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GM has final say. If Walters didn't like the marine he could have released him, He's the guy that makes the call to the league office. Again, we are striving to let Walters off the hook around here. GM has final say on who is available to any coach. Just a cold hard fact. I look at all the complaints about who was rostered and still see nobody better behind them with maybe the exception of Jake Thomas. If Walters stays I hope WM gives him a very short leash because he has been Waldo for two years now. Walters CAN be a very good GM, he needs to show up to work tho. That being said, I hope we clean house.

Unless you are sitting on Wade Miller's lap the past few weeks, it would be hard to find info from anyone else imo. None that is particularly credible. There are those who are pretty good at reading the tea leaves, but I doubt anything has been discussed outside of the mafia right now. They know wassup and that is probably it. That being said, I think Atomic's post is a likely scenario.

Yes we could use a guy like Drew Desjarlais back. Maybe Manu frees up....lol.

Not sure. There are some every year though. Last year alone we lost two in FA.

Yep, that being said we need to add two stud NATs imo.

Seems to be for sure. I don't think we replace Collaros this year because there doesn't seem to be many options and he has a large portion of his salary guaranteed. However, I think our QB room behind him is getting a massive shake up. I don't see Streveler or Wilson back.

It all depends how willing we are to free up cash elsewhere. We saw the Riders OL go from hot garbage to pretty good in an offseason. No reason we can't do the same. What we will need to do is cut some dead weight salary though. Jefferson/BO buys some nice beef along our lines. I don't give a crap that BO has been our supposed heart and soul. He is a RB and RBs are expendable if a team needs to free up cash. I will add the caveat though, one that has escaped KW over the past few years, that if you are cutting ties with an all star NAT it better be to bring another one in.

If we get a new GM/HC their philosophy likely changes and we will see a ton more departure than just those three areas. Player here in the secondary/QB/RB, on STs, in depth are all here because they fit the mold of what we were looking for. I would not be surprised at all to see a new GM come in and immediately change our pay structure at many positions....RB for example. If we get a pass happy coach especially a player like BO may be deemed a luxury but not a must have....and honestly I'm ok with that.

OK that's fair. They are connected at the hip. Bottom line tho, if KW does his job he reigns in MOS. For all intents and purposes are criticisms of MOS are in one area, roster building. A good GM would have cracked the whip on that based on results and MOS's mistakes would not be happening over years. KW at the end of the day is his boss, like any employee MOS needs a boss to keep him on point not a boss who lets him do whatever he wants. If a boss allows an employee to do whatever they want and repeat mistakes are they a good boss? Do they deserve the benefit of the doubt even if it is the star employee? I would rather get rid of a bad boss than an employee who was given no direction.

Sorry you are butt hurt that someone doesn't believe completely unsubstantiated rumors from an anonymous internet poster. I believe someone putting their actual name to something, and citing their sources, 100000x more than a guy who claims to have inside access but is wrong more often than he is right when he cites it. You have not given me, or any other person here, any reason to believe you with anything more than a "trust me bro". You might have these amazing connections to the team you brag about, but you just as easily might be full of ****. Both are likely, with based on the history of team forums, the latter being 100x more likely. You are an anonymous person on a fan forum claiming to have inside the locker room knowledge. If you think that I am alone on my skepticism over your claims you are mistaken. I am just a member willing to put my skepticism out there. Don't take it personal, it's just that you have provided nothing to back up your insider knowledge claims therefore we have to go off your accuracy level when citing it and it isn't great.

We can go two directions this offseason. A partial rebuild or a full tear down. There is a big difference. The full rebuild depends on management/coaching change imo.

Yes..but only because if he leaves we will be massively rebuilding

I'm not defending MOS, and I can give you a laundry list of poor GMing over the past 3 years as well but crickets about that. We don't play Dolegala in a Grey Cup and MOS is the worst coach ever, we lose an all star team of talent in two off seasons and it's all nothing to see here...carry on. It just seems over the top. Even have some posters suggesting that Walters did a great job but MOS ruined it which is insane. MOS is likely going to Toronto so we don't need to worry about him coming back, but KW should be given the shoe as well,

True. However, I am simply pointing out the pretty disproportionate amount of blame being assigned to each around here. And I don't believe that after 10 years that is particularly applicable in this case.

There is absolutely no reason in the world we couldn't sign both Lawler and Schoen. We had just done it the year before.

ATM. I'm not seeing how we can compete otherwise. Unless we go big in FA at NAT OL, we don't have the horses in house to be a good OL without 3 IMPs. I would target a good NAT OL if I were Walters replacement. I'm with you on that. If he takes a shave fine, but not at 200k. Those days are behind him. I would not bring back every OL, but you are right a couple newcomers could make all the difference.

How is his record for the past 3 years damning? This year definitely. However, the two years before that he has West division champs and Grey Cup reps on his resume. If you think that's damning you are huffing paint fumes. The only people who would call that failure are living on cloud 9. Did we win the cup...nope. However, winning your division and becoming your division's cup rep isn't something that any reasonable person would call failure. What was clear in the past 3-5 years is that Walters allowed a huge talent drain to happen. That is undeniable. If anyone should be on the hot seat it is him. MOS as well to a lesser extent, but I will be extremely disappointed if Walters is our GM going forward. If he is then he needs to wake up and start doing his job. I can live with MOS coming back with a new GM that actually holds him to account. MOS is a great coach who needs to get out of his own way on a few things. If Walters had done his job maybe we aren't even discussing MOS's rosters etc. At the end of the day, the buck stops with Walters on both talent, and on the performance of the HC. I am really unclear why so many people are hyper focused on MOS (not that he doesn't deserve criticism as well) but barely a word about just how poor Walters has been over the past 3 years especially.

Nope, my name's not Booch. It was discussed on Winnipeg Sports Talk by Andrew Paterson a couple weeks ago or so. He qualified it as something that he never heard directly from anyone in the organization but was making it's rounds amongst the media. Apparently he showed up to camp out of shape, and then wasn't happy about his playing time and let everyone know about it. Don't have a date or a time, but it's on one of their podcasts if you care to dig deeper.

Jonathan Jones sucked when we did play him and was reportedly no better in the dressing room. I get you wanna defend him because you really built him up as our next Bighill...but the reality is he was a swing and a miss by Walters not MOS. We got enuff reasons to not shed a tear if MOS leaves but JJ isn't one of them. Our biggest mistake was keeping him around too long when he became a cancer

I am physically sick to my stomach. I am giving away my Grey Cup tix to Hamilton fans

If Brady doesn't want to be here at a reasonable price I'm good with him moving on

My opinion is that they can easily get back to where we were at but they need Wadzilla to remind them that we don't live on past results.

Can't argue with any of that. Some poor gm work compounded by poor coaching. That is our decline in a nutshell

Not nearly as bad as Tui showed. Did he play Centre..no..did he show an inability to block..yes. Excellent as the 6th in heavy sets is not a ringing endorsement. I am not pleased with Kola but let's not pretend Tui offered more. Our centre position could have and should have been addressed in the offseason but our GM was not up to the task

That speaks to our lack of depth