Zontar Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, do or die said: 1. The centralists got bombed in Iowa - funny kinda of rigging 2. "Spygate" has been debunked in many quarters, not a single shred of evidence provided to support it. Report Muller has 6-10 total clear cut cases of Obstruction (completely covered up by Barr) Trump props up the Russians and especially Putin to the detriment of DOJ, FBI, CIA et al. 3. Some Republicans expressed doubt in public, but voted to confirm anyways (sound familiar?) 4. All documents requests to 8 different branches of administration blocked. All members of administration blocked from testifying. A trial without neither Need to unscrew those helmet bolts, just a bit. Unless you are holding out for the Medal of Freedom, from Trump. If you want your moral outrage at corruption etc to be accepted as genuine then you have to apply the same standard to Democrats you do for Trump. When you dont all it is just partisan and biased claptrap you claim the opposite is. So, yeah, youve got some work to do. Limbaugh ? Talked a good game on real conservativism but carried the torch for fake DC swamp neo conservatism for decades. Only in the last few years did he claim to realize what a disaster neocons have been. Whether thats sincere or not who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Zontar said: If you want your moral outrage at corruption etc to be accepted as genuine then you have to apply the same standard to Democrats you do for Trump. When you dont all it is just partisan and biased claptrap you claim the opposite is. So, yeah, youve got some work to do. Limbaugh ? Talked a good game on real conservativism but carried the torch for fake DC swamp neo conservatism for decades. Only in the last few years did he claim to realize what a disaster neocons have been. Whether thats sincere or not who knows. Have followed US Politics since the Watergate. Seen many Presidents and administrations, including Clinton who didn't care a whit about foreign policy, and the bungling efforts of Carter. But the real outstanding corruption instances are stuff like Nixon, Iran gate (Reagan) Gulf wars (Bush's) and the completely mendacious and corrupt Trump administration. Even yesterday, this Stone business is pretty well the most naked. overt and obvious case of political interference. I have seen - with his personal stooge as Attorney General (Barr) and totally compliant lapdog Republican legislators in both House and Senate - they no longer make the slightest attempt to hide it. As far as Lindbaugh......using the word sincere about him is a complete waste of time. The medal from Trump, is an insult and a total sham. btw.....you calling my observations "partisan and biased claptrap".....and musing about "work to do".......shows me that you are working far too hard to provide a nakedly immoral Trump with some form of fig leaves. In future you can simply refer to me, as "Ground Control" Wanna-B-Fanboy and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Partisan Obama prosecutor holdovers and Mueller gang members recommend ridiculously harsh sentence on Stone knowing full well it was going to get pushback from Barr. Then claim to be horrified at "interference". Then quit like theyre martyrs under the jackboot of tyrant Trump knowing full well media buddies at Post and NYT will run that narrative. This is not a scandal. This is cheezy partisan political games that should be called out no matter what ones political persuasion. If you cant see it then Im really not sold on your claims of impartiality and detachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Anyone comparing Dems to trump is a troll, maliciously ignorant or both. It’s not even close. it’s the difference between policy and morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 one of the thinking errors you see nowadays is the idea that if you're criticizing Trump and the GOP then of course you must be a rabidly pro-democrat stooge, because those are the two teams and you have to be a fan of one, right? And it's the way that stupid people argue. "You hate Trump so naturally you must be down with all the sex crime and shitty legislation that Bill Clinton did, right?" Just for the record: "Bill Clinton should go to jail if he raped children on the Air Pedo" and "Trump is a criminal who is a danger to the USA and indeed the world and he needs to not be President ASAP" are not contradictory viewpoints. One can hold them both at once. 17to85, Wanna-B-Fanboy and The Unknown Poster 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Zontar, please bring data to this discussion. What's the normal sentence that someone convicted of multiple counts of perjury and witness tampering gets? Was this sentence out of line with the customary sentence? The proposed sentence was in line with the DoJ's sentencing guidelines for the crimes involved. If the guidelines are unjust, why didn't Barr adjust the guidelines rather than making a specific intervention on Stone's behalf immediately after his boss tweeted his displeasure? It sure looks like someone is worried about Stone spilling what he knows. I know several American prosecutors and it's not surprising to me at all they would go apeshit on charges that interfere with the smooth workings of the legal system. Nothing pisses off a prosecutor more than someone who lies on the stand or tampers with witnesses, because those things can **** up a prosecutors case and they take that more personally than they'd take a random robbery or murder. Prosecutors also love putting people in jail; it's just novel in this case because the perp is an affluent and famous old white dude with suction at the presidential level -- that doesn't happen a ton in the states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, johnzo said: Zontar, please bring data to this discussion. Like the normal sentencing guidelines? That would be like dropping the party line. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, johnzo said: Zontar, please bring data to this discussion. You don't seriously expect this to happen do you? the goof thinks he's "winning" these discussions. I lost interest in this character, except for comic relief the day I saw him using the words "pinko rag". Edited February 13, 2020 by Mark F bb.king, Wanna-B-Fanboy, blue_gold_84 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: When Dems win can they revoke a medal of freedom? Another trump chump. But the real question regarding Limbaugh is now that his lungs are black and don't work, do you think he hates them? Edited February 13, 2020 by blue_gold_84 johnzo, Wanna-B-Fanboy, JCon and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: But the real question regarding Limbaugh is now that his lungs are black and don't work, do you think he hates them? fify JCon and Mark F 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Perfect phone call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Zontar said: If you want your moral outrage at corruption etc to be accepted as genuine then you have to apply the same standard to Democrats you do for Trump. We do. Trouble for you and your ilk is that no democrats act the way republicans do so you are left grasping at false equivalencies because you picked a team and have to cheer for then even in the face of blatant criminality and corruption... and that's the least of their transgressions. johnzo and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: We do. Trouble for you and your ilk is that no democrats act the way republicans do so you are left grasping at false equivalencies because you picked a team and have to cheer for then even in the face of blatant criminality and corruption... and that's the least of their transgressions. Yeah, they wont accept that "Obama wore a tan suit!!" is as bad as Trump trying to bribe a foreign government to investigate his political rivals. Im sure they're really outraged over Rush Limbaugh too, right? Funny you never see those people here express disgust with the bigotry of Trump and his pals. Hmmmm JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 I guess they’ve run out of only the best people and are now recycling them Lol blue_gold_84, JCon and Mark F 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 CNN is starting to get it, ratings must be slipping or something, https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/democrats-need-to-stop-pretending-they-live-in-a-dictatorship-opinion/ar-BBZXTAh?ocid=spartanntp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 17 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Nothing would stop trump from running again. The only issue is that there would be an end to the constant cover up by the GOO in that scenario. Considering Trump has been investigated from day 1 of his presidency, how do you rationalize that he hasn't been charged with anything? My guess is he pushes the envelope to the very edge without actually breaking any laws which is what drives Democrats crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, pigseye said: Considering Trump has been investigated from day 1 of his presidency, how do you rationalize that he hasn't been charged with anything? My guess is he pushes the envelope to the very edge without actually breaking any laws which is what drives Democrats crazy? lol ummm, because the DOJ has a policy that a sitting president cannot be charged. He's actually an unindicted co-conspirator in felonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 hours ago, johnzo said: Zontar, please bring data to this discussion. What's the normal sentence that someone convicted of multiple counts of perjury and witness tampering gets? Was this sentence out of line with the customary sentence? The proposed sentence was in line with the DoJ's sentencing guidelines for the crimes involved. If the guidelines are unjust, why didn't Barr adjust the guidelines rather than making a specific intervention on Stone's behalf immediately after his boss tweeted his displeasure? It sure looks like someone is worried about Stone spilling what he knows. I know several American prosecutors and it's not surprising to me at all they would go apeshit on charges that interfere with the smooth workings of the legal system. Nothing pisses off a prosecutor more than someone who lies on the stand or tampers with witnesses, because those things can **** up a prosecutors case and they take that more personally than they'd take a random robbery or murder. Prosecutors also love putting people in jail; it's just novel in this case because the perp is an affluent and famous old white dude with suction at the presidential level -- that doesn't happen a ton in the states. Obama appointees maxed out every charge with zero nuance. To say a 67 year old gay man presented a clear pnysical threat to anyone is ridiculous. A transparent political stunt not just to get at Stone but Barr. pigseye, Wanna-B-Fanboy and The Unknown Poster 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: lol ummm, because the DOJ has a policy that a sitting president cannot be charged. He's actually an unindicted co-conspirator in felonies. lol, for campaign finance violations, ooh scary stuff, better impeach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, pigseye said: lol, for campaign finance violations, ooh scary stuff, better impeach. You asked why is wasn't charged. I told you even though you already knew it but hoped no one would notice. Who gets to decide which felonies are bad and which ones arent, maybe the guy in jail for those felonies, I dont know. He wasn't impeached for that. Not sure why you love Trump so much but I guess the heart wants what the heart wants. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, pigseye said: lol, for campaign finance violations, ooh scary stuff, better impeach. He has been investigated there is a mountain of evidence against him... AND he self incriminated himself constantly admitting to his illegal and inappropriate actions... Yet because the DoJ and Republican Senate protect him and ig ore the wrong doing you equate that with no evidence of wrong doing? Stand up and pull your head out of your ass. History will not look kindly on this president's reign or the people who blindly supported him. Wanna-B-Fanboy and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 Funny the people that argue against the criminals getting suffering their consequences but Clinton gets a BJ? IMPEACH! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Not sure why you love Trump so much but I guess the heart wants what the heart wants. Good luck! Racism. Trump fanatics dislike the idea of coloured folk and women being equal. They want the white man to have advantages just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said: Funny the people that argue against the criminals getting suffering their consequences but Clinton gets a BJ? IMPEACH! lol Speaking of presidents who were investigated for years... they started trying to dig up dirt on Clinton while Lewinsky was still in high school if memory serves me. That's a witch hunt. They tried the same with Hillary too. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: You asked why is wasn't charged. I told you even though you already knew it but hoped no one would notice. Who gets to decide which felonies are bad and which ones arent, maybe the guy in jail for those felonies, I dont know. He wasn't impeached for that. Not sure why you love Trump so much but I guess the heart wants what the heart wants. Good luck! Cohen didn't specifically name him although everyone knows he paid the porn stars hush money. Almost 4 years of investigation and that is all they could dig up? Trump is so corrupt but after 4 years of constant investigating they can't even name him in the charge because Cohen wouldn't name Trump in his plea deal. Yeah that Trump, he's some sort of big time criminal. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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