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No doubt. It is quite the stretch to blame everything on the coaches when we lose and to say the coaches had nothing to do with it when we win. That's just nonsense imo. Our coaching could be better right now..no doubt about it but our coaching and GMing were top notch for our evolution from laughing stock to powerhouse in our Grey Cup years. The 2019 Grey Cup run was a master class in coaching for instance. We finished 3rd in our division and Hall's gameplanning was unreal, and Lapo's use of the QB tandem was excellence in gameplanning.

I would take Geno in a heart beat if he is willing to come at a reasonable rate. He instantly becomes an upgrade for us. Cooked is a matter of perspective. He's got JM as his QB. I mean seriously look at our receiving corps. We need 3 IMPs out there and right now we only have 2 worth starting

I just thought he quietly became a vegetable due to the long term effects of the lobotomy he obviously received.

Elliot had a great arm but wouldn't run the plays that were called. Went off script and threw back to back interceptions that lost us a game. Went to BC and did the exact same thing in practice, which led to Chapdelaine sending him off the field and ripping him a new one, and he never saw a CFL field again.

Once upon a time? Dude is still the same coach as he was before. Difference is the commitment to upgrade and/or finding talent. We spun our wheels until Rigmaiden came to town, then we had a solid talent pipeline and Osh was able to lead that into the best 5 year run our team has had in 40 years...maybe ever. You guys are so hellbent on him being fired you are dismissing the fact that given the right talent he can shape it into a winner. But hey let's believe that instead of their being a talent deficiency that MOS would rather play lesser talent while allstars languish on the bench or are cut in preseason.

I want a coach that wins. That is my one and only criteria. Dont under sell how hard it is to get to 5 straight championships as a coach. There have been a **** ton of more talented teams than our 5 year run that could not get the same level of winning consistently as we did. Sometimes, what the average fan interprets as bad coaching or roster management is in fact building a locker room. We run our mouths because we are not inside the locker room, coaches offices to know better. I would like to see better coaching in some aspects, and our coordinators definitely have some work to do, but there isn't a coach in this league I would rather have rebuilding our team than MOS. Fact is, that's what we require.

We were immensely talented in 2019 and 2021. Coaching was exactly the same. Coaching never got in the way of 3 straight cup appearances afterwards. Proĺly cost us one GC in that span and partially contributed to two other losses but at the end of the day being one or two plays away from 5 straight cups speaks to what this staff can get out of their talent, when they have it at their disposal. Talent trumps Coaching 7 days a week. Unless your coach is intentionally trying to lose, talent will carry the day more times than not. Does our Coaching need improvement? Absolutely. Its not good enough to get wins out of a not very talented team. If it's done correctly for sure.

I dont think Ceresna is terrible, however, i dont think our current DL usage fits our defensive scheme. I think Youngers use of guys like Willie dropping out etc were so that his DBS could have that cushion we see. Now that our DL is playing downhill that gap becomes free yardage.

No i dont believe that. What i do believe is that operating at our max still wont be good enuff. I think the players that are underperforming are the positions where we are weak in depth. The past two games we weren't even near the cusp of competitiveness. It was a very clear demonstration of two teams taking advantage of a lesser talented club.

I guess we will agree to disagree on the talent level of our club. So be it. I think the biggest problem we have right now is an organization, as a whole, that has failed to recognize it is time for a rebuild. MOS and Kyle are excellent at rebuilding but piss poor at figuring out when its time for onr

None of that is what I said at all. Was talking about in game shying away from contact, playing lazy, cheating the play, and mentally checking out in game. As a player if you are blaming that on coaching you are just playing silly bugger....and that is ALL happening way too often

A coaches job is to make sure players are in position to make plays and know how to execute within the play call. When a secondary is as soft as ours off the LOS thats on coaching. When guys run untouched into the end zone that's on coaching. When our opposition comes down with every 50/50 ball, players are arm tackling, standing around, trying to cheat the playcall and getting burnt, throwing interceptions into double coverage etc..that's 100% on the players, be it talent level or lack of focus. The first kind of mistakes the coaches need to recognize and fix the second the GM must recognize and begin making phone calls Doesn't matter because it isn't happening. We need Kyle to go get us some scrap heaping done. That's how desperately we need new talent and some fresh perspective in our locker room

FACT: MOS and Walters are not going anywhere this year and probably for the next couple years .FICTION: A coaching change, roster shuffle will suddenly make us contenders. We are far far away from contending atm Totally agree

Richie Hall was on Peterson show this off-season and his health very much concerns him still. He is loving his reduced role and staying involved but is not interested in the grind anymore. Won't demote JY? That's who needs to be fired first.

He's with the team but stepped away from DC role. Said he can no longer handle the grind. Was going to retire but MOS/Younger convinced him to stay on with a reduced work load Players have to wear that as well. Its a fallacy that coaches are responsible for lacksadaisical or uninspired play...the players are 100% responsible for getting themselves physically and mentally prepared. The coaches are responsible for recognizing and acting on, if it isn't happening

Im not against bringing in new talent. Think it should have happened a few games ago.

Hall stepped away for his health. Unlikely he wants the interim HC

Yep...blown tackles everywhere every game. Our talent is not good

All is know from experience is that 90% of the time we give one of these "young and hungry" players their chance, over the past several years, they have turned out to be duds. Look, I get everyone here has their pitch forks out for the coaches and deservedly so but pretending the talent is sitting here is just ignoring another of our biggest problems. Our coaches suck and so do the players on our roster. There is a very good argument to start guys like Smith or Texada. That argument should not include us winning more because of them, at least not this season.

You can't just say to hell with the cap. It's not like the players cap that it's a set fine and teams are free to go about their business. Wholesale changes have to be run by the league before being executed in regards to the football ops SMS. We have no chance of a late season run. You are living in dream land. This team doesn't have the talent. Sorry if that hurts your MOS rant, but it's straight up fact. Our team sucks right from GMing all the way down to longsnapper, and despite your belief that we can fix our team by putting backups and PR guys in, that's another pipe dream.

Rostering is the least of our worries right now. I know you feel it would make a massive difference, it wouldn't. What would make a massive difference is if our starters played like starters and made plays. Who the 51st, 52nd, 53rd guy on the roster doesn't amount to a hill of beans when on every position unit you have you have guys starting that aren't starting calibre. 51-53 ain't making up for that. We need our GM, HC, and locker room leadership to step up in a big way because we need new players, we need a different style of coaching, and we need our locker room to believe again because it's become cancerous imo.

Walters deserves no more time than MOS. If the decision is to make changes then Walters and MOS both have to go. Walters deserves nothing.

It's a start for sure. Don't even have to drop Younger, just elevate Richie to co-coordinator

In fairness they have given him zero reason to believe in them. Look at the past 2 games, why would any coach trust what he's seeing out of his team. I'm not trying to defend MOS either, given all of that it still was chicken ****. Just pointing out that this current group of players seems to lack the overall talent and mental strength needed. I have almost zero doubt right now that the locker room is broken.

Very true. We lack the talent now and he has to evolve with the crap roster he now has. Same goes for his coordinators. Younger trying to re-invent the CFL defence and rotating in countless players on every play is hurting the little bit of talent that we do have. Younger has guys playing all over the place, rotating in and rotating out, it's a fiasco. It's not possible for defences to gel or prepare properly that way. I am unclear wtf happened to him the past 2 years but his coordinating has been god awful.