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Smart coaches don't play sandlot. What you are describing is sandlot. It doesn't work in the pro game. You absolutely have to be able to pass out of the pocket or you are doomed as a QB. That is why Ford sucked so hard last year. Teams simply spied him and he was done because he could not make them pay for that. It is easy to shut down a running QB, even one as good as Ford, if they don't possess the ability to pass well out of the pocket. No offensive coordinator in the world can make that better. If you can't threaten from the pocket you are done as a QB. There is no ands, ifs. or buts. You start rolling out every play, teams will catch onto that and it is very easy to defend half a field. You start tucking and running every 2nd play they spy you and/or run blitz and you are done. You absolutely have to be competent out of the pocket. We saw the exact same thing happen with Streveler. They simply gave no option to run and dared him to beat them with his arm. He could not. Exactly what teams did to Ford as well.

Yea...I agree....having talent is only half the battle. Ford is a dynamic athlete who struggles to play with a playbook. He is a guy that could probably be converted to another position and excel but as a QB he just doesn't have it. Not at the pro level anyway, I sure hope we don't sign him as a QB.

I'm not even sure he realizes what he has described is pick up football.

You gotta have the horses. KW and staff have brought in nothing but ham and eggers since then. I hear lots about the ones that got away, like Garbutt and Fox. If that is the best two DL we have brought in since 21 that's a pretty sad few years of GMing on our DL. I'm not suggesting MOS made it in any better but look at what they had to work with. Nothing. Even if MOS makes the changes we all wanted to see, we have a pitiful DL today. It's time we put some money towards it. We haven't recruited an impact d-lineman since Sayles. We need to be active in FA on our DL, because we can't recruit worth crap there. I hear a lot, rightfully so, about how much Jake Thomas was playing but all I hear is crickets about what a lousy job our GM and recruiters have done with our DL. Vaughters, that was our one big signing in the last how many years and calling it a big signing is highly debatable. Get some damn stud DL Kyle. Enough is enough. Honestly if we go after Ceresna and don't get him, at least we tried to improve but if KW doesn't even throw his hat into the ring and cheaps out for some guy that has never been better than rotational then he just needs to be fired. Our problem at DL couldn't be more obvious, lack of talent.

Rourke, Kelly, and Alexander were in response to Wbb...it's why the big quote box is there. As for letting him play sandlot, won't ever happen in professional football...ever. You would be the worst offensive coordinator ever. Sandlot is very low % high turnover football.

Running backs are there to run, and extending plays only matters if you can throw. A QB can be great without running (Trevor Harris) but they will never be a good QB without being a good passer. Just doesn't happen. Ford is a crap passer ergo he is a crap QB. In the last 2-3 years we have seen Rourke, Kelly, and Alexander emerge. That's 3 new quality starters in a 9 team league. Im not that worried.

The waste of space stigma while he was a player was totally earned, though not entirely his fault. However, it seems to have carried on into people's objections to him coaching and that is what I was talking about. Some are writing him off as a coach and the guy hasn't coached a game yet. They are translating his last few years as a player as if it directly correlates to how good of a coach he might be. I believe that is unfair. Why would you not want your HC to pick a guy he believes will do well and that he can work with? HC's always pick their favorites amongst guys they are familiar with, to become their coordinators and position coaches. That's not entitlement.

Kinda what you want your QB to be good at though.

Powell is FAR superior to Ford. This isn't even debatable.

There should be no stigma. Direct your disdain for his usage where it belongs. He may very well be an excellent DL coach but many here are writing him off simply because of his name and that is over the top.

I like Crum but wouldn't want him either. If Powell were to shake loose tho.

I don't think coaching will help him much. He's just not a particularly good passer.

He's never been the model of lean and mean, but not many DTs are. The guy played with heart, and worked hard as a player. Not sure why there is so much vitriol when his name is mentioned....or at least why it's being directed towards him.

As a QB he serves no purpose to any team right now. One could argue 3rd string, but I'd rather have a guy who hasn't washed out at that position.

How did he earn the stigma and bias against him? What specifically did he do? I get that his usage was awful, but how is that on him? Imo, he is being unfairly criticized for playing a role that his coaches asked of him. He signed a contract and went on the field when he was told to do so. We can hate the role he played but now it is carrying over into dislike for him personally and that isn't fair for us to do.

Would have to come fairly cheap tho.

I agree totally that he was an obstacle as a player. That, however, has absolutely nothing to do with my post. Some people, without seeing any results whatsoever are pegging him as a bust as a coach. That assessment can only be created by a massive bias against him.

It would be nice to have a backup plan for Vaval for sure. Trey is going to excel this year...gut feeling....but we have seen very little depth at KR/PR in recent years and it would be nice to have.

A new C will help a lot but I would like to see at least one really good addition in FA.

I agree. When heads are swiveling around looking in the secondary their feet tend to slow down too and that's where guys get wide open. With slippery guys like we have that will be tough on opposing secondaries. Further to that, I think Demski and White are both exceptional at finding open space on broken plays, and Zach is very good at exploiting teams in that scenario as well.

All we are going to need from JT is an understanding of what defensive fronts Younger wants and for him to be able to get his DL to execute them. It's not rocket science. He will be fine. Technique is something that all the guys on the line help each other with anyway. He's not going to be the guy who reinvents our DL. He is going to be the guy who observes them and gives Younger the scoop on what they do well, and where they need improvement so that Younger can maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. By all accounts JT was a film hawk already as a player, so this should be right up his alley. He will study film hard to look for things that can be exploited on the oppositions OL and report his findings to Younger so he can put them in a position to exploit them.

Especially when we don't even know if Winnipeg had any interest in Mack. That being said I would have preferred Mack, but White is outstanding at keeping the opposing defensive backfield off balance. The cannot lose track of him and he is very good at slipping out of coverage. What he does opens other guys up as well. He and Demski are both very good at that. Now we just need a legit 50/50 guy.

I guess we should just fire JT now. Obviously he has nothing to offer. Sad, that the hate is so strong for a guy that showed up to play for us game in and game out. We may not like his usage over the past few years but now we are blaming him for it.

Pretty much just offsets what we paid Schoen last year

Ceresna is a beast. He won't need to learn technique from JT that's for sure. However, JT is an excellent X's and O's guy. That part of it all our guys should be listening too.