WBBFanWest Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 14 hours ago, J5V said: For me, we'd have to be 3rd and a mile before I'd ask my FG kicker to attempt a 61 yarder no matter how good he told me he was feeling. 3rd and anything reasonable, say 20 yards and under, and I'm audibling and throwing a pass, screen, etc. If it's 3rd and 5 and my offense can't get 5, that's beyond putrid. But that's me. Seem to be an awful lot of putrid offences in the CFL then. One thing you might want to factor in is the fact that the offence is playing against a defense comprised of pro level players who are proably of the opinion that if they were to give up 5 yards on a 3rd and 5 their defense would be putrid, so ya, it is you. SPuDS, Wanna-B-Fanboy, blitzmore and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 IIRC, 3rd and 5 was 25% successful in 2016. Of course I know this because the topic was discussed ad nauseum post said playoff game. SPuDS, Albertabomberguy and blue_gold_84 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 14 hours ago, J5V said: For me, we'd have to be 3rd and a mile before I'd ask my FG kicker to attempt a 61 yarder no matter how good he told me he was feeling. 3rd and anything reasonable, say 20 yards and under, and I'm audibling and throwing a pass, screen, etc. If it's 3rd and 5 and my offense can't get 5, that's beyond putrid. But that's me. ya, 5 yards is such a gimme.. this is why people rarely ever punt on 3rd and 2, 3, 4 or 5 yards.. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, SPuDS said: ya, 5 yards is such a gimme.. this is why people rarely ever punt on 3rd and 2, 3, 4 or 5 yards.. I laughed but... Teams regularly go for it on 3rd down, late in a game, when trailing. Doesn't matter the distance. 5 yards is no gimme though. Mark H., SPuDS and blue_gold_84 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, JCon said: I laughed but... Teams regularly go for it on 3rd down, late in a game, when trailing. Doesn't matter the distance. 5 yards is no gimme though. Yep. It comes down to variables. Let's say Hardrick and Chungh have been blowing up the right side all night - then you just might consider going for it on 3rd down if need be. JCon, blue_gold_84, SPuDS and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Re: Murray's brutal play on Dressler: CFL.CA STAFF TORONTO — The Canadian Football League (CFL) announced on Thursday that Toronto Argonauts linebacker Rico Murray was fined for a dangerous tackle on Winnipeg Blue Bombers receiver Weston Dressler. The league also announced that Winnipeg Blue Bombers defensive tackle Cory Johnson was fined for a high hit on Toronto Argonauts quarterback Ricky Ray. As per league policy, the amount of the player fines was not disclosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomberBall Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Noeller said: Re: Murray's brutal play on Dressler: CFL.CA STAFF TORONTO — The Canadian Football League (CFL) announced on Thursday that Toronto Argonauts linebacker Rico Murray was fined for a dangerous tackle on Winnipeg Blue Bombers receiver Weston Dressler. The league also announced that Winnipeg Blue Bombers defensive tackle Cory Johnson was fined for a high hit on Toronto Argonauts quarterback Ricky Ray. As per league policy, the amount of the player fines was not disclosed. Pffffftt. Classic CFL. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, BomberBall said: Pffffftt. Classic CFL. A toothless fine for needlessly and dangerously body-slamming a player. Pretty ridiculous. Mr Dee and SPuDS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Quote The Canadian Football League (CFL) announced on Thursday that Toronto Argonauts linebacker Rico Murray was fined for a dangerous tackle on Winnipeg Blue Bombers receiver Weston Dressler. Everybody is slamming the CFL for not suspending Murray for that hit. The punishment does not fit that vicious act. The guy should have been ejected immediately after that attempt to injure. I mean, why else would you knowingly slam a defenceless person into the ground using his neck to break his fall? A fine just isn’t good enough for that hit.. Edited October 26, 2017 by Mr Dee blitzmore, BigBlueFanatic, blue_gold_84 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, SPuDS said: ya, 5 yards is such a gimme.. this is why people rarely ever punt on 3rd and 2, 3, 4 or 5 yards.. I guess I got that impression watching the Toronto game. When Toronto gambled on third down they easily made 5 yards and more. I don't remember them NOT making at least 5 yards on third down and they gambled plenty. They may have been 100% Edited October 26, 2017 by J5V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, J5V said: I guess I got that impression watching the Toronto game. When Toronto gambled on third down they easily made 5 yards and more. I don't remember them NOT making at least 5 yards on third down and they gambled plenty. They may have been 100% I dare say when a coach like Trestman is doing it - he's clearly aware of liabilities in the opposing front 7. The guy is simply not known for gambling in normal circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 30 minutes ago, Mr Dee said: Everybody is slamming the CFL for not suspending Murray for that hit. The punishment does not fit that vicious act. The guy should have been ejected immediately after that attempt to injure. I mean, why else would you knowingly slam a defenceless person into the ground using his neck to break his fall? A fine just isn’t good enough for that hit.. For intent to injure type offences (because we are trying to protect all players, not just QB's right?): (I'm guessing the CFL already has a policy on this but this is what I'd suggest) First offence, ejection, 1 game suspension and fine. Second offence, ejection, 6 game suspension, fine, lose draft pick. Third offence, ejection, 18 game suspension, huge fine, lose draft picks. All penalties incurred carry over into next season if need be. After the second offence, more than likely he doesn't play again in the league to make it to the third offence. And I know there is some grey in determining intent to injure but that's where you get a group together to make that call. In this particular case with Rico on Dressler, little doubt for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 24 minutes ago, J5V said: I guess I got that impression watching the Toronto game. When Toronto gambled on third down they easily made 5 yards and more. I don't remember them NOT making at least 5 yards on third down and they gambled plenty. They may have been 100% no, we stopped them on one of the 3.. (or was it 4) attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 On one of the telecasts this year, it was mentioned that the completion rate for 2-point conversion this year in the CFL was about 50%, so going for it on 3rd and 5 shouldn't be that much of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 36 minutes ago, tracker said: On one of the telecasts this year, it was mentioned that the completion rate for 2-point conversion this year in the CFL was about 50%, so going for it on 3rd and 5 shouldn't be that much of a stretch. 3 yards versus 5. agree to disagree i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Gambling on 3rd and 5 is not going to work very often. There is a big difference between making 5 yards by breaking through the front on a 3rd and short and making 5 yards on 3rd and five. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, MC said: Gambling on 3rd and 5 is not going to work very often. There is a big difference between making 5 yards by breaking through the front on a 3rd and short and making 5 yards on 3rd and five. Correct. I'd still take those odds however than the odds on successfully kicking a 61 yard field goal. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 2 hours ago, J5V said: Correct. I'd still take those odds however than the odds on successfully kicking a 61 yard field goal. But that's just me. Not me... Not when my kicker is Justin Medlock last year. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfranc Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 If the Bombers aren't playing in the Grey Cup game his season I suspect somebody will have to fall on their sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Noeller said: Not me... Not when my kicker is Justin Medlock last year. I've looked but couldn't find anything, especially for cfl kickers, but I somehow think that the rate of success for FGs attempted of over 60 yards is abysmal. I found this at an NFL site ... “Since 2010, there have been 43 attempts from 60+ yards and just 10 makes,” so that is, roughly, 1 of 4 attempts. Edited October 27, 2017 by J5V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, J5V said: I've looked but couldn't find anything, especially for cfl kickers, but I somehow think that the rate of success for FGs attempted of over 60 yards is abysmal. I found this at an NFL site ... “Since 2010, there have been 43 attempts from 60+ yards and just 10 makes,” so that is, roughly, 1 of 4 attempts. That would the two percentages roughly identical - interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, mfranc said: If the Bombers aren't playing in the Grey Cup game his season I suspect somebody will have to fall on their sword. Richie Hall has to be the runaway favourite at this point. Edited October 27, 2017 by blue_gold_84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Mark H. said: That would the two percentages roughly identical - interesting Yeah it comes out to 23% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 5 hours ago, mfranc said: If the Bombers aren't playing in the Grey Cup game his season I suspect somebody will have to fall on their sword. Oh please, the Bombers management isn't so reactionary. They're not going to start firing people based on how they do in the playoffs. They are all about stability and the process. Fans want firings all the time, but that's fans being fans. MC and SPuDS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judd Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, mfranc said: If the Bombers aren't playing in the Grey Cup game his season I suspect somebody will have to fall on their sword. lol, firings after back to back 11+ win seasons? not a chance. Edited October 27, 2017 by Judd SPuDS and Mark F 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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