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Tell that to Patterson. You guys keep suggesting that OSH never moves on from anyone, until he does and then pretend it didn't happen. Hogan may have been a mental health cheerleader but it worked and quite frankly BO needs it. McManus is the best for sure. We can dream.

Player quality does not equate to coach quality. There is no correlation whatsoever. Quit trying to sell that as a reason to criticize this move. One has nothing to do with the other.

Sankey is not that great of a MLB. He is great against the run and sucks against the pass....even worse than T.Jones. Why would we replace T Jones with his more expensive doppelganger. We had experience in Patterson. He was the worst DL coach we've had maybe ever. You would prefer we kept him? Some guys are natural coaches some aren't. It's not necessarily experience that counts the most in that regard. Just because JT didn't display much tech doesn't mean he doesn't know it. His whole career was about effort, not tech, he wasn't physically built or skilled enough for it. Doesn't mean he can't teach it to those that are though. Like I said, many of his ex and current DL team mates have raved about what he brings to the table cerebrally. Maybe that can translate into being a good coach if he can articulate it. I'm not saying he is necessarily a great pick for the job, what I'm saying it that this is not a move we can criticize right now. Not without bias anyway.

Problem players? Why cause he aged out and he was asked to do too much at his age? I don't follow your logic here? JT executed the plan he was given to the best of his ability...how is that a problem player? As for Hogan having the best RB in the league, yes that certainly helps but he also helped develop BO into that. BO didn't enter the league as the best. You guys are literally hating on JT himself because the coach tapped him on the shoulder to go in and play and he did. I understand not liking him being on the field but you guys need to tone down the overall Jake hate. He's a 13 year retired veteran now who is taking an entry level coaching job for the only team he ever played for. Why are you inventing narrative about this?

Stegall always said his ego would never allow him to be a good coach. He is very self aware in that regard.

You are just hating for the sake of hating. None of what you are saying is anything but worst case scenaro. Tons of players have gone straight from playing into position coaches. You are suggesting he knew nothing of technique in 13 years of professional ball? Baloney. That's completely untrue. Whether or not he can teach what he know is 100% unknown. You cannot with any credibility say he will be a bad coach anymore than anyone can say he will be great at it. None of us can know that. The coaches have identified him as a potentially good coach, and this is something that has been suggested about him for many, many years by many of the players who have played with him, They have stated that JT knows the game and knows the position and was a leader out there. Why have such a hate on for JT? Did he sleep with your woman or something?

Might be the case with Manu as well if he stays South for an extended period. Mulumba tried to force us to trade him, we told him to retire. If Manu is a quitter like Mulumba he can do the same, if he wants to play it's with us OR we trade him on our terms.

Collaros came in trade, but yea that is a good point.

Buffet managers can make good coin and still get to eat for free...lol. Just saying in case Kola's reading.

Exactly, I really don't understand the level of hate for Jake Thomas with some around here. Was he good the last few years? Nope. but it's not like he didn't try or bleed blue and gold. We are literally suggesting that the club should have cut ties with him permanently because he was too old to play well anymore and that is absolutely nuts. Some guys have gone off the deep end on the Jake Thomas hate train around here. I don't know if he will be a good coach, but I can't see any reason why he might not be. We'll see. We need to at least give him a chance. Exactly. He stepped aside as a player and we still get the benefit of his experience and locker room worth. I can't believe people are viewing this so negatively.

I agree he played badly, but that is mostly because of his own physical limitations. From all accounts through the years he was a very smart player that had physical limits. I think he might be a very good coach. I think that BO's problem was the play calling of Hogan, not with the man himself. Pros can make the differentiation. Could be because Hogan was a very good RB coach for us before. Why not give Jake a chance? What do you know of his ability to do that? Nothing. Just assumptions. No consequences of mediocrity? Tell that to the guy Jake just replaced or the demoted Hogan. They are feeling the consequences.

You realize that Hogan was our RB coach before when BO had his best years right? I think these are great moves for our organization.

He can't be as bad as Patterson was and if it takes him off the field it's a double win. Are you seriously complaining about this? Jake is a long time veteran DL of our club and league, he has a ton he can teach. That doesn't necessarily mean he will be a good coach but excluding his chances of being one based on his playing career doesn't make sense either. Look at Ryan Dinwiddie, guy was a career backup and barely at that and is a great coach. I'm willing to give him a chance, and at the same time get rid of Patterson who was god awful.

Some of the contracts have been baffling for sure.

Last year's inaction has provided him with a great opportunity to use up last year's SMS, so far it appears like he is at least doing that 4 months too late.

Whether it's FA. or trade, he can't bring mediocrity to camp in his signings anymore. All we've seen over the past 3 years is KW mismanage the SMS so that allstars leave for more cash only to be replaced by middle of the road FA talent. That can't happen anymore, our well of all-stars is dry. Time after time we chose cheap over performance and look what it got us last year. He has to do whatever it takes to free up the cash to be effective, if that means making hard choices on Bombers who are underperforming on their salary level so be it. The BO contract shows me that he still does not understand that concept though.

Sounds like they like Fajardo more than Kelly. Tells me all I need to know about how Kelly is perceived around the league.

True. His loss in that case. We can trade him or tell him to retire then like we did with Mulumba

I would like to see us sign a top Nat OL, keep our secondary, totally revamp the DL, and sign the best two receivers available, and add some depth with guys left after the initial FA frenzy

I would speculate that Hogan and Jackson just didn't mesh together. It happens.

Sankey is over rated and I would rather be have T.Jones. However, I want to see this year's camp to have some proven CFL talent challenging incumbents at every position groups. We don't play rookies unless they stand out, and that is only OK if you mix rookies with CFL proven talent to challenge at camp. Having 24 starters, a handful of 2nd year players, all rookies cannot be feasible if your organization likes to slow roll rookies. Also, the CFL talent has to be correctly identified. We saw maybe some of the worst GMing in Bomber history in our FA signings last year. Just atrocious.

KW is responsible for who comes to camp. 100% on him. Terrible GMing last offseason. He needs a big offseason this year.

We drafted him. We own his CFL rights in perpetuity.

Yep..as i said take it with a grain of salt. It is overheard chat in physio room. I don't mind Condell at all. He's a good experienced OC. He is what we needed

We own his rights. Not his choice.