I predict that O’Shea will lead us to a Grey Cup win and also that no one should start a thread right after a loss ha

Edited December 5, 20196 yr by Floyd

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

And what will the O'Shea supporters say if he brings back his entire coaching staff next year after signing a brand new 3 year deal? Cuz I think that is what will happen. 

I’d be quite mad. 

1 minute ago, Floyd said:

Umm... 9-9 and one and done is where we're headed right now...?  But it would be okay if Nichols was doing it?

 

Eaaasy Big Fella...I think you know that's not at all what I said.

 

1 minute ago, Floyd said:

Not saying I agree with that decision if it's made...just my gut feeling.

 

5 minutes ago, AKAChip said:

I’m not sure that’s true, if we’re being honest. 

We need help on the OL. We need better receivers. We need secondary help. We need new coordinators. 

3 minutes ago, White Out said:

You can't have it both ways, either Oshea refill the cupboards with the bad team, or it is impossible for a bad team to turn around.

Ok, so now you believe the cupboards were bare after all.  I believe the team has a respectable record after his first two years.  And you certainly don’t have to agree with me. 

Anyone watching the Lions/Argos game? It's 54-0 Lions. 

Just now, Mark H. said:

Ok, so now you believe the cupboards were bare after all.  I believe the team has a respectable record after his first two years.  And you certainly don’t have to agree with me. 

I'm saying in the cfl there's no such thing as "cupboards" as we traditionally use that phrase in say the NHL or mlb

It's a 9 team league with high turnover. 

Good teams are getting better as we get closer to the playoffs. We’re being exposed as pretenders. Plus big Chris just simply isn’t that guy. You get a little pressure on him and instead of stepping up into the pocket he looks to dance around and he’s been exposed.  

2 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We need help on the OL. We need better receivers. We need secondary help. We need new coordinators. 

Hardrick is playing hurt - what else is wrong with the OL?  Or do you mean more Canadians starting? Secondary looks to be on the way up - just Rose trying to do too much in the 4th Q today. 

3 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

We need help on the OL. We need better receivers. We need secondary help. We need new coordinators. 

I feel like we have enough Canadian talent in the OL pipeline that we’re likely set for awhile. We really only need a Hardrick upgrade assuming Bryant has a couple good years left in him. Secondary is the easiest position to find Americans and even still, there are a ton of young talented American DBs on the roster already. Sayles and Rose are close to as good as it gets. 

5 minutes ago, Deiter Fan said:

Eaaasy Big Fella...I think you know that's not at all what I said.

Ha - I was just trying to understand the statement...  9-9 and one and done gets coaches fired unless you're rebuilding

The challenge I have as on Osh supporter is that Walters, Miller and Osh thought Etch and Bellefuile would be a good set of coordinators 

We let them off the hook because 'no one wanted to be in Winnipeg'...

Then Lapo was brought back and Hall signed - BOTH of these guys had huge red flags back then... none of what we're seeing today is unexpected

Yet its year four of Lapo and five of Hall...  how can this not fall on Osh/Walters?  

5 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Anyone watching the Lions/Argos game? It's 54-0 Lions. 

No lead is safe.

Just now, Floyd said:

Ha - I was just trying to understand the statement...  9-9 and one and done gets coaches fired unless you're rebuilding

The challenge I have as on Osh supporter is that Walters, Miller and Osh thought Etch and Bellefuile would be a good set of coordinators 

We let them off the hook because 'no one wanted to be in Winnipeg'...

Then Lapo was brought back and Hall signed - BOTH of these guys had huge red flags back then... none of what we're seeing today is unexpected

Yet its year four of Lapo and five of Hall...  how can this not fall on Osh/Walters?  

Because stability

2 minutes ago, Floyd said:

No lead is safe.

So, I guess next home game they get 8,000 instead of 9,000 at BMO. 

1 minute ago, White Out said:

I'm saying in the cfl there's no such thing as "cupboards" as we traditionally use that phrase in say the NHL or mlb

It's a 9 team league with high turnover. 

That’s true of American positions. You need your base of Canadian players and new draft picks, as well as a competent QB.  After Taman and Mack, we had none of those, and I was quite frankly surprised we were able to hire someone as competent as O’shea for HC. Imagine the team during the Mack era losing a high caliber starting Canadian OG - it would have been an absolute disaster. 

3 minutes ago, White Out said:

Because stability

**** stability. 

Just now, Mark H. said:

That’s true of American positions. You need your base of Canadian players and new draft picks, as well as a competent QB.  After Taman and Mack, we had none of those, and I was quite frankly surprised we were able to hire someone as competent as O’shea for HC. Imagine the team during the Mack era losing a high caliber starting Canadian OG - it would have been an absolute disaster. 

I frequently imagine would have been like to have gambled on head coach with a higher ceiling than O'Shea.

8 minutes ago, AKAChip said:

I feel like we have enough Canadian talent in the OL pipeline that we’re likely set for awhile. We really only need a Hardrick upgrade assuming Bryant has a couple good years left in him. Secondary is the easiest position to find Americans and even still, there are a ton of young talented American DBs on the roster already. Sayles and Rose are close to as good as it gets. 

And yet it's been 29 years.   

1 minute ago, Mark H. said:

That’s true of American positions. You need your base of Canadian players and new draft picks, as well as a competent QB.  After Taman and Mack, we had none of those, and I was quite frankly surprised we were able to hire someone as competent as O’shea for HC. Imagine the team during the Mack era losing a high caliber starting Canadian OG - it would have been an absolute disaster. 

Its really time to move on from the Mack excuse... team is rebuilt.

I would never say fire Walters and Miller until they've had another coach under their reign - Bauer's problem was that he didn't like Ritchie, it got personal and he couldn't let it go... now I think we have the opposite problem - we like Osh as a person too much and can't look at it rationally

4 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

And yet it's been 29 years.   

I’m not sure what that has to do with the current construction of the roster. 

2 hours ago, Floyd said:

Hate to say it but the Oshea era is over...

Young showed tonight that Richie Hall really is the problem - even with Winston Rose's miscues

Playing Neufeld over Gray has cost this team - that's on Oshea

Sticking with Lapo and Hall - its finished Osh

Another QB ruined.

Young showed tonight that having a player that can actually make plays at safety is huge. So perhaps you could have been DC tonight and had the same better result. 

Just now, AKAChip said:

I’m not sure what that has to do with the current construction of the roster. 

If it was as easy as you seem to be making it out to be replacing players we wouldn't be in this drought. It's not that easy. 

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

If it was as easy as you seem to be making it out to be replacing players we wouldn't be in this drought. It's not that easy. 

It really doesn’t matter how good the rest of your roster is if your QB and OC suck. And either one or the other has been the case for almost all of the past 29 years. 

1 minute ago, AKAChip said:

It really doesn’t matter how good the rest of your roster is if your QB and OC suck. And either one or the other has been the case for almost all of the past 29 years. 

I can't discuss this anymore this evening. It's time to let it go.

8 minutes ago, DR. CFL said:

Young showed tonight that having a player that can actually make plays at safety is huge. So perhaps you could have been DC tonight and had the same better result. 

No, I would have been ejected for sending Hecht to t-bone Evans on the sidelines.

Although this does raise the question - who's decision was it to stick with Hecht this long?  Hall or Osh?

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

The only question is whether Osh wants to get back on this sinking ship. I know I'd run away. But if the organization is smart they beg The Trinity to come back and try to fix this with better coordinators... 

A few days ago you said there is no way O'Shea would ever leave. What caused you to change your mind?

The Trinity IS the organization. They certainly haven't needed anyone's permission to fix things and we're going on 6 years.

Miller has a job, he can't do Walters' job for him. Walters has a job, he can't do O'Shea's job for him. O'Shea has a job, he can't do Lapo's and Hall's jobs for them. To win a championship each of these people have to be working at a championship level. It's hard to believe that that's happening. It all starts with Wade Miller and I haven't seen him anywhere near a Grey Cup since he took over.