J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, bearpants said: Not that I want to give Hefney a pass... but Greg Robinson is a whole different level of stupid... he was a second overall pick in the NFL... even is he flames out (which he was on track to do)... he'll still have a life time earnings of give or take $20-30M... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/greg-robinson-14411/cash-earnings/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2014/05/09/2014-nfl-draft-1st-round-rookie-salary-projections/#14a84f353581 can't guarantee either of these sites are accurate... but they're at least close... Oh I agree completely. I have a ton of compassion for Hefney and the circumstances of his incarceration. This, as you say, is on a whole different level. Reports claim the weed was found in duffle bags in the back of their vehicle that was sniffed out by a dog at the border crossing. No attempt to hide the weed or cover up the smell. Nothing. Just brazenly in the open. The mind boggles at how in the world these gentlemen thought they were just going to drive across the border into the U.S. like that. Were they just that stupid? Sure looks that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, J5V said: The mind boggles at how in the world these gentlemen thought they were just going to drive across the border into the U.S. like that. Were they just that stupid? Sure looks that way. Maybe they thought they were still in the 'true north strong and free' Even here that looks like 'bootleg' stuff BUT I think the penalty would most likely be a little lighter...Dumb move in any event Edited February 21, 2020 by Stickem J5V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 50 minutes ago, JCon said: He was diversifying is assets, yo. Sure, and maybe I am out-of-touch with these things nowadays, but is weed even a thing any more? I mean, it is far from a performance enhancing drug. Likely just the opposite. I thought cocaine was the drug of choice among athletes nowadays -- improves performance, clears the system quickly, is easier to hide/transport, doesn't reek, and is much more profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 It just gets better ... "When they approached secondary inspection at the Sierra Blanca checkpoint near the US border with Mexico, Robinson told the Uber driver he would pay them to claim the marijuana, the complaint said, according to the release. The driver refused and said they would not have driven had they known about the drugs." Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomberfanMKS Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, J5V said: Oh I agree completely. I have a ton of compassion for Hefney and the circumstances of his incarceration. This, as you say, is on a whole different The mind boggles at how in the world these gentlemen thought they were just going to drive across the border into the U.S. like that. Were they just that stupid? Sure looks that way. They weren't trying to cross a border - the US does this dumb **** on their borders where they put immigration/federal law checkpoints up to 100 miles away from the actual border. They actually aren't necessarily hooped - if they hire a good lawyer and those federal agents didn't do a good job of documenting their probable cause (The story says they passed by an agent whose dog signalled him as they passed) AND they didn't consent to have their vehicle searched (this is important). It's possible the search could be found to be a violation of their 4th amendment rights and therefore the evidence discovered in the search is inadmissible. A lot of ifs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, BomberfanMKS said: They weren't trying to cross a border - the US does this dumb **** on their borders where they put immigration/federal law checkpoints up to 100 miles away from the actual border. They actually aren't necessarily hooped - if they hire a good lawyer and those federal agents didn't do a good job of documenting their probable cause (The story says they passed by an agent whose dog signalled him as they passed) AND they didn't consent to have their vehicle searched (this is important). It's possible the search could be found to be a violation of their 4th amendment rights and therefore the evidence discovered in the search is inadmissible. A lot of ifs. If the drug detecting dog alerts them, why would they need consent to search the vehicle? Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, BomberfanMKS said: They weren't trying to cross a border - the US does this dumb **** on their borders where they put immigration/federal law checkpoints up to 100 miles away from the actual border. Right you are ... "According to a criminal complaint by the Drug Enforcement Administration, Robinson, Bray and an unidentified third person were driving from Los Angeles to Louisiana in a rented car through a remote section of West Texas. When they passed a Border Patrol agent with a drug-sniffing dog, the animal detected the scent of marijuana. The agent radioed ahead to a checkpoint where the patrol inspected the vehicle, finding several large duffel bags containing marijuana. Also found were glass jars and packaging equipment, along with $3,100 in cash." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Geebrr said: If the drug detecting dog alerts them, why would they need consent to search the vehicle? Maybe because they weren't crossing the border. Maybe since they were already in the U.S. then they'd need consent or a warrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Unlike Hefney, Greg Robinson is a wealthy man. Let's see if he is able to buy himself some favourable American justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, J5V said: Maybe because they weren't crossing the border. Maybe since they were already in the U.S. then they'd need consent or a warrant. I don't follow that logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Geebrr said: I don't follow that logic Crossing the border, you don't have the right to refuse a search. US Border Patrol do not need a warrant or probably cause to search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, JCon said: Crossing the border, you don't have the right to refuse a search. US Border Patrol do not need a warrant or probably cause to search. The dog has a job to detect drugs. It did. Probable cause has been established. I don't really get the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Geebrr said: The dog has a job to detect drugs. It did. Probable cause has been established. I don't really get the logic. That is what is being reported but we don't know the circumstances. If this were a border stop, there would be no questions; however, the accused have rights in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and Gold87 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, JCon said: Crossing the border, you don't have the right to refuse a search. US Border Patrol do not need a warrant or probably cause to search. Just to clarify, I don't believe they were crossing a border crossing. They were coming from Los Angeles to new Orleans i believe. Why they chose that you way is beyond me though! 🤦 J5V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Geebrr said: I don't follow that logic 4th Amendment, I believe. "The Fourth Amendment's protection against unlawful search and seizure generally prohibits arbitrary vehicle searches by police. If the police search your car without a warrant, your permission, or a valid reason, they are violating your constitutional rights." Therefore, at least one of the following would have to be true ... You have given the officer consent; The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle; The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example); and You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs). The "probable cause" might be the one that sinks them. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, JCon said: That is what is being reported but we don't know the circumstances. If this were a border stop, there would be no questions; however, the accused have rights in this case. Where is it being reported that a drug detecting dog alerting agents to the presence of drugs could be a violation? I'd like to get more information on that. Sounds very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Geebrr said: The dog has a job to detect drugs. It did. Probable cause has been established. I suppose it would hinge on whether a judge agrees that a dog alert would constitute "probable cause". I think it probably would and that you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, J5V said: 4th Amendment, I believe. "The Fourth Amendment's protection against unlawful search and seizure generally prohibits arbitrary vehicle searches by police. If the police search your car without a warrant, your permission, or a valid reason, they are violating your constitutional rights." Therefore, at least one of the following would have to be true ... You have given the officer consent; The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle; The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example); and You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs). The "probable cause" might be the one that sinks them. Again, the dog whose sole job is to identify the presence of drugs doing alerting an agent seems like more than enough probable cause to search the vehicle without consent. I don't get the procedural error. Why have the dog at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Geebrr said: Again, the dog whose sole job is to identify the presence of drugs doing alerting an agent seems like more than enough probable cause to search the vehicle without consent. I don't get the procedural error. Why have the dog at all? The dog did his job correctly. The question is, did the agents? All it takes is a technicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M.O.A.B. Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 less option for Derrell Walker now. Leos has less money to sign him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, M.O.A.B. said: I would like to welcome Derel Walker to the Blue Bombers! bigg jay and Noeller 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JCon said: I would like to welcome Derel Walker to the Blue Bombers! it's a no brainer, if I'm Walker. It's Walker or nothing for me now. Edited February 21, 2020 by M.O.A.B. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Cheap. Wow, cheap. I bet they're going to get him some money under the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 yup as much as I wanted Rhymes, it was moreso because I thought he would be the value option of all receivers...but seeing as we apparently have Walker money, or a ways and means to make it worth his while..then he'd be the more impactful signing JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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