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You arguing this in bad faith. The presumption of the argument is that Woli never comes in as a NAT but an IMP with the Lions. In that case, I don't see him getting any kind of a sniff of quality playing time or touches with the Lions either. The fact of the matter in all of this is that Woli could have been a reasonably productive WR for us or an outstanding possession/TE type of receiver. One will get you more touches and yardage, the other is way more valuable beyond the stats. Woli had an extremely important role within our offence and he did it well. We did not hold him back.

Yea...we are definitely going NAT at centre one way or another.

He had Oliveira as Brady.

The Lions were put between a rock and a hard place. Rourke was ready to come back at a time that meant going over to get him. Why the Lions didn't trade Adams immediately after was their big mistake. That's a crap load of SMS sitting on the bench for the remainder of the season.

They went over because only one of their half million QBs could play at one time.

Yea....this makes no sense whatsoever. The fairest way is everyone move up a slot like in past years.

Yea...he has a point on Petey and Simonise but Woli was literally starting the last 5 games of his year 1 and held the starter position after that. As for Petey and Simonise, they did play many snaps for us and we moved on. Sometimes it is unfair to say they never got a chance when their production was pretty meh in the snaps they were given. Neither Petey nor Simonise has done much of anything since they left so it leads me to believe they just weren't good enough. When we release someone who actually produces somewhere else, the argument can be made we held them back but until then it's kind of unfair to criticize the brass for not playing inferior talent. I mean it's not like we held them on our PR until they were too old to be developed. Both Petey and Simonise were young enough when they left here that they could have shown they were being held back. Neither man did.

He had some potential that went unrealized....but yea...kind of a bit of a flyer in the 3rd round. Probably a 6th round talent really.

I fold my wife all the time, and if you win the bet you can have her....hell if you lose the bet you can have her. I wouldn't take this bet if I were you. lmao

Or maybe he came to the realization that he isn't good enough to be rostered and moved on from football. Seriously, we get your point on roster but digging in your heels about Murphy being denied roster time is a strange use of this argument. At no time did he ever demonstrate that he was better than anyone on our roster.

Walters has listed only 2 NATs on the OL starting in a recent interview, so unless he is bumping Paddy this year it looks like the plan is to go 3 IMP OL. That doesn't mean he can't win the job though and make them change their mind. My guess is that if availability of decent talent is there that our preference would be OL/Receiver in the first two rounds. As you stated, we are thin.

Wallace just improved as time went on for sure. He is going to start for us at some point.

Wallace's slide was due to uncertainty about the level of NFL interest there would be in him IIRC. Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but Walters indicated that we would be going 3 IMP at OL to start the season as well in an interview on the Bomber site, in the article CFL Combine Day 1. Personally, I think this will be a good move and allows Wallace to break in a little more slowly.

Not agreeing with the moves, just suggesting a possible reason for them. Arniel may be trying to send a message to some players.

i'm assuming they are looking for a bit of a spark after the last few games of pretty meh effort.

We definitely need to get an OL that is capable of being a 6th. After that quality depth would be acceptable.

Reimer is at home playing in front of all his family and friends, and he had a great game. It happens.

Helle's ability to be successful in the playoffs will depend entirely on our ability to keep the front of the net clear. Last year that Oak tree Russian just camped out right on top of him all playoffs and we couldn't move him. A goalie has to be able to see the puck in order to stop it. Nonsense that Helle isn't a playoff goalie, last year we got beat by Colorado's speed and physicality in the slot. Blaming Helle for that is not fair.

We can still add some really good players once the NFL starts weeding out their futures and PR guys

I honestly think sometimes addition by subtraction can't be discounted. We lost some star power but I think we are deeper this year and some guys we moved on from were good moves. I hope we have a signing or two that moves the needle before or during the season as well.

True...would be a gold mine.

They wouldn't be the only ones. Would be a PR disaster for the CFL....probably try turn the game into two hand touch.

I will agree that pass pro was a problem across the entire OL and that Kolo didn't help matters. Yea...my main point is that I am not all that sad to see him go at that price. Imo, he's another Sukh Chungh.

Sorry man, I will agree to disagree. You have to be able to get semi in the way. His footwork was absolutely awful in pass pro. That is not the mark of an elite OG. Was he passable? Sure. All-star....not in a 1000 years. I have watched a **** ton of interior OL play, and a lot of his play, and it was not good. He is slow off the snap in pass pro and tries to block with his arms only far too often because he lacks footwork and speed. He was great in the run block but he is a huge reason why ZC never settled in last year, and a HUGE reason why we lost the Grey Cup. There is a reason teams went at him. I get what you are saying about him being a first year starter that improved, but his achilles is his footwork and that is fundamentals not an experience problem. If he sheds 15-20 lbs maybe he's got a shot at fixing that and being an elite OG but right now he is not there. I will admit that I do have a bias against Dobson types who are big for nothing and much prefer an athletic OG even if they come in a bit lighter. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Dobson was useless....just over rated....and I stand by that.

Not even close to the truth imo. He was regularly and routinely beaten like a rented mule 1v1 against the league's better DTs. Could he handle 70% of the league's DTs sure....but he was absolutely our worst OL against the better DLs of the league and I'm not talking about him having to cover for Kolo....straight up 1v1. Ceresna absolutely dominated him like I've never seen an professional OG get dominated before. It was pitiful.