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Yea...kind of tone deaf for sure.

It's a little cringy...but yea...a joke. Pretty hairbrained of a professional organization to mass email though. If my buddy quipped this over a few beers, I'd laugh but not if it was said to a woman. If my wife heard him she would probably have some choice words and he wouldn't get my protection.

Wasn't a world beater talent wise but he played hard every down he was in. Those are the type of players I can respect.

He wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes on this version of the Bombers. Elliot had immense natural passing talent but a QB that won't execute the play that is called will never last long. Tee Martin deserved a better fate to be sure, but at the end of the day the guy didn't exactly seize his chance either.

Slay is the ultimate hyped up prospect of the past 30 years, Tee Martin...a close second in my book. Wasn't on Lapo at all. Elliot just enjoyed ignoring the play call.

Damn....I really liked Roh when he played here. Just way too young.

Workplace sexual harrassment isn't in an of itself criminal, just disgusting behavior of the highest order but you are half right....Kelly's behavior has now become very conspicuous. I know you wanna hang onto the shred of hope that this is a nothing to see moment in Kelly's career, or even a one off. History has clearly demonstrated this is not the first, and won't be the last time this guy's true character shows up. It really is too bad that a guy with million dollar talent is limited by a 2 cent brain. Not sure I would want to wear a Rider jersey with name on it around Winnipeg. Too many mouth breathers would find that double whammy too enticing to provoke an altercation,

An outstanding program for future CFLers to be sure.

Good thing it's not the 80's or he would get one hell of a rough ride. Can't go there nowadays. Ohhh.....the puns would have wrote themselves.

Mistaken on Schoen. He was found, almost accidentally, by McManus. Was never on our neg list until after McManus scouted him. However, yes, Rigmaiden does know receivers for sure. Wish he was still one of our scouts. EDIT: Just found an article that indicates McManus had him on his radar prior to the KC camp, even though he was there scouting someone else, he decided to also have a look at Schoen at the same time. Was intrigued and an ex-team mate of his Tom Terry was a position coach at KC and McManus grilled him about Schoen to confirm what he was thinking. I am not sure if he was ever on a neg list or not, or if Rigmaiden brought him to the Bomber's attention. Just that McManus wasn't there to scout him, but saw something interesting in him when he watched him and sent tape to Goveia to analyze and obviously TG saw it too. Might be Rigmaiden that initially scouted him? Don't know...but I think you gotta give that one to McManus.

Jim Barker isn't there anymore though. He was a big reason for their scouting success. Barker got to pour over Murphy's database. I am glad those two are not in the front office together anymore. Murphy looks under every rock, and Barker has the knack for finding the best of the lot. Yea...Jim Barker's old buddy came through.

That's fair. THIS isn't...however if we take a walk down the Chad Kelly memory lane... I told you last year this was an inevitability with Kelly. You scoffed and called him a consummate team mate or something like that. That crow tasting good?

MOS has seen his resume and approved of it. Can't say for sure he has military service under his belt but if he does he stands a better chance of making the team.

Fair enough. I will set up my context more carefully next time to designate that it is the majority of fans on their forums and online groups.

This is true. It is all hyperbole at this point. There was an online petition with thousands of signatures for the CFL to overturn Marino's suspension, the call in shows were flooded with comments about it, their forum was heavily supporting Marino with just the odd dissenter. Not much different than a political poll, it's not possible to speak to every Rider fan but based on what is out there in terms of reaction from across various online sources in the sample size my statement holds pretty accurate.

Fine. I don't see any hyperbole in that post at all...but you're the boss. I feel there is nothing untrue or exaggerated in that post whatsoever. Can you at least point me in the direction of what your objection to it is?

Yes exactly right. An organization can only do so much to control the behavior of their players, however, how they respond and react to that situation is 100% in their control. The Riders have been god awful in those situations and it may hurt some sensibilities around here, but the vast majority of their fan base was totally on board the whole time.

It was more than just a few chowderheads. There were online petitions with thousands of signatures to overturn the suspension. Their own radio pxp guy was calling it a conspiracy against the Riders. Don't give me this crap that Rider fans kept a level head through this. There is nothing petty or dumb about reminding them of the stance that a vast majority of their fan base took on Marino, and even refusing to discuss the fact that Marshall is a gang member.

I guess it all depends on where you wanna draw the line. A great deal of the players in this league have somewhat of a checkered past and have made errors in judgement like drinking and driving. However, our team handled these situations like consummate pros by immediately suspending said player. Riders? Not so much. Tried to hide it, played their player despite the story breaking and then after relentless media pressure suspended him for a mean nothing game. That is the difference I am trying to show in my comments. All teams have players making mistakes. Teams like the Bombers address it appropriately, teams like the RIders or Chris Jones led teams sweep it under the carpet and defend their player with a "nothing to see here" attitude. Not in any way, and any player stepping out of line and good character on our team is immediately and appropriately dealt with by our team before the CFL even has to intervene.

Nor did I. I made a comment that lambasted his team, you know the Riders...the ones guilty of doing this. After that he acted like a chucklefuck and then I let him, and chowder heads like him, know what I thought of them. For the sake of clarity, I do not think that ALL Rider fans are like that. I agree.

Yea...it's sleazy,100% inappropriate and clearly workplace harassment.. but I'm not sure it was criminal.

Qft...took him how many attempts to injure before he finally forced the Riders to release Marino.

Exactly. Things were of such low moral standard over there that they felt the need to publicly create a code of conduct due to fan outrage, which they immediately refused to enforce in subsequent years. But hey bring it up and a Riderfan will pull his head out of the sand just long enough to call you an idiot before immediately sticking his head back in. Oblivious thy name is Rider fans.

Coaching is different, but same GM that gleefully signed Nick Marshall to contract after contract despite tweeting pics in gang colors holding a hand gun. One could make a pretty coherent argument that is worse than Kelly's behavior.

Yep Marino..Marshall..the list goes on and on.