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That's just a start, Booch would be a helluva busy guy because I would want the whole thing torn down.

Without Collaros I have almost no hope we are in the playoffs. Streveler is not a starting quality QB. Anyone arguing differently is drinking Booch's Kool aid. Are we seriously questioning the knowledge/integrity of our medical staff? Do any of you guys have a hot clue how many athletes play through partially torn ACLs? Some even voluntarily have gotten them removed Eg. Marve. It is a completely manageable injury with a brace.

I will agree that our O and D coordination has a lot to be desired. Our roster usage could be a lot better but realistically isn't losing us games. Contributing for sure, but if we had the talent level and the schemes in place we would like the last several year, be grousing about it on a first place team with a couple losses at this point. I would love MOS to use the designated IMP rule, I would love to see a tweak here or there in our lineup. Do I think it's why we are losing? Nope. Just making it harder to win. When I look at the difference between 2019 or 2021 and this team I see a vastly different amount of talent and quality depth. That's 90% of our problem right now. We have bled talent. Anyone suggesting that the answer is in house is dreaming in technicolor. Kyle Walters had to have a make it or break it offseason this year, and he had probably his worst offseason yet.

Bridges was awful, and he was replaced. Giving Allen big kudos seems wrong to me. He has not been all that good. He has whiffed on many coverages and tackles over the past few games and taken some very costly penalties as well. I think we could do better, and need to get better at his spot as well. You are making the assumption that Person, a rookie, was ready to go game one. I would not make that assumption and am not going to flog any coach for waiting until a player is both physically and mentally ready to compete. Person has looked OK, not great, but I would tend to think the coaches wanted to give him more time to adjust to the Canadian game before throwing him out there. In preseason he was having a hard time with the yard off the ball and some other nuances of our game. As he gets more used to it, his impact will grow. Woodby same thing likely. Just needed time to learn the nuances in practice, study film, learn how to react and play in the Canadian game. Once they were ready they got their shot. Not sure why ppl think that rookies not playing serious reps until game 8 is out of the ordinary, or a coach not identifying talent. Talent is great but talent has to be game ready. Bridges was a head scratcher but his first 2 games he played great and that is likely why he got more rope than he should have. Allen is no prize either tho. Dave Ritchie used to say for every rookie you add to your starting lineup you can pencil in 1 loss to go with that. That is not an exaggeration. Throwing raw rookies into the mix is not an optimum solution. You want to be able to slow play their roll out if possible. None of the guys you have mentioned are talented enough that they jump off the page. Sure some rookies can come in and play like all stars. They are the very small minority of rookies and certainly not any of the guys you have listed.

My argument is sound. Lack of talent is hurting us more than roster deployment. It is both. However, one far outweighs the other in impact and that is my entire point. We have 600 pages and 10000 posts focusing on roster moves 51 thru 53 of our lineup and about 1 page and 60 posts talking about the real problem. All because of a few posters agenda to blame MOS. While he is not blameless, the impact of his decisions are grossly over exaggerated on this forum. Now it is at the point where MOS is getting blamed for poor scouting, and poor offseason contact negs/FA signings and that is 100% on the GM. Look, I'd like to take the tact of dumping on MOS for his poor roster usage around here too but I feel the guy needs defending from the pitchforks being pointed at him for things entirely beyond his control and that was my point. Not that MOS is blameless, but we are blaming him for poor GMing and that's over the top.

Are Person, Allen, and Woodby not getting their chance now? Sometimes you gotta wait your turn on the depth chart, and that is on every football team ever. Suggesting it was some huge mistake that Person, Woodby, and Allen never played is nonsense. They worked hard, earned their chance, and are now in the lineup. You've got a problem with the way Kyrie Wilson has played? He has been very good this year. So has Tony Jones. Our linebacking crew is not the problem with our team right now. Could it be better? Maybe....but let's talk about what is losing games. Lack of talent and depth at other position groups.

Did you work there when Gerry was running it? Great guy. Good friend of mine.

What true talent has he let go that you are aware of? And don't bring me ham and eggers like Fox or Garbutt. They are low end rotational guys at best and keeping Woods and Adams over them is actually probably a proper talent evaluation. You say he is releasing all this talent. I say that's your opinion based on nothing really. Prove me wrong. Give me the list of all stars that MOS released. I'll wait. Look, I'm not going to sit here and defend MOS roster use. It's problematic. However, anyone trying to suggest that our lack of talent and failure to retain talent is on MOS is letting Walters off the hook way too easy. There is literally no one we have released that has done anything of note elsewhere. We have lost a ton of impact guys in FA, that is 100% on the GM. Kenny Lawler could easily have been signed and we would still be under the cap. I won't count Dobson because I believe he is grossly over rated, but he was still a loss because he wasn't adequately replaced. Again that's on the GM. Yoshi gone and replaced with a player not remotely as good. That's on the GM. The list goes on and on of guys we could have kept but our GM felt like lowballing them. At the end of the day he let Lawler walk and signed scrap heap to replace him, he let Dobson and Ford walk...that's two all star NATs out of 7 starters. These are things the GM just can't let happen. And don't give me this MOS might have said we good baloney. That's complete garbage. MOS like any other HC in the history of football has never advised his GM to let proven talent walk out the door. When guys like that leave it's for the benjamins and we've heard how many stories of our proven talent not even getting a phone call from Walters until it's too late. Janarion Grant waited all offseason for a phone call that never came before going to Toronto and he was asking for peanuts.

Kyle Walters absolutely bird dogs for the Bombers in Ontario. Absolutely nothing wrong with a coach discussing his needs with his GM. If the GM does not find the player, or bypasses a better player to listen to his coaches wants that is still 100% the fault of the GM. None of you guys will convince me that the talent signed by the GM isn't 100% his responsibility. It goes beyond logic to think otherwise. To suggest the HC pulls the strings on who Walters ultimately signs is ludicrous. Does OSH have input, absolutely, bottom line is it's Walters decision. His decisions have not been good lately. It is beyond moronic to try and put the loss of Lawler or other all stars onto MOS. Contract negs are 100% the domain of Walters and he did not get it done for us and he could have. PERIOD. NO OTHER REALITY EXISTS.

I think I watched the entire video of behind the draft and Walters definitely, and 100%, has final say. I didn't even hear MOS say a word the whole time until Walters had decided and even then Walters said OK this who we are going with, Mike you're good with that? And it wasn't so much him asking MOS but telling him. You guys are really reaching now. I am sure that MOS said yea we don't need Kenny Lawler. 🤣 Post Rigmaiden it has not been good.

Yea there were a at least a couple times Vaughters gave the edge far too early and made it an easy decision for AJ

And 2 turnovers deep in our own end. We protect the ball there we most likely win and some real bone head and costly penalties.

Well except for this year they were going LB no matter what but since 2018 Walters has gone BPA or futures and has been very clear about that in interviews. This year they felt NAT LB was a huge need with our NAT LBs aging out. The draft video is there for all to see, Walters makes the decision with scouting and then asks MOS if he is good with the pick. MOS has always said a simple Yes or Sure. There is no lobbying by MOS pre or post pick.

You can say that all you want but Walters himself said he drafts BPA. In the past he has even drafted futures over BPA or positional need. He was very clear that he hasn't drafted positional for a few years now hence our problems with the OL now.

Baloney to blaming coaching for poor drafting. That's a reach and you know it.

Now we are cooking with fire. Good job KW. This will change the dynamic of our receiving corps similar to what Lawler would have in so far as how it impacts how teams can play D against us.

This league has changed to one of one year contracts. It's time Walters changes his approach. I have never been a proponent of FA but it is now a necessity in an age of unprecedented player movement. The luxury of developing players is over. Fact is that Walters did not sign a single FA that has been an improvement over one he lost. And anyone thinking that MOS chose the FA signings only to cut them or not play them is smoking crack. We have to recruit players that are capable year one guys and then be ready to lose them after one year of them starting. That's life in the CFL now. Giving guys reps over vets just so they can bolt is not a sustainable roster build either.

I don't deny roster construction is a problem. What i don't agree with is that many here seem to think it's our main problem. Overall talent level is 70% of the reason we are losing games. The other 30% is poor coaching, poor coordinating, and poor execution by the players. Does anyone here honestly think we could get a different coach and suddenly this roster is a contender? I don't. Sorry, we are talent deficient at way too many position groups.

I have NEVER stated BOLO is better than Clercius. I do blame Walters for lack of starting talent. That's a GMs job whether you like it or not. If you want to give him a free pass to hang onto the fantasy that the fringe talent that left for playing time is our downfall then you are the one not being too swift. Unless it is your belief the REAL talent such as Lawler, the OL, our numerous actually talented DTs such as Sayles, that left was a coaching decision? I see a crap load of FAs making huge impacts with teams that have passed us and our GM did squat. You can sit and suggest that MOS controls who is brought in the door and if that were the case all the more reason to fire Walters if he has handed off his job to his HC.

No it's not. We go all NAT DT on 15% of our snaps. We go 3 man front more often

Not a comparison of their roles, a comparison of whether or not it was time to move on. We got it right with Woli and wrong with Thomas. Straw man argument because of a little thing called ratio. Of course Adams and Woods are better, just as most NATs have better IMPs that could play in their stead. Should we miss the playoffs i expect pink slips for quite a number of people.

Woli had a crap year last year. Let's not have revisionist history here. It's why we moved on. Comparing him and Jake is fair. Difference is Drew was never a whipping boy here. Guys clamoring go get him back are living in the past.

You honestly think he has any NFL hope? I don't. He has zero teams value and is a 2x NFL early cut. IF he wants to keep playing it's the CFL or nothing this year. He can retire from football, but that is his only option for making money from now until April. I would be shocked if he isn't back here honoring his rookie contract while negotiating for an extension.

No doubt about it. Totally had to add receivers, just sad it got this far. Where does everyone get the idea we need to offer him a contract? He is already under contract should he choose to come back. He may ask for a new contract in order to come back but his only option is Winnipeg in the CFL. Not really a great bargaining position if he wants to play.

No doubt. I think we would have had to cut our NAT starter numbers in half and probably trim overall roster numbers to keep our game from scrubs being played.