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Yes and no. His contract was expired but he had committed to return then changed his mind and left South. It also happened to Chris Jones going to Edmonton as well though. Pretty much every coach hired since the management cap went into place has had some of the past coaches forced on them.

Happens all the time with just about every team. That is why, for instance, Craig Dickenson had to inherit all of Chris Jones staff. Basically most HC contracts are 2-3 years, almost all coordinators are 2 years, and positional coaches go year to year. Almost every new coach nowadays is inheriting some of the last teams coaches because the management cap doesn`t allow everyone to be fired. Now, because Hogan was a rookie OC it is possible that he signed for one however no coordinators will normally even talk to you unless you are offering a 2 year deal. it`s the standard deal length for coordinators. Maybe Walters and Osh gave him a prove it contract, but it would be unusual.

It was mentioned on the forum here during the season. I never questioned the validity of the posters statement as most coordinator, nearly all, run 2 years. At any rate, lets say that he was given an unusual one year deal, you still don`t talk to anyone if the plan is to bring him back. It would be monumentally stupid to do so.

You don`t talk to other guys unless the job is open. Hogan still has a year left on his contract. It would be incredibly unprofessional to talk to other guys while your guy has a year left on his contract unless you were dumping him. I mean think about it, if your plan is to bring the guy back you show confidence in him, you don`t publically make it look like you might replace him. That sets him up to be a dead duck coach. I have ran businesses for many years and letting an employee catch wind that he might be replaced is a recipe for disaster. You NEVER do that. Normally I would agree if there was one media report, but there have now been several reporting the Bombers are looking for a new OC.

Perkins has a some mechanics issues with his throws that contribute to a pretty slow delivery but he is very mobile and big. I like it. I like him. Hopefully he picks up the Canadian game well. The knock on him is that he doesn't read defences very well, We'll see I guess.

Miller doesn't thrill me either. Red flags all around him. He does seem to be highly regarded by his peers but there is something smelly there and he would be another rookie OC in our league. Condell has a good passing game, and hiring him would signal to me that we are not going to re-sign Brady so that should be interesting.

I hope not.

Hogan's gone. It couldn't be more apparent. Several media reports from several media people and teams reporting that the Bombers have asked permission to talk to members of their staff about the job. I don't expect the Bombers to fly a banner behind a plane announcing it. They are classier than that. They are not doing this for optics. To do such a thing would be absolutely moronic and unprecedented in pro sports really.

Mike Oshea is a better coach and has forgotten more about football than any of us on this forum. I can't believe the huberus some people have here to think they are smarter than a coach who is going to go down as one of the greatest Bomber coaches ever. We sit and bang our gums, but not a single of us knows the whole picture and are privy to all the info. What we consider a terrible decision sometimes is actually the right move because the coach actually has all the info that we will never be privy too. It seems remarkably stupid to me that we sit around and pretend we know the inner workings of the club better than our HC. Wilson completed zero passes. ZERO. Don't care why. Doesn't matter. Didn't complete a ball. Every QB who plays like **** can point to a receiver dropping a ball or how close the pass was to being complete. Zero completions is zero completions. He couldn't get it done and it is wholly unrealistic for anyone to believe he could have, or JD for that matter. The Argo defence was eating our QBs for breakfast.

The lengths some people will go to here to criticize our coach. Dolegala and Wilson are crap QBs. I am glad we let go of Dolegala last year and I am pretty sure Wilson is going to meet the same fate. But yea....they would have come from behind and beaten the Argos defence. SMH. We can debate till the cows come home whether ZC should have gone back out, what is not debatable is the notion that any other of our rostered QBs would have led us to victory. ZERO CHANCE. The only players that could have won that game for us were on the D and STs. Perhaps BO going beast mode....those were our only chance at victory. Who we played at QB was irrelevant once ZC was injured. I mean honest to god, I don't know how anyone who watches football could think that JD was remotely capable of winning that game for us? Some people see what they wanna see so that they can complain I guess?

Terry Wilson did play and stunk it up.

I completely agree. Not sure what the thinking on that is at all. We need to get rid of guys that are not performing and old not young and excelling. Same goes for a very reasonably priced Redha Kramdi. He is a bargain right now. Booch hasn't liked either guy since day one, and refuses to admit both guys have turned into pretty darn good players....but MOS is the biased one...lol.

Combined income of 380k according to press reports at the time of their signings. Replacing them with 3 rookies you are looking at 220k and losing a NAT starter and all star DB. Probably not where I would trim the roster with the exception of Thomas. There are 8 other teams in this league that would jump at Kramdi at 135k. That is not a high contract for a NAT at all.

Terry Wilson DID play. Promptly went 0-3 passing. I guess we have all chosen to forget that. I guess we will also forget that ZC had two of his 3 ints after the injury tipped at the line.

Dolegala also had a year, not two weeks, to learn the offence that he was barely able to execute and lead to a disastrous record. Let's pretend his throwing stats mean more than win/loss though. As stated Dolegala had extremely limited knowledge of our playbook, had virtually no first team reps to get timing down, and has zero mobility or sand lot ability to make up for any of that. If we had put him in he probably tosses more INTs than ZC did.

Winner winner chicken dinner. The problem wasn't that we played Zach, the problem was there was no other viable option so that we didn't have to do so.

With the exception of Kramdi most of these guys aren't making enough over minimum to have a great effect on our SMS. That's not to say we shouldn't move on, but if you think there is meaningful savings letting them go there isn't. I did not include Holm because WTF? The guy is a very good DB. Also you have this huge hate on for Kramdi but he is worth every penny. Every player needs to be replaced by someone even the above and they all get paid salary too. Your savings are only what they are getting above replacement. Kolo won't be replaced for even a dollar less than what we are paying him, Wilson maybe 20-25k we could save with a rookie, Gauthier and Hallet are probably at or close to league min. We don't create meaningful SMS cutting the bottom of our roster. We gotta do it at the top and middle. Again, that's not me saying we should bring back any of those guys, just saying cutting them for SMS reasons isn't going to give us much extra SMS.

Totally 100% agree. You can have a number on a position group as a max but there should be no minimum. I don't like KW's cap skills.

If we see Elgersma starting next year something has gone incredibly wrong (injuries or desperation) or incredibly right (he just shows an incredible learning curve and talent). The former would be great but not likely. Our team has pretty much, since 2013 (with the exception of OL) not played rookie NATs in the first year of their contract and bring them along slowly. I think that is just fine. It has served us well and unless someone absolutely jumps off the page it is the best path for their development imo. Could we have given Shay/Smith more time this year? Highly debatable. On one hand, it would be nice to give every rookie meaningful reps, on the other we weren't in a situation to play fast and loose with rookie mistakes. We eked into the playoffs. If we were more secure in the standings my opinion would be different depending on whether or not they showed readiness. Brown showed well but it was a pretty limited sample size, and ZC still looked good....maybe not MOP good, but certainly upper echelon of the league good. I think this is a bad decision in hindsight but it is also the type of decision that could have gone either way. I won't beat up KW for that one. The contract he gave ZC....different story.

If we go shopping in FA, and draft well, we can be right back in the mix next year.

Or Shay/Smith would have been exposed and we do worse. Hard to say. Lot of it predicates on the belief that 2 rookie NAT LBers were ready to start. This is completely unknown at this time and therefore not a statement of fact but of opinion. Yep,,,I agree. Most here will say Elgersma the rookie, if he signs, and champion him to start all season despite rookie QBs rarely having success. We will ruin Elgersma if we rush him.

All teams say that publically. Elgersma will get a shot if he comes up for sure. Does anyone think ZC stays healthy for all 18 games? If he does we won't have to worry about whether Elgersma got his shot in year one or not. Proof? Not what I heard in his presser whatsoever. That could be mainly why he hasn't signed for sure.

I disagree wholeheartedly on what Dolegala might have done. He is a stand up, pocket passer with almost no mobility. He had extremely limited knowledge of our playbook, took almost no first team reps to build timing, and would have been facing a TO front 4 that was dominating our OL. I give him a near zero chance of winning that game if he comes in. We may all hate that Zac Collaros went back into that game, but he was the only QB on our roster that realistically gave us any shot of winning. Yes, in order to do so he would have had to be able to play through his injury but if I am the coach I would make the same call based on who was available. It's not like we didn't try Wilson, we did, and he promptly went out and laid a big fat egg. Dolegala? Not even a realistic option really IF we are truly trying to win. I get the gamble that ZC could play through didn't work, but at the time the decision was made it was the right decision imo. Anything else is laying down and gifting the win. The reality of the situation is that the second ZC got injured our chances of winning that game, no matter who we put out behind centre, pretty much dried up unless D and STs could pull out a miracle. Our offence was done. I don't think that's an unfair statement at all. ZC could have gone back into that game and we feed them a steady diet of BO and we had a chip and a chair. The problem wasn't leaving ZC in the game. The problem was the play calling once we had decided that. Buck never adjusted to the reality of that moment. We had all kinds of run packages, screens, dumps, go to the flats that ZC could have executed even with a bad finger. Instead we have him going long on his first play back in the game. It made no sense.

Yes, was our QB the highest paid? Nope. Was AH making 250k a season. Nope. I have zero issues with BO being the highest paid RB. It's all about by how much, and whether we have that luxury.

I bet if players had made more plays from 2022-2024 we would have 4 cups as well. My bet is even more likely than your bet to be accurate. Despite coaching let downs we were a play or two from winning two of those games for sure. No coach would have overcome the ZC injury. We had nothing behind him. Unless one has the incredibly far fetched idea that Jake Dolegala Or Wilson was going to lead us to victory. The last Grey Cup went down the crapper when Collaros did. He was the only QB on our roster capable of winning that game. That's just the reality of it.