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Why does this surprise you? The whining started in 2023 and we've won our division twice and went to two Grey Cups in that time span. The agenda is strong here and wins won't get in the way of that. We could have pitched a shut out and people would be complaining how the defence could have not only secured the shut out but scored points if Jake Thomas didn't get his twelve snaps in that game. Nah....we had the same whining in 2023 and 2024. It's just baked in now.

Insight....sure. They will not privately criticize their team or team mates outside the dressing room or give a lot away about locker room dynamics. Just doesn't happen. I won't name names, but during the Mike Kelly days, I had a former player who was a daily customer of mine at my sports bar. We got to know each other very well, he would come to my house couple times a week even for beers. He would talk about the team, but never in much detail and very diplomatically. If he had something bad to say he just wouldn't say it and he told me as much. He was a professional and this is ingrained in being a professional. He ended up on another CFL team during Kelly's reign, and when he came back to town he stopped in. That is when the truth came out. It was shocking because what he told me I would never have guessed from the hours I spent with him talking. They are extremely guarded and protective of the dressing room. If they aren't the leaders of the team will take them to task. If that doesn't work you usually see them down the road.

Not even a little bit debatable. Fastest way to be shunned by your team mates is by talking dressing room with people outside the dressing room. I would bet big dollars that applies even more under FIFO. Players may talk to outsiders but it's more of them just kind of telling them whatever they wanna hear vs, the truth. If a guy loves the coach, the player will praise him. If the guy hates the coach. the player will go along with it. It isn't the truth. It's just a player, a lot of times, just humoring a fan. If he's healthy he likely will. Those guys get an apple and a road map pretty quick.

There is not a single person on this forum that can truthfully say they have any insight on the inner dynamics of the Blue Bombers dressing room. Not one member. There may be guys on this forum that occasionally might hear this and that but the source would have to be a disgruntled and unprofessional player, and therefore not a true representation of the locker room at all. No player with even an ounce of professionalism or commitment to the team would comment anything to anybody outside the confines of the locker room. PERIOD. Every single team in the CFL and even NFL uses vet cards but we do it and somehow our HC should be fired. What a nothing burger.

My point which you ignored is that Mitchell's average over the same timespan is 22 yds per game. Therefore, I objected to your insinuation that Mitchell should have been in the lineup over Wheatfall. Look I'm just as happy as you that Mitchell finally put together a game over 50 yards but to offer that up as proof the Bombers were holding him back by being overly loyal to Wheatfall is pretty much a bogus theory. Wheatfall earned his place, and I hope now that injury has opened up a bigger opportunity for Mitchell that he can lean into it and salvage his season.

I'd be willing to roll with Wheatfall another year. The kid is essentially a rookie starter and he has been putting up decent numbers despite Streveler being our QB half the time.

How many of those games was Chris Streveler throwing passes? Pretty tough to blame our receiving corps for a dud QB. Yea, when Collaros came back everyone's numbers rebounded last game. Wheatfall didn't get that bump because he was injured. He has over 600 yards as a first year starter, those are pretty decent numbers. Just out of curiousity how many yards a game is Mitchell averaging this season? Yea...there is the fly in the ointment right there. 23 yds per game. That doesn't scream sit down Wheatfall because we are holding this guy back to me.

Not really true. He was quite productive through August and then something happened and every receiver on our roster saw their numbers drop off a cliff. Oh yea we had no QB for several weeks. Hard to blame Wheatfall for that. He was on a 1000 yard pace up to that point. I mean it would be a pretty big stretch to suggest the Bombers were wrong to start Wheatfall over Mitchell because Mitchell had a 60 yd game.

Keric Wheatfall is what happened. Mitchell is now looking productive in Wheatfalls spot. O'Shea explained this earlier this season that Mitchell was not well suited to what was available position wise. Mitchell has been a true pro and has bided his time. Good on him. I would be willing to wager that J.Jones did not take the same approach.

Wah wah wah...free agent bust couldn't play up to expectations, someone fire the coach..wah.

Has anyone considered that maybe J.Jones just didn't look good in our scheme or maybe he didnt get it, or maybe he half arsed it all year. What he did in Toronto is not relevant if he wasn't that player when he came here. I'm fairly certain we signed him to be that guy but sometimes a change of scenery can be bad for a player. We don't know Jack **** about why he wasn't playing other than the usual assumptions around here. I do know he played here and did not look good granted it was only one game, but the fact remains.

Look who is talking. Does this conversation have anything to do with you but you? Maybe you should get a viagra so you aren't so grumpy all the time. Name one who can verify.

I think Wilson is better than both. I'm not arguing that Strev sucks as a starter, not at all, but suggesting that Walters had good competition for QB at camp is laughable. Nobody who could seriously challenge for a job.

Honestly Booch, I think you are full of **** on this whole insider thing you are peddling here. So call me down if you wish but at least I don't pretend to have a network of insiders. Every prediction you've made around here based on "insider talk" has turned out to be completely false narrative. A couple years ago you told us that Willie J was unhappy and was leaving the Bombers because of Osh. He signed with us two days later. So cram it. I'm not buying what you are selling. I never once stated that the GM makes the game day roster, but he signs the players. THAT IS HIS JOB not O'Sheas and you saying otherwise just proves my theory that you are full of ****. You might be able to pull the wool over some guys around here but I've seen a thousand of you "insider" guys come and go from a thousand different forums. All suck and blow and this nonsense that our camp cuts were somehow allstars we let go is ridiculous. You've had a blind hate on for OSH for 3 years now and it is really making you biased. Like to the point you are making up stuff now and then being offended when some of us aren't stupid enough to believe it. You are literally defending Walters because you only want the heat on OSH. Like get serious man, Patterson and Dolegala....stupidest thing I've read all year.

Ridiculous argument. Dolegala and Patterson is your Walters get out of jail free card. Good lord. You are really reaching here. Cut them? You bet your ass he cut them, and so would any other non-desperate HC in this league. Dolegala and Patterson are just like your bois Fox and Garbutt.....ham and eggers. Maybe we should look back on your comments about these two guys and how you thought Streveler was our future and then laugh even more at this assessment. Calling Dolegala and Patterson winners is an absolute knee slapper. Patterson can barely throw, he has a noodle arm and Dolegala has a rocket but can't read a defence. No coach in their right mind would have kept them even if they were up against WIlson/Streveler.

Couldn't care less if he never speaks to us again, but he needs to do something to the roster he created. It is garbage. A HC doesn't come to a GM with a list of players from around the league, He may describe what he wants in a player but who is signed is on the GM ONLY!!!!!!! MOS did not hand pick any of our FA busts this year. MOS did not bring in any of garbage import DL we have been bringing in since Rigmaiden left. ALL ham n' eggers. You want so badly for MOS to be fired you are creating fictional scenarios where he is the puppet master and KW is Pinocchio. When it comes to our lack of talent on the roster it falls squarely, and SOLELY, on the GM. FULL STOP. The GM builds the roster. How it is employed and used (starting a RB at QB) is on the HC. When you see a roster that is so poor in depth like ours, you can't blame the coach for that. You can blame him for how he uses that roster, gameplan, etc. etc., but not talent level.

I agree. Most of it is on Walters for not providing any kind of acceptable level of backup QB, but MOS needs to get a guy out of the game that doesn't complete his second pass until the 4th Q. At some point yesterday he needed to make the change.

Yesterday, we threw the ball a total of 8 times, we had 3 completions (one of which was a forward 5 inch toss to Dillon Mitchell) and an interception. Why? Two reasons. Our OC sucks, and our QB doesn't threaten any defence with his arm. Ottawa took the only throws Strev can consistently make away (and very simply I might add) because he cannot throw anything outside the hashmarks, to the intermediate and deep zones with any form of consistency. He is an awful passer. There is not getting around that, he should not be a QB in the CFL anymore. He is a gadget player and that's fine if he could successfully do that still but he can't. If we sign him again that GM should immediately lose his job. For those wondering if WIlson can do better? Yes, he can. Two reasons. The First is he couldn't do worse. The second he is an actual QB whose arm you have to respect because he can make every throw on the field. Streveler can't, and never could, but we were able to successfully use him in the past because the D always had to respect his play action. Now they just run blitz him and he is screwed.

Our defence was good yesterday, and so were our special teams. Anyone complaining about roster management this week has lost the plot. It is a miniscule problem compared to others in the big picture of this season. Unless you want to count continuing to start Streveler as roster management, then fire away on that one.

I don't understand what people are seeing in Strev as a QB around here either? He is never going to be a quality starter in this league and is barely an acceptable back up. Collaros was a 1000x better than Streveler, however, the offensive system sucks too.

He sucks. He wasn't throwing because he is an interception machine. His own coaches don't trust him to throw the ball and with good reason. They have their work cut out for them because KW hasn't shown up since 2021. There is absolutely no way Wilson could have done worse.

Walters needs to wake up from his 3 year nap. Sorry, if that offends anyone but KW has done an outright lousy job lately.

TBURGESS is now the voice of reason here. I totally agree for once.

Well, yes and no. All our starters are getting a free ride because they aren't getting their ass kicked by coaches, Hoiwever, the coaches are in a bad place because our depth sucks and the best motivator is playing time and we have garbage sitting behind almost every position on the field and all the players know it and are not fearing losing their jobs. Anyone who has coached this game knows that players without competition are hard to keep on track. If this wasn't a GC hosting year about the best thing that could happen is we just put the guys out there that will go the extra mile despite talent level, but that would likely result in worse losses than what we have. Backups are backups for a reason and there isn't enough talent behind some of our gross underperformers for heart and will to make up the difference. If we had the quality of depth that we should have guys could have/should have been sat down and made to earn their starting positions back by refocusing and winning it back. RIght now we have many starters that are in by default.

Fair enough. I just think that bringing back your marquee receiver when medically cleared is kind of a really odd thing to criticize. Walters and our AGMs/scouts did a terrible job of evaluating FA talent for sure.