Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

 

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

WOw... 

 

It's true though, these times are tough for young men, old men, even middle-aged men... if you believe sexual assault is acceptable

Edited October 2, 20187 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

Wow

if true, every senator should vote no. 

 

New York Times are starting to poke around Trumps business, finance and tax reporting.

2 hours ago, bustamente said:

New York Times are starting to poke around Trumps business, finance and tax reporting.

Huge story (as in very long, very detailed). Tough to say if here are criminal elements (statute and such) but apparently fines have no statute of limitations. 

If the GOP loses the House, trump is screwed. They will be able to subpoena everything. 

 

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Huge story (as in very long, very detailed). Tough to say if here are criminal elements (statute and such) but apparently fines have no statute of limitations. 

If the GOP loses the House, trump is screwed. They will be able to subpoena everything. 

 

This does not surprise me at all...

Actually what does surprise me is why the hell did it take so long?

Top thread on Reddit right now:

New York state tax department reviewing fraud allegations involving Trump in NYT article

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/new-york-state-tax-department-reviewing-fraud-allegations-involving-trump-in-nyt-article.html

 

 

This is what I meant earlier.  Who cares if he was a drunken frat boy in school?  But he cared and he lied. He was worried about his conduct (hmmmm) and lied. It’s the lies that are the problem 

 

5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

This does not surprise me at all...

Actually what does surprise me is why the hell did it take so long?

The Times has been working on the story for over a year apparently.  Major work done on it. Kudos to them. 

So much for her being "a good witness"...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-mocks-christine-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-supreme-court/index.html

 

When it comes to Trump it's never been about politics to me. The man is just a **** human being through and through.  His downfall (which sadly may never happen) cannot come soon enough. 

2 hours ago, Brandon Blue&Gold said:

So much for her being "a good witness"...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-mocks-christine-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-supreme-court/index.html

 

When it comes to Trump it's never been about politics to me. The man is just a **** human being through and through.  His downfall (which sadly may never happen) cannot come soon enough. 

What a despicable human being. How can anyone defend this. Gross indency. Soulless. 

He just not like the way the investigation is going.

 

Edited October 3, 20187 yr by The Unknown Poster

The hits keep on coming

 

Great Article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/why-i-wouldnt-confirm-brett-kavanaugh/571936/?utm_source=twb

 

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To be clear, I am emphatically not saying that Kavanaugh did what Ford says he did. The evidence is not within 100 yards of adequate to convict him. But whether he did it is not the question at hand. The question at hand is how a reasonable senator should construct the evidence to guide a binary vote for or against elevation of a judge to a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. By my read, we have two witnesses who both profess 100 percent certainty of their position—one whose testimony is wholly credible and marginally corroborated in a number of respects, and the other whose testimony is not credible on a number of important atmospheric points surrounding the alleged event.

It’s not a tie, and it doesn’t go to the nominee.

There’s one more reason I could not vote to confirm Kavanaugh: His apparent lack of candor on the culture of drinking at Georgetown Prep and later is a problem of its own, quite apart from what it may indicate about the truth of Ford’s story. People throw around words like perjury too blithely. I won’t do so here. I will say that I do not believe he showed the sort of candor that warrants the Senate’s—or the public’s—confidence. To the extent some commentators on the right are defending Kavanaugh’s testimony as containing the sort of white lies that anyone might tell under the circumstances, let me just say that I don’t believe that Supreme Court justices get to tell self-exculpating white lies—and I don’t believe in white lies from anyone else either in sworn congressional testimony.

 

5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Great Article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/why-i-wouldnt-confirm-brett-kavanaugh/571936/?utm_source=twb

 

 

Funny how they like to have it both ways.  "This isnt a criminal investigation."  "The evidence isnt nearly enough to convict him."  Its a job interview.  What business anywhere would hire a guy like this based on this background check?

And I agree, lets assume all the sexual assault allegations are untrue.  He's still a liar.  He's still angry and bitter.  He's still a striking partisan.  And then there are his views.  There is literally no reason to elevate him to the Supreme Court.

The GOP acts like its him or no one.  Its not.  They get a pick.  So pick a better one.

More examples of how he lied to the senate. When asked if he was the “BART” in Mike Judge’s book he said, with a smirk, “you’d have to ask him”. BART was his nickname. He knew it. 

And more of the FFFF....why lie about this stuff?   Very guilty conscience 

 

Trumps next book which he will also not write

A complete sham. Question is, do those fence sitting senators have the balls to do the right thing?

 

To me it now looks like his followers would arrest other people right in their own homes. they don't give a damn about who he really is and what he's like. They are revelling in hate, and primed for action.

 

latest Trump rally

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He called Democrats who are against Kavanaugh "evil people" who want to "destroy people."

He reiterated his earlier claims Tuesday that nowadays you are "guilty until proven innocent," and stepped up his line of argument that men are under attack in America, without mentioning survivors of sexual assault.

"Think of your son. Think of your husband," Trump told the rally, noting he has had "many false allegations" against him.
He launched into a hypothetical riff about a young man who got a job at IBM or General Motors but is falsely accused of sexual assault. "What do I do, Mom? What do I do, Mom?" Trump said, role-playing a conversation between a son and mother.

"It's a damn sad situation, OK? And we better start as a country getting smart and getting tough."

Forty million cult followers ready to do whatever they're told.

Did anyone ever think America would sink so low? I didn't.

Edited October 3, 20187 yr by Mark F

 

4 hours ago, Mark F said:

To me it now looks like his followers would arrest other people right in their own homes. they don't give a damn about who he really is and what he's like. They are revelling in hate, and primed for action.

 

latest Trump rally

Forty million cult followers ready to do whatever they're told.

Did anyone ever think America would sink so low? I didn't.

Having spent 5 years living in the USA I'm not convinced it hasn't always been this way.  None of the recent events have surprised me much, it's just a bit more repugnant now that their great leader is trumpeting these values openly.

Dems want Kav to lose the vote because they genuinely believe he’s unfit. But Kav being confirmed is actually good for the Dems in the mid terms. It’s bad for the best 30+ years though. 

GOP....they see a win win. Either he is confirmed and they control the court. Or he’s not and they have their election rallying cry. Some republicans probably want him to lose for that reason. They know he’s unfit. They want to rush the vote and force him to be voted no. 

Thats why the new strategy is to go back to presenting him as a choir boy. Because they dont care if he loses and if he does they want the base to accept he’s a choir boy and was screwed. 

9 hours ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Having spent 5 years living in the USA I'm not convinced it hasn't always been this way.  None of the recent events have surprised me much, it's just a bit more repugnant now that their great leader is trumpeting these values openly.

Think you are right. Its not that long since blacks were lynched. 

Edited October 4, 20187 yr by Mark F

This is what happens when you push wedge politics, primarily fueled and then validated by fear and hatred.  Extremism is no longer lurking at the fringes.  

They absolutely want a no vote. It’s a manipulation now. No other way to explain it. They don’t want him but they won’t pull him.