Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

So here is the master plan, Flynn was 'taken out' before he could expose the 'Russian Hoax'. Have to hand it to Trump team, they are imaginative if nothing else,

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"And I think it's because, you know, Flynn had a bull's-eye on his back. People like Comey, McCabe, Brennan and Clapper all knew that once Flynn took the helm...as national security adviser, he would expose the Russia hoax," Jarrett stated. "And so they went after him with a vengeance. They targeted him, and they got rid of him."

 

59 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

Trump has allowed this to proceed because of the Burr's committee concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. 

Take note, GOPers, if you tell the truth about the Trump Swamp, they'll take you down. 

What a weird administration.  

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

What a weird administration.  

Reporters should be also required to perform a face plant and touch their forelocks, whenever Trump or Pence grace them with their presence.....

 

 

                                                          

 

 

                                              

 

 



 

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Be well and at peace.

 

 

                                                       

Burr stepping down as chairman of Senate intelligence committee.   Just like trump wanted.  

35 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Burr stepping down as chairman of Senate intelligence committee.   Just like trump wanted.  

Yet Loffler is still free....

29 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Yet Loffler is still free....

Its not that Burr shouldnt be busted.  He should.  But the Trump admin is playing games and targeting people that arent helping them with the cover up.  Its nuts.  

Trump Calls for Obama to Be Hauled Before Congress for Massive Crimes He Declines to Outline

“I understand President Trump’s frustration, but be careful what you wish for,” Lindsey Graham responded.
Rachel Olding
Breaking News Editor
Updated May. 14, 2020 12:53PM ET / Published May. 14, 2020 11:56AM ET 
If President Donald Trump’s Twitter feed is an indication of where his head is at, his thoughts on Thursday morning were far from the 84,000 Americans that have died from COVID-19.

The president’s morning obsessions included Barack Obama, a government whistleblower, his 22-0 record on congressional endorsements, and unspecified “good numbers” coming out of states that have begun to wind back pandemic-related shutdowns.

In a tweet tagging Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, Trump called for former President Obama to be brought before Congress to testify about unspecified crimes that Trump thinks constitutes the biggest scandal in history.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/

Attempt to dismiss Flynn charges upended as court appoints former judge to probe possible perjury

The judge will also "present arguments in opposition" of the DOJ's motion to dismiss criminal charges against Flynn

 

IGOR DERYSH

MAY 14, 2020 4:42PM (UTC)

A retired federal judge has been appointed to "present arguments in opposition" of the Department of Justice's motion to dismiss criminal charges against former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn.

U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, in an extraordinary move, appointed retired judge John Gleeson to not only oppose the government's motion but also present arguments on "whether the court should issue an order to show cause why Mr. Flynn should not be held in criminal contempt for perjury." Sullivan put a hold on the Justice Department's motion to drop the charges earlier this week.

https://www.salon.com/2020/05/14/attempt-to-dismiss-flynn-charges-upended-as-court-appoints-former-judge-to-probe-possible-perjury/

6 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Trump Calls for Obama to Be Hauled Before Congress for Massive Crimes He Declines to Outline

“I understand President Trump’s frustration, but be careful what you wish for,” Lindsey Graham responded.
Rachel Olding
Breaking News Editor
Updated May. 14, 2020 12:53PM ET / Published May. 14, 2020 11:56AM ET 
If President Donald Trump’s Twitter feed is an indication of where his head is at, his thoughts on Thursday morning were far from the 84,000 Americans that have died from COVID-19.

The president’s morning obsessions included Barack Obama, a government whistleblower, his 22-0 record on congressional endorsements, and unspecified “good numbers” coming out of states that have begun to wind back pandemic-related shutdowns.

In a tweet tagging Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, Trump called for former President Obama to be brought before Congress to testify about unspecified crimes that Trump thinks constitutes the biggest scandal in history.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/

In Trump's twisted mind, he thinks that Obama won't appear (which he shouldn't given an absence of....anything) and therefore he won't have to appear or face charges once he is ousted from the White House.  

Edited May 14, 20205 yr by Wideleft

The judge who sentenced Roger Stone to prison orders Trump administration to turn over Ukraine emails
The Trump administration has refused to publicly release 20 emails pertaining to withheld military aid to Ukraine

ALEX HENDERSON
MAY 14, 2020 3:18PM (UTC)

The Trump Administration has been refusing to publicly release 20 e-mails pertaining to President Donald Trump's decision to withhold military aid to Ukraine in 2019, insisting that executive privilege protects them from having to do so. But Amy Berman Jackson, the federal judge and Barack Obama appointee who sentenced Trump ally Roger Stone to three years in federal prison, disagrees — and she has ordered the Trump Administration to release the e-mails.

https://www.salon.com/2020/05/14/judge-who-sentenced-roger-stone-to-prison-orders-trump-administration-to-turn-over-ukraine-emails_partner/

 

In the Flynn case, its actually a major development.  The Judge is clearly pissed.  I think he's either looking to have this mockery put into the record by someone that wont be easily dismissed or hes looking for a reason to dismiss the DOJ motion and sentence Flynn.  This is all about Trump being able to avoid a pardon that will look bad and of undoing Mueller.  The likelihood is the Judge accepts the DOJ motion but he's not doing so without some roadblocks.

Regarding this Obamagate nonsense, what is striking is you've got a DOJ completely controlled by Trump interests.  They can literally get any intelligence they want.  Do any investigations they want.  And they cant find a single thing to criticize about Obama.  Trump is now making this election Trump vs Obama.  And why he thinks he can win that is anyones guess.  I assume he's trying to rally the racists.

I demand that certain posters on this board be banned immediately, for inappropriate comments, that I would rather not outline.....

4 minutes ago, do or die said:

I demand that certain posters on this board be banned immediately, for inappropriate comments, that I would rather not outline.....

#MORNINGBIGBLUEGATE

5 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

#MORNINGBIGBLUEGATE

Incredible abuses committed by disgruntled posters.  You don't need anymore details, everybody knows about it.

And so it begins, I expect the ratings are going to be huge for this episode,

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“The unmasking of General Flynn by the Obama Administration regarding conversations during the presidential transition are deeply troubling and smell of politics, not national security,” Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a statement Wednesday. “The unmasking of General Flynn by the Obama Administration regarding conversations during the presidential transition are deeply troubling and smell of politics, not national security.”

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Meanwhile, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said he was “greatly disturbed” by the list of unmasking requests concerning Flynn and said that the newly released information “gives a window into possible abuses of power motivated by political decisions, by individuals at the highest levels of government, including Vice President Joe Biden.”

 

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The heightened speculation came after Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Ron Johnson, R-Wis., made public a list of Obama officials who purportedly requested to “unmask” the identity of Flynn, who at the time was Trump’s incoming national security adviser.

The list was declassified by Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell and sent to Grassley and Johnson.

The roster featured top-ranking figures including then-Vice President Joe Biden, then-FBI Director James Comey, then-CIA Director John Brennan, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and Obama’s then-chief of staff Denis McDonough.

 

 

Uh oh, someone lied to Congress and it wasn't a Trumpkin this time,

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During the impeachment hearings, many witnesses were questioned about their knowledge of the Biden-Burisma connection, and the firm's reputation in Ukraine. Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, during House testimony last year, said she didn't have much knowledge about the firm, and noted that she only learned of its connection to Biden through "press reports" she read while preparing for her Senate confirmation hearing.

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But through a Citizens United Freedom of Information Act request for emails related to Burisma sent by former deputy assistant secretary of state for Europe and Eastern Europe George Kent, the organization obtained more than 160 pages of emails and memos sent during the fall of 2016, including communications between Yovanovitch and U.S. Embassy officials about Burisma Holdings and documents indicating that she met with a representative of the firm at the embassy in December 2016.

 

Edited...ill just leave an LOL

Edited May 14, 20205 yr by The Unknown Poster

 

25 minutes ago, pigseye said:

And so it begins, I expect the ratings are going to be huge for this episode,

 

 

Okay so let's turn the page on this alleged Obamagate and the unmasking of FLynn.

Unmasking (asking the identity of otherwise anonymous individuals caught up in surveillance) is common.  Happens thousands of times a year (or at least the requests are into the thousands).

Flynn got caught up in this because he was communicating with people who were under surveillance.  Flynn was not identified in those reports.  When someone asks for an unidentified person to be unmasked its because they dont know who they are.  So any suggestion Biden or anyone else asked to unmask Flynn because they wanted to get Flynn is simply hogwash.  

But it does explain why Obama told Trump not to hire Flynn.  He knew he was in trouble.  Obama did the right thing.

The only issue Trump can be pissy about is that someone leaked to the press that Flynn had these conversations with foreign parties which started the road down for Flynn.   In other words, Trump is mad Flynn got caught.  And the reason the FBI knew Flynn was laying when he said he never discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador is because they had the ambassador under surveillance and caught Flynn in that surveillance. 

Why would Flynn lie?   Because he knew what he did was bad.  Which is what he plead guilty to.  Lying.  He did it.

All of this is designed to protect some of the awful people around Trump and try to undo Mueller.  Its Trump's campaign strategy.  He has nothing to run on for re-election.  Economy is awful.  Tens of thousands of Americans are dead due to Trump's bungling.  He's an international embarrassment.  The country is more divided than almost ever before.  He has nothing,

So he has to run on "we're bad, but they were too."  He's trying to chill voters away from voting for Biden.

Anyone above a grade 3 education can see this.  You'd have to be incredibly aligned with the values of a racist sexual abuser to buy into this stuff and defend it.  Im glad none of us are.

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

Okay so let's turn the page on this alleged Obamagate and the unmasking of FLynn.

Unmasking (asking the identity of otherwise anonymous individuals caught up in surveillance) is common.  Happens thousands of times a year (or at least the requests are into the thousands).

Flynn got caught up in this because he was communicating with people who were under surveillance.  Flynn was not identified in those reports.  When someone asks for an unidentified person to be unmasked its because they dont know who they are.  So any suggestion Biden or anyone else asked to unmask Flynn because they wanted to get Flynn is simply hogwash.  

But it does explain why Obama told Trump not to hire Flynn.  He knew he was in trouble.  Obama did the right thing.

The only issue Trump can be pissy about is that someone leaked to the press that Flynn had these conversations with foreign parties which started the road down for Flynn.   In other words, Trump is mad Flynn got caught.  And the reason the FBI knew Flynn was laying when he said he never discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador is because they had the ambassador under surveillance and caught Flynn in that surveillance. 

Why would Flynn lie?   Because he knew what he did was bad.  Which is what he plead guilty to.  Lying.  He did it.

All of this is designed to protect some of the awful people around Trump and try to undo Mueller.  Its Trump's campaign strategy.  He has nothing to run on for re-election.  Economy is awful.  Tens of thousands of Americans are dead due to Trump's bungling.  He's an international embarrassment.  The country is more divided than almost ever before.  He has nothing,

So he has to run on "we're bad, but they were too."  He's trying to chill voters away from voting for Biden.

Anyone above a grade 3 education can see this.  You'd have to be incredibly aligned with the values of a racist sexual abuser to buy into this stuff and defend it.  I'm glad none of us are.

Well, not all of us.....

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

Okay so let's turn the page on this alleged Obamagate and the unmasking of FLynn.

Unmasking (asking the identity of otherwise anonymous individuals caught up in surveillance) is common.  Happens thousands of times a year (or at least the requests are into the thousands).

Flynn got caught up in this because he was communicating with people who were under surveillance.  Flynn was not identified in those reports.  When someone asks for an unidentified person to be unmasked its because they dont know who they are.  So any suggestion Biden or anyone else asked to unmask Flynn because they wanted to get Flynn is simply hogwash.  

But it does explain why Obama told Trump not to hire Flynn.  He knew he was in trouble.  Obama did the right thing.

The only issue Trump can be pissy about is that someone leaked to the press that Flynn had these conversations with foreign parties which started the road down for Flynn.   In other words, Trump is mad Flynn got caught.  And the reason the FBI knew Flynn was laying when he said he never discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador is because they had the ambassador under surveillance and caught Flynn in that surveillance. 

Why would Flynn lie?   Because he knew what he did was bad.  Which is what he plead guilty to.  Lying.  He did it.

All of this is designed to protect some of the awful people around Trump and try to undo Mueller.  Its Trump's campaign strategy.  He has nothing to run on for re-election.  Economy is awful.  Tens of thousands of Americans are dead due to Trump's bungling.  He's an international embarrassment.  The country is more divided than almost ever before.  He has nothing,

So he has to run on "we're bad, but they were too."  He's trying to chill voters away from voting for Biden.

Anyone above a grade 3 education can see this.  You'd have to be incredibly aligned with the values of a racist sexual abuser to buy into this stuff and defend it.  Im glad none of us are.

You over estimate the intelligence of the average Merican (sorrry to all Americans out there but it's true).

The truth is what you can convince people to believe. 

Just now, pigseye said:

You over estimate the intelligence of the average Merican (sorrry to all Americans out there but it's true).

The truth is what you can convince people to believe. 

And some here too.  But are you admitting you post things you know are untrue in an effort to convince people otherwise?