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So you can't name one and you are just assuming....got it.

He is not a CFL calibre starting QB and probably will never be one.

In a SMS world things change. What was too expensive yesterday, can become affordable today. It is ridiculous to suggest that just because Walters came late to the party it means he was lazy or was over confident. He likely pegged money for something else and circled back when it became apparent that whatever avenue he wanted to explore had dried up.....probably Lawler. Plans are just that...plans...but no GM in this league executes their plans 100% in FA. You pivot according to how the market plays out. Some guys you want to sign just become unaffordable. Tbh, I would have been POed if we blew that kind of cash on a DB and I thought Ford was an incredible NAT asset, but EDM threw ridonkulous money at him.

Awesome Zach, the more Bomber content on the net the better.

I think every one of those games was winnable, with the exception of last year, and that is because our QB got injured and our backup was out all season basically. Can anyone really say that we weren't one or two plays away from winning the other two Grey Cups? I don't think you can. I mean Fajardo throws a punt on 2nd and 25 and somehow completes it......that summed up our 4th Q in a game we dominated for 55 minutes. Honestly, it has left the realm of football discussion already. Forest fire smoke? MOS did it.

All of them. Crazy to suggest that MOS should be fired. Absolutely nuts. I can't even believe that people on this forum are suggesting MOS should be fired. Can he improve some flaws...absolutely but this guys has coached us to 5 straight Grey Cups. I can't believe the entitlement some fans around here are showing. Good gravy. I'm not suggesting MOS is the perfect coach, but the smear campaign against him is baffling. Our team hasn't been this competitive and strong since the 80's, FIred? Really?

Great...he has flaws...ALL coaches do. All coaches tend to be stubborn as well especially when their stubborness results in 5 straight Grey Cup appearances. If you are arguing that MOS has flaws you have no argument, if you are arguing he is not a very good HC then the facts and lists you speak of are completely applicable because they demonstrate elite success levels. Suggesting lists and facts as "cherry picking" is like you pointing to roster management on a daily basis as somehow negating all the excellent work he does as a HC to make this team a top contender year in and year out. That, too, is cherry picking your argument. Their is a heck of a lot more positive then negative to discuss, but we don't hear it much around here. We have another team this year that looks like it will challenge for a Grey Cup. Anyone thinking that should be automatic and without adversity is dreaming in technicolor. We will have highs and lows all season long that hopefully will culminate in another Grey Cup. This team steamrolled through it's first 3 games, got humbled in one. This is not some kind of disaster. We are still a top tier team capable of winning it all.

Ssshhh....don't let facts get in the way of a good old O'Shea bashing that's going on here.

Name one player who left for the same money we offered. Arguments could be made that some players may be frustrated with usage but you are creating fiction to try and back it up. This team does NOT have unhappiness and poor morale nor have I heard of any players leaving due to that or us missing out on FAs for any other reason than cold hard cash. Name one player that has left here and has stated anything negative about their time here. ONE. I'm waiting.

Everyone's been talking about the fire in 89.

Agreed. I'm on the verge of bring evacuated here in Thompson and it's not funny at all.

I agree that given our current roster it is irresponsible to not use every advantage we can such as IMP with national designation rules etc. We have discovered that we are a top notch team as far as overall roster but we certainly aren't above the pack. It's time for MOS to use any and all avenues available to field the best roster possible. I have never suggested that roster decisions don't have some impact on our ability to win. Of course they do. However, over the past few years we still should have won any game we lost with the lineup we had if they play to their potential. This year we may need more than that. I am hoping this loss last week will begin to convince our coaches and GMs that our roster needs to be optimized both outside of game day and inside of game day. No one will ever convince me that sitting Jake Thomas, as one example, will win us more games but given what we saw last week it may be time to hedge our bets and use the roster to it's full optimization. Of FAR more importance to our success, we need to close the country club atmosphere and get back to work.

Our OL sucked last game, as did our DL, secondary, QB and STs. Last week's game had nothing to do with roster decisions. Our whole roster sucked and so did our coaching and evidently locker room leadership.

The roster we had on the field was capable of winning. Maybe if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle is not a coherent argument to make. I will agree that Collaros not being taken out MIGHT have been a mistake, but one that can not be definitively proven. Maybe we put in Dolegala or Wilson for the remainder and they throw 3 INTs and we lose by a larger margin. We will never know. I do agree that depth has been depleted somewhat, and that in part is what the crux of my argument is. We have people sitting here saying that our depth is depleted but we should play our depth anyway because they are better than who the coaches have identified as starters. Pick a lane, the argument can't work both ways.

Can you say that our roster decisions took us out of any of those games? Nope you can't because that is a fictional narrative. The teams we fielded could have won all of those games if they flip a handful of plays they erred on. I am not suggesting roster decisions can't make things tougher to win, they can. However, whatever lineup we fielded in any of those games had the opportunity and ability to win those games. The fact they didn't is because at key moments of the game they did not make a play they should have/could have made. Pierce, Hall, and Younger have all stated that they tell O'Shea who they want in the lineup and that almost always he makes it happen except for moves made to appease ratio. They meet early in the week to discuss lineups based on new injuries, and then work in collaboration on lineups. Of course, MOS has final say but he is not forcing players on any of his coordinators unless ratio has to do with it. Hall even stated that more often than not we are forcing players on him, and he almost always gets it done for us. Before either of you say I am licking MOS boots, I'm not. Last game his coaching was terrible and is in dire need of improvement. I just don't think it was for the reasons being thrown around this forum. My problem with his coaching was that he did not have the team we fielded adequately motivated and prepared to compete. That is also equally on the coordinators who are very conveniently being overlooked as gross underperformers last game. Dickenson's crew took them behind the woodshed and taught Hogan and Younger lessons. Couple that with a group of players who went on bye week 3 hours too early and we got what we got. I don't care what roster moves we make for that game the result would have been similar because only a handful of guys showed up prepared to play, and the gameplans from our coordinators were bunk.

Go sign Surtain and see if he is not a starter day one. C'mon man....you are reaching on that one. TC a player has to beat the player ahead of him. It doesn't go to the rookie in a tie or if there is even some debate. That's coaching 101 stuff. I like that J. Jones has the potential to replace T. Jones. When he demonstrates that to Osh and Younger I will be happy to see him succeed here. You say he is better now, but our coaches disagree. We don't have guys riding the pine because they are the better option NOW unless ratio comes into play. No coach in the world leaves a guy on the bench that is clearly better than the guy ahead of him with all things being equal. What we call roster mismanagement is valid in some respects, but not all. Some of it is based on the age old fan belief that the 2nd stringer is better than the 1st stringer WAAAAAAAY more often than is the actual case.

You can only construct a roster with who you have available. If that talent is lesser than, that's not on the coach.

Here's the thing, that until they prove themselves better on the field in our current defence. (comparing stats from a completely different team/D Scheme is a red herring) then you are only offering opinion. I have no issue with vets being replaced by younger, better talent if it is available. As you have shown, in your examples (Glass, Cartwright etc) Osh is very willing to make that happen. However, guys around here think they make the best assessment of talent on our roster, and that is fallacy.,

Our DL play is by scheme. That is Younger's D, the same one he played in when he was with the Argos....get used to it. Collaros playing hurt in 2022 was still the best roster decision at the time, whether you like it or not. We lost 3 Grey Cups in a row because big time players underachieved. It is nonsense to say that roster management lost us those games. A small part of it perhaps, but at the end of the day we could have won any of those games with the roster we fielded if we had not shat the bed. Simple as that. To say otherwise is dumb. If you can honestly say that our team played to the best of it's ability but we lost because of how the roster was constructed then you may have a point, but that didn't happen. Our big time players were not big time players in those games.

Have you been watching O'Shea's win/loss record? You guys are so fixated on the bottom 4 positions of our depth chart it has become almost comical. We have not lost a game due to roster management since this notion reared it's head a couple years ago. Roster management is such a minor part of what win/loses games at the pro level unless star players are out with injury. Every game comes down to about a dozen key plays that tell the tale of the game. Big time players make big time plays and they are not found at the bottom of the depth chart. I'm not excusing Osh's roster management, it could be better, but this nonsense that Jake Thomas taking 8 snaps a game more than he should is costing us games is ridiculous. If you want to talk about roster decisions of consequence we can look to stuff like the decision to keep Collaros over Brown, or to let Lawler walk. These are impactful decisions to our ability to win and worthy of some debate. However, then we are no longer talking about O'Shea are we. I think you guys got the crosshairs on the wrong guy. Even dud FA signings this year that can't beat out some mediocre talent ahead of them lies with the front office, not the coach.

Who says we are bringing in talent that is better? Guys have to earn their way into the lineup. I'm not saying that is the case 100% of the time, but it certainly is the overwhelming majority of the time. Seen a lot of grousing that J.Jones , as one example, should be in the lineup vs T. Jones....what I haven't seen is a single shred of evidence to back up the claim that he would be better. Sometimes, guys are on the sidelines despite a guy ahead of them having weaknesses+ because they aren't as good. Name one guy that the scouts brought in that is better than the incumbent. Please provide proof of that.

Absolutely, I am not sure the merry go round on roster discussion is even worth the time anymore because pretty much everyone who has an opinion on it is about as well informed on each side of the equation as humanly possible over the past 2 years and 10000 posts related to it. However, I doubt the discussion dies anytime soon because Jake Thomas is still a Bomber.

Yep. Remember that one as well.

Maybe, but I know for sure there was one on Leila. Later became an Olive Garden then was torn down afterwards.

Used to be a Red Lobster on Leila.