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1 hour ago, johnzo said:

My guess is that the post-Presidency Trump will settle into the role of a GOP influencer / kingmaker, taking money, and making tweets and rally appearances.  Fox has been grooming the GOP base for him for a generation; those GOP voters are in the tank for him for good.

Career-minded Republicans are right to be wary of publicly defying him.  Ben Sasse, who was all humphy and nevertrumpy at one point, bent the knee to get a recent endorsement tweet.  Lyin' Ted Cruz started licking the trump boot when Beto gave him a scare in Texas in 2018.  Lindsay Graham, once John McCain's best friend, now just another loudmouth with Trump's hand up his ass.

And I think in order to save their own asses the Republican party will dump Trump like a bad habit. Republican gone rogue dontcha know, also he was a democrat first so that's why he was so corrupt and un-republican. Trust us, we've fixed it now! 'Merica!

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Just now, 17to85 said:

And I think in order to save their own asses the Republican party will dump Trump like a bad habit. Republican gone rogue dontcha know, also he was a democrat first so that's why he was so corrupt and un-republican. Trust us, we've fixed it now! 'Merica!

I dunno how easy it will be for the GOP to quit Trump.  He's got that narcissist superpower of always managing to be the subject of conversation and advancing no matter the tone of that conversation, so Fox and the GOP can't just ghost him.  If Fox and the GOP go hard at him, his tweets will ensure that war burns bright and sucks all the oxygen out of whatever else Fox is trying to hork up at them moment.  He's not just going to go away quietly and paint pictures of wounded soldiers like GWB did.

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2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

I'm not sure exactly how this Administration can square the fact that they made the transcript classified but then released the notes, saying nothing happened. 

They must think everyone is as stupid as they are. 

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Interestingly enough, NYMAG was writing about the Ukraine thing back in May.

Trump Is Pressuring Ukraine to Smear Clinton and Biden

THE NATIONAL INTEREST MAY 10, 2019

In 2016, Donald Trump’s campaign learned Russia was working to help him win, and many of its members actively sought to exploit that assistance. In 2020, now possessing the powers of the Executive branch, it’s pressuring a foreign government to assist Trump’s reelection campaign. The effort consists of Trump’s agents lobbying Ukraine to smear his political rivals.

The smear campaign is being run by Rudy Giuliani, who — perhaps operating on the theory that a massive scandal boasted about in the media by its perpetrators is less damaging than one uncovered by investigators — is broadcasting his scheme. “There’s nothing illegal about it,” he tells the New York Times. “Somebody could say it’s improper.”

Well, yes, they could. It’s grossly, terrifyingly improper.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/trump-giuliani-ukraine-smear-biden-russia.html

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And NewsWeek in March.  If anyone doesn't by now realize that Sean Hannity is total slime by now, there is little hope for you.

HOW DONALD TRUMP AND SEAN HANNITY ARE PROMOTING THEORY UKRAINE INTERFERED IN 2016 ELECTION TO HELP HILLARY CLINTON

 

"As Ukraine prepares for its presidential elections on March 31, collusion with a foreign country and President Donald Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort have made their way into the public discourse. And President Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr., and the president's favorite television presenter Sean Hannity are helping the conversation along, alleging that anti-corruption leaders in Ukraine tried to sway the U.S. election in favor of Hillary Clinton.

It all started on March 5, when U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch criticized the country's record on corruption, pointing to a recent high court decision to decriminalize illicit enrichment—when a public official has significant increases to their wealth or assets that cannot be explained by their income. Ambassador Yovanovitch specifically noted that the high court's decision weakens Ukraine's National Anti-Corruption Bureau, a law enforcement body established after a pro-Western movement ousted pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych in 2014.

From there, Ukraine's officials went on the offensive, appearing to target the bureau. Ukraine's Prosecutor General, Yuriy Lutsenko, announced on U.S.-based Hill Television earlier this month that he was opening a probe into alleged efforts by Ukrainians to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Those efforts, he said, involved the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau, Artem Sytnyk. He also alleged that U.S. ambassador Yovanovitch had attempted to pressure him not to prosecute certain people, a claim the State Department denied in an email to Radio Free Europe."

"Previous reports suggested that Ukraine's government may have stopped cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Manafort so that the Trump administration would sell the country lethal weapons with which to defend itself from pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. And a Ukranian court ruled in December last year that the National Anti-Corruption Bureau's transparency efforts were an attempt to influence U.S. elections.

Olga Lautman, an investigator covering Russia and the former Soviet Union, told Newsweek that Lutsenko recently met with Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani in Washington, and that the efforts to create a narrative about people in Ukraine working to help Clinton and hurt Trump was coordinated with Republican leaders."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-sean-hannity-theory-ukraine-colluded-hillary-clinton-1376867

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Trump won't get out of this. 

How many will go down with him.  His nauseating daughter and her spouse maybe?

I suspect a lot of people have been holding back, while he appeared to be in total command, who may now have the courage to speak.

Deutsche Bank money laundering for example.

 

 

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