1 hour ago, Noeller said:

People somehow using this to "make fun" of the Black Lives Matter movement...........I want to say it makes me shake my head, but it's a lot worse than that. It's unbelievable to me that people don't get the severity of that, in this day and age. 

How sad

4 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

Empire is also this guy...

 

This literally has nothing to do with anything.

And it takes a lot for me to use the word literally.

16 hours ago, bearpants said:

I get the second half of your post is a very unfunny joke... but are you serious about the Red Wolves part?... or was that just the set up to the bad joke?

Nope. That name is seriously being considered as the new name for Washington. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=nfl+washington+considering+the+name+red+wolves&&view=detail&mid=273DDF8B8FACF0CD5820273DDF8B8FACF0CD5820&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dnfl%20washington%20considering%20the%20name%20red%20wolves%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Dnfl%20washington%20considering%20the%20name%20red%20wolves%26sc%3D0-46%26sk%3D%26cvid%3DB72E52059BB94C9BA4BE0087BF4D9315

 

 

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by SpeedFlex27

10 hours ago, Tiny759 said:

How sad

18 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Edmonton Elk

Once an Elk always an elk.

 

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by SpeedFlex27

Edmonton Erections... have a partnership with Viagra and sign Dave Stala and watch Rod Black go absolutely bonkers during the games....

5 hours ago, Brandon said:

Edmonton Erections... have a partnership with Viagra and sign Dave Stala and watch Rod Black go absolutely bonkers during the games....

The problem with Viagra is that if you swallow it too slowly, you get a stiff neck.

Edmonton is saying it will cost them a Million dollars to change the name.

Should they be forced to do it in Pandemic times when they aren't making any money and when they will surely lose a bunch this year?

How much money are the social justice keyboard warriors or the federal government willing to pay to the club to offset the cost?

I'm not happy to see otherwise successful clubs paying for the Als and Argos to play in front of empty stadiums year after year (each team paid over 600k to prop up MTL alone in 2019)... but if it's what is best for the long term health of the league then I guess it's necessary.

I think the name change is best for the long term health of the league and therefore necessary, like it or not. A million dollars doesn't even sound that bad. I would guess there will be an uptick in merchandise sales following the rebrand. Short term pain for long term gain.

Considering we rebrand the jerseys and merch every 2-3 years anyway...  I doubt changing the name will bankrupt the team

I doubt any team can afford to pay an extra million bucks this year. It's not the same as just changing jerseys, they have to change their entire branding, except maybe the double E.

If it's best for the league then I guess all the teams should kick in for the name change.

It's funny that folks who demand the change don't want to pay for it. They expect the team to pay the entire amount. Pretty easy to demand change when it doesn't cost YOU anything.

12 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

I doubt any team can afford to pay an extra million bucks this year. It's not the same as just changing jerseys, they have to change their entire branding, except maybe the double E.

If it's best for the league then I guess all the teams should kick in for the name change.

It's funny that folks who demand the change don't want to pay for it. They expect the team to pay the entire amount. Pretty easy to demand change when it doesn't cost YOU anything.

If you are referring to the Terry Jones article in The Sun... that's pretty ridiculous.

Try to find ONE image that actually relates to the term 'Eskimo' in Edmonton merch and marketing... there is NOTHING.  It's all EE or just the word Eskimos - which is pretty easy to swap out

Jones claims that season ticket holders will leave because they are loyal to the name...  this is laughable.

Like I said, we rebrand team jerseys and logos on a regular basis in the CFL - this is just another rebranding.

Edited July 19, 20205 yr by Floyd

I don't see how it will cost 1 million dollars for a name change?  Unless he's factoring in some kind of "increased" promotional costs to promote the new name/logo.   

For merch why not blow it out and I'm sure the local fans would buy it up to get the old stuff one more time before it's all gone.

37 minutes ago, Floyd said:

If you are referring to the Terry Jones article in The Sun... that's pretty ridiculous.

Try to find ONE image that actually relates to the term 'Eskimo' in Edmonton merch and marketing... there is NOTHING.  It's all EE or just the word Eskimos - which is pretty easy to swap out

Jones claims that season ticket holders will leave because they are loyal to the name...  this is laughable.

Like I said, we rebrand team jerseys and logos on a regular basis in the CFL - this is just another rebranding.

Easy to swap out, sure. Costs money to do so, sure. Sell off the old merch at a loss, costs money. Change all the marketing, costs money. Jersey refresh, costs money. All that plus more = A mill? Maybe. This isn't business as usual. It's a change that no one wants to pay for, especially during these pandemic times.

You're kinda missing the point on purpose. It's not, 'this can't cost what they say it will', it's 'I'm not willing to pay a dime for a change that I want to see'. Put your money where your mouth is.

How much were they going to loose from sponsorship lost if they did not change name.

 

3 hours ago, Floyd said:

Considering we rebrand the jerseys and merch every 2-3 years anyway...  I doubt changing the name will bankrupt the team

Wade Miller: Leave. Our. Uniforms. Alone. 

 

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3 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

Easy to swap out, sure. Costs money to do so, sure. Sell off the old merch at a loss, costs money. Change all the marketing, costs money. Jersey refresh, costs money. All that plus more = A mill? Maybe. This isn't business as usual. It's a change that no one wants to pay for, especially during these pandemic times.

You're kinda missing the point on purpose. It's not, 'this can't cost what they say it will', it's 'I'm not willing to pay a dime for a change that I want to see'. Put your money where your mouth is.

You do realize that 'old merch' is 'sold at a loss' every... single... year.  

How much money is tied up every year in unuseable marketing related to vets who get cut, injured or traded... such as Matt Nichols

Terry Jones says there's all these fans that will not renew their season tix because of the name change... but they won't buy all the Esks merch out of nostalgia... got it.  Sure.

We JUST rebranded the league in 2019 with New Era...  this included new logos.  And the MontreALS instead of Alouettes basically...  you don't remember Edmonton basically changing their brand to 'Esks' not that long ago???

You always manage to find the negative spin on anything... and once again, you are missing the point on purpose. 

This is not a massive change like the RedSkins - this one is a slight adjustment.  And in fact, its a huge marketing opportunity rather than a sadsack ledger entry...

I'd be surprised if New Era or someone doesn't rebrand it 'pro bono' just to reap the marketing/goodwill.

Its just too bad Esks had to wait until the Redskins did it - if anything, that cost them money.

 

30 minutes ago, Floyd said:

You do realize that 'old merch' is 'sold at a loss' every... single... year.  

How much money is tied up every year in unuseable marketing related to vets who get cut, injured or traded... such as Matt Nichols

Terry Jones says there's all these fans that will not renew their season tix because of the name change... but they won't buy all the Esks merch out of nostalgia... got it.  Sure.

We JUST rebranded the league in 2019 with New Era...  this included new logos.  And the MontreALS instead of Alouettes basically...  you don't remember Edmonton basically changing their brand to 'Esks' not that long ago???

You always manage to find the negative spin on anything... and once again, you are missing the point on purpose. This is not a massive change like the RedSkins - this one is a slight adjustment.  And in fact, its a huge marketing opportunity rather than a sadsack ledger entry...I'd be surprised if New Era or someone doesn't rebrand it 'pro bono' just to reap the marketing/goodwill.

Its just too bad Esks had to wait until the Redskins did it - if anything, that cost them money.

 

Because.....Alberta.

Massive change or 'slight adjustment' both mean significant outlay of capital, which is really stupid when we don't even know if we get a CFL season this year and we don't know if no season will kill the CFL outright.

I'd be very surprised if New Era or any other company for that matter would do anything 'pro bono'.

Again, you want change without having to pay a dime yourself. Typical keyboard social justice warrior.

Is old merch really selling at a loss?

I've had friends in the clothing industry and for clothing its really only a few dollars for each article of clothing. The mark up is insane. 

 

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Wade Miller: Leave. Our. Uniforms. Alone. 

 

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1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Massive change or 'slight adjustment' both mean significant outlay of capital, which is really stupid when we don't even know if we get a CFL season this year and we don't know if no season will kill the CFL outright.

I'd be very surprised if New Era or any other company for that matter would do anything 'pro bono'.

Again, you want change without having to pay a dime yourself. Typical keyboard social justice warrior.

Man, you've really slipped over the years...

So, basic logic and market forces defeated your 'Eskimos doesn't bother me and I'm a regular non-racist white guy' argument... so now you're wallowing in the dirt and calling me a 'typical social justice warrior who does nothing'... classy.

Just remember that I didn't give a flying effin eff about the name until I read how misguided your stance was - now you've twisted your argument that it was always only the 'cost of rebranding' that is the issue because it will kill the CFL...

You're a shadow of the old TBurg, I must say...  

8 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

 

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15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Wade Miller: Leave. Our. Uniforms. Alone. 

 

Don't worry... I would say if there's one thing we've learned about Wade Miller since he took over the team... he absolutely cares about what the fans want

13 hours ago, Floyd said:

Man, you've really slipped over the years...

So, basic logic and market forces defeated your 'Eskimos doesn't bother me and I'm a regular non-racist white guy' argument... so now you're wallowing in the dirt and calling me a 'typical social justice warrior who does nothing'... classy.

Just remember that I didn't give a flying effin eff about the name until I read how misguided your stance was - now you've twisted your argument that it was always only the 'cost of rebranding' that is the issue because it will kill the CFL...

You're a shadow of the old TBurg, I must say...  

Basic logic didn't defeat my argument. The current politically correct climate made logic irrelevant. Eskimos doesn't bother me or most of the affected folks who the Esks polled, but that point is lost on you.

I am a non-racist white guy. I couldn't care less what anyone's ancestry is. I don't treat other races as children who need to be protected. I assume they are adults. I don't take responsibility for things that my race did in the past and I don't expect anyone of any other race to take responsibility for anything that their race did in the past. I try to see things as the were seen at the time they were done. I don't put a modern filter on them and call them bad. Eskimos, when the team was named, wasn't seen as derogatory or racist. That's the modern spin. 

I never said it was it was only the cost of rebranding. I had no idea what the cost was until a few days back, but the cost of rebranding is a big thing especially in today's CFL economy. You're completely downplaying the costs and expecting the Esks to pay the entire cost themselves.

I see you as one of the group who is chanting in the streets:

What do we want?   CHANGE!

When do we want it? NOW!

Who should pay for it? SOMEONE ELSE!