I didn't think we had a thread for this. 

Is Trudeau this out of touch or does he just not care?

 

Trudeau is under the impression that if he tosses token spending at Alberta, they will stop whining and snarling at him and maybe even vote Liberal. Fat chance.

15 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Collectively, we're reactive way more often than we're proactive - it explains a lot of the state of the world.

agree.

re what to do.....

 

I would like to see direct investment in renewable energy, start with alberta,help for oil worker who,lose jobs, 

train them in the new energy technology. build it. its cheaper now anyway. as a powerf source.

figure out each provinces best renewable potential.... and concentrate on that on that place.

help needed for  all workers who face job,lossmcause of changes like this. they need and should get help from the government.

certainly they wont get any from the big corps. who,will treat their workers as  they treat their abandoned wells.

 

 

 

 

 

You can't look at spending across one department. Infrastructure has renewable energy, Natural Resources, etc. all have pieces of the renewable energy. And, some of it is Provincial jurisdiction. 

Skills development is one piece, for sure. 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/derek-sloan-expel-caucus-result-1.5880171

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Conservative MPs today voted to expel Derek Sloan from caucus after the eastern Ontario MP accepted a donation from a notorious white nationalist.

Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole initiated the ouster earlier this week after news emerged that Paul Fromm — whose ties to white supremacist and neo-Nazi causes have long been documented — had contributed $131 to Sloan's leadership campaign.

Sloan fought against the vote, saying he was unaware of the source of the donation because Fromm used his full name, Frederick P. Fromm.

Conservatives voted by secret ballot today, with the majority of MPs voting to remove Sloan from their benches. 

In a statement issued this afternoon, O'Toole called the donation the "last straw."

"The Conservative caucus voted to remove Derek Sloan not because of one specific event, but because of a pattern of destructive behaviour involving multiple incidents and disrespect towards the Conservative team for over a year," he said.

"These actions have been a consistent distraction from our efforts to grow the party and focus on the work we need to do. Events of the past week were simply the last straw and led to our caucus making the decision it did today."

A smart decision. Good riddance.

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

agree.

re what to do.....

 

I would like to see direct investment in renewable energy, start with Alberta, help for oil workers who lose jobs,   Train them in the new energy technology. build it. its cheaper now anyway. as a power source.

Figure out each provinces best renewable potential.... and concentrate on that on that place.

Help is needed for  all workers who face job losses because of changes like this. they need and should get help from the government.

Certainly they wont get any from the big corps. who, will treat their workers as  they treat their abandoned wells. 

 

The PC's in Alberta would have a hard time philosophically with federal money coming into "their" province. If Alberta can get past that, any credit they will give to federal Liberals will be very short-lived- about 20 minutes, I figure.

8 hours ago, Tracker said:

Trudeau is under the impression that if he tosses token spending at Alberta, they will stop whining and snarling at him and maybe even vote Liberal. Fat chance.

%^&* Trudeau. That always feels good to say that here in Alberta. 

 

 

8 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/derek-sloan-expel-caucus-result-1.5880171

A smart decision. Good riddance.

He made his own bed. 

Gonna need new Gov. General. TBH im seeing undiagnosed bi-polar.

Edited January 21, 20215 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

well this might be the first time this has happened in my lifetime and with at least three years to go in her term, so who gets the job now?

16 minutes ago, iHeart said:

well this might be the first time this has happened in my lifetime and with at least three years to go in her term, so who gets the job now?

Should be no one. It's just a patronage job.

14 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Should be no one. It's just a patronage job.

Head of Government. The Queen's representative. Can't be no one. 

It's a completely ridiculous position, for sure, but still something that is (unfortunately) necessary with our current form of government. It's unbelievable that someone could **** up a job as easy as that one...

An appointed governor General is far superior to an elected position. Keep it apolitical so we avoid the **** show that is happening in the US. Same with the senate. Last thing we need is the gridlock that exists down there.

22 minutes ago, JCon said:

Head of Government. The Queen's representative. Can't be no one. 

That's what a PM is for.

Strictly speaking while it is a ceremonial position, you need one under the current system. PM = Head of government, Monarch =Head of State, GG=Monarch's rep thus acts as Head of State.

$288,900 a year position.

33 minutes ago, Noeller said:

It's a completely ridiculous position, for sure, but still something that is (unfortunately) necessary with our current form of government. It's unbelievable that someone could **** up a job as easy as that one...

It really just shows how selfish she was. Her actions should qualify her as the most American of any of our government or political leaders. Shouldn’t have been allowed to resign, likely keeps a massive pension but should have been fired for cause. 

34 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

That's what a PM is for.

I don't think you understand. The PM can't do that. That's not allowed. 

You really want to open up the constitution? 

33 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Strictly speaking while it is a ceremonial position, you need one under the current system. PM = Head of government, Monarch =Head of State, GG=Monarch's rep thus acts as Head of State.

Head of state, yes. Wasn't thinking. 

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

That's what a PM is for.

The PM does not represent the queen. They represent their party, who represent the people.

53 minutes ago, GCJenks said:

It really just shows how selfish she was. Her actions should qualify her as the most American of any of our government or political leaders. Shouldn’t have been allowed to resign, likely keeps a massive pension but should have been fired for cause. 

What happened exactly? I read a brief article about a toxic work place but there were no details.

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

That's what a PM is for.

Then a pm with a majority is just a dictator. 

17 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Then a pm with a majority is just a dictator. 

He already is.  If a U.S. President had as much power as a Canadian PM with a majority, it would be an absolute disaster.  

47 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

The PM does not represent the queen. They represent their party, who represent the people.

What happened exactly? I read a brief article about a toxic work place but there were no details.

I haven’t seen the final report but some of the prelim info was ugly. Human rights violations, abuse of staff and from the sounds of it financial improprieties worse than we have seen before and we’ve seen some ridiculous ones already. 

3 hours ago, JCon said:

You really want to open up the constitution?

Yes, if it means getting rid of the separatists.

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Then a pm with a majority is just a dictator. 

Canada's always been like that. Majority in parliament, you can do what ever you want.

31 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Yes, if it means getting rid of the separatists.

Canada's always been like that. Majority in parliament, you can do what ever you want.

Every country seems to have a minority who feels aggrieved and wants to run away (figuratively) and be their own country. Human nature, I guess that the grass is always greener elsewhere.

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Yes, if it means getting rid of the separatists.

The only thing holding us together is this legal document and some vague notion of nationality. 

You open it up and everything falls apart. 

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

 

Canada's always been like that. Majority in parliament, you can do what ever you want.

Yeah but it's not up to the pm to dissolve parliament currently. Pretty big thing that keeps a bad faith actor just staying in the office for ever.