part of it...I agree with the total argument...that as an "organization" we have dropped the ball repeatedly left tight and center on various issues and with various people in charge

Samson as well was never given any rope...he could have been brought back after Ham let him go but believe he in Cgy now

I just didnt mean at DT either...or that specific roster spot..that roster positionh could have been for any Canadian...we are woefully lean across the board

This yr even..Bailey can come on as last roster spot for a Canadian...lotsa upside there and tho technically a Global isnt the average Global player...he should be on before about 3..4 guys I can think of off top my head

In the end the HC sets the roiter and keeps/cuts who "he" feels is best...regardless of what any GM brings in...if he keeps sub par favorites over any new guy brought in...we will never know....even if they get no other shot elsewhere....that really means nothing when in all reality save for a real crappy player....and a real exceptional one...most guys across the board in the cfl are very comparable and on the same level...it's how they are coached, schemed and played along with guys beside them

Osh has had success...sure ...but he gets wayyyy too much credit for the whole thing....and it's just not the case....he's not the whole/main reason....so on that basis when things go wrong...and have been trending in wrong way 4 yrs now...then he should get all the blame too then...right...cause he gets glorified as the dear leader if not for Oshea...yeah buts and all the sucess too many is sole result of him

Football is a collective thing with success and failure....but also it's always the HC neck on the line first when sucess starts to falter...and should be here.

That's all I'm saying....we will be fine without Osh if he was to be gone next yr...probably better for it than if we retained him. He's gotten stale....and his message isnt what it was...happens to all coaches....12 yrs is a long time...can be said too long too...If we were dominating and won 5 cups in a row and consensus favorite to do it again...then this a non issue...but we ain't...and the trajectory based on what we seen last 3..4 yrs and the reason(s) why say change is needed

Today is a good litmus test....we should by all means walk away with this game....if we dont, and squeek out another fluke or b.s win...there's issues....we lose and look like we have in other pathetic losses this yr....it's time....

Edited August 21, 2025Aug 21 by Booch

lol...I've said it before and it's still true. Some have dug a hole so deep they've lost touch with reality. Win or lose this game, win or lose next game. etc etc on and on. MOS isn't going anywhere. Wins and Losses are important obviously. But average joe fan is buying tickets like they are going to stop selling them soon. We're approaching a record for sellouts in a row ( I believe we've tied it with the Banjo bowl now). $$$ matters A LOT. And a MOS team will be bringing in $$ for a while yet. Until that changes, MOS will be a bomber whether people like his roster setup or not.

26 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

lol...I've said it before and it's still true. Some have dug a hole so deep they've lost touch with reality. Win or lose this game, win or lose next game. etc etc on and on. MOS isn't going anywhere. Wins and Losses are important obviously. But average joe fan is buying tickets like they are going to stop selling them soon. We're approaching a record for sellouts in a row ( I believe we've tied it with the Banjo bowl now). $$$ matters A LOT. And a MOS team will be bringing in $$ for a while yet. Until that changes, MOS will be a bomber whether people like his roster setup or not.

I'm not sure how people on a discussion board discussing issues they have with roster management (and other BB football decisions/approaches) and how it could be improved to help us secure a win have lost with touch with reality? I follow along for the most part and rarely see someone suggest MOS needs to go, be fired.  To me saying he's not going to get fired anytime soon means anyone who raises ongoing issues with his decisions mean they have lost touch with reality. But that's just me and I haven't read every post and I could indeed be missing something here. I'd rather see a discussion board full of opinions than a discussion board that sets a limit on what can be talked about and for how long. We all (most?) know none of this is within our control, our influence (that reality part you refer to) but it's great to chat about it anyways.

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Win or lose this game, win or lose next game. etc etc on and on. MOS isn't going anywhere

No he is not.... so that means we just stop talking about the team? Win or lose tonight Hogan isn't going anywhere so no one comment on the offensive game plan or playcalling. Win or lose collaros isn't going anywhere so nobody talk about his play either. You see how dumb that sounds?

18 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

No he is not.... so that means we just stop talking about the team? Win or lose tonight Hogan isn't going anywhere so no one comment on the offensive game plan or playcalling. Win or lose collaros isn't going anywhere so nobody talk about his play either. You see how dumb that sounds?

Sorry, can you quote the part where I said people aren't allowed to talk about it? Or are we ONLY allowed to talk about roster management and how undeniably shitty things are with this 5-4 team. And how hopeless it all is. Would that be better? Am I being too positive for you? Id start a thread about how mos isnt going anywhere but im sure you'd start talking about roster management in it again, so I won't.

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I'm not sure how people on a discussion board discussing issues they have with roster management (and other BB football decisions/approaches) and how it could be improved to help us secure a win have lost with touch with reality? I follow along for the most part and rarely see someone suggest MOS needs to go, be fired.  To me saying he's not going to get fired anytime soon means anyone who raises ongoing issues with his decisions mean they have lost touch with reality. But that's just me and I haven't read every post and I could indeed be missing something here. I'd rather see a discussion board full of opinions than a discussion board that sets a limit on what can be talked about and for how long. We all (most?) know none of this is within our control, our influence (that reality part you refer to) but it's great to chat about it anyways.

As I said to 17. Quote where I said people shouldn't talk about it.