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No one said he'd do it maliciously. Desperation can lead to a lot of stupid decisions though, that is the concern.

Desperate people with nothing to lose like Burke can wind up doing stupid things in a crazy attempt to save their job, that`s the concern with letting him stay on when the year is already a write off.

yeah why not take out ian wild who has been playing fantastically? **** I hate Tim Burke.

guys with that much experience and some physical skills get cut and not picked up when there's a new team coming in and suddenly the marginal NIs have so much increased value just based on the increase in new jobs? No I don't think so.

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having a Ricky Ray would make a lot of other pieces look better too....

Hey I'm just saying you all walk around acting like he knows nothing about talent. Now whether he is willing to pay whatever it takes that's another matter entirely. All I've ever done is provided a counter balance to the massively over reacting opinions that get thrown out as facts around this place.

I don't buy that it's a pile of crud for players. There's a hell of a lot of talent on the defense there that the coaches are utterly failing to get the most out of week in and week out. We've seen what they can do in week 2 and in the banjo bowl with proper coaching, it's damned impressive, but most weeks they're lost, that's a lack of clear direction from the coaches. I know full well who hired Burke and I've been talking about that being an issue for longer than anyone else, but to simply say the talent isn't there is a fallacy. There's talent there, the coaches aren't getting the most out of it, not even close. I can make a guess that these tackles didn't just pop up out of nowhere simply because the scouting system hasn't changed through it all. It's a pretty safe assumption that these same scouts would have presented these same players to whoever the GM was. Once you put down the haterade you're drinking and look at things objectively you might stop blaming absolutely everyone on this false notion that Joe Mack couldn't and wouldn't bring in any talent worth a damn.

well he also had 7 catches for 64 yards.... I'm saying that picking ford over garrett was a mistake, I stand by it simply because Ford is so one dimensional as a player.

see, it's still funny. You all hate the man so much and talk about him like he's a complete tool when it comes to players but you all have the same wishlist for players he did.

The absolute funniest part to me, is that the GM we fired was rumoured to be close to acquiring Collaros and now everyone is simultaneously jumping on the "we must get Collaros" bandwagon all the while still continually crapping on that GM nonstop.

oh burke is plenty smart, he's just a complete failure as a head coach.

the point is that if they'd kept Garrett he'd have been able to play the past 2 weeks because he's a better option at RB in my opinion than Ford is. This team needs all the RB help it can get to have a chance and Ford just isn't cutting it. Yup...Ford is really supposed to cut it with a band aid offensive line! that sound you may have heard is the point zooming way over your head. Garrett is much more versatile and better at running when there's less blocking. He helps more with a poor o-line than ford does. Better runner in traffic, better hands I think, two things that could immensely help the team in it's current state. Ford is a good chance of pace guy but as an every down back he's limited.

sounds a lot like the logic Eric Tillman was using.. how'd that work out?

the point is that if they'd kept Garrett he'd have been able to play the past 2 weeks because he's a better option at RB in my opinion than Ford is. This team needs all the RB help it can get to have a chance and Ford just isn't cutting it.

It's not a Mack vs. Walters thing though, I'm simply saying that Mack takes far far more **** than he should be while Walters is in a honey moon phase where nothing he does is bad.... except that if we look at it objectively maybe it's not really all winners and there's a lot of "meh" in there.

Not really, Garrett didn't show enough in camp after his injury, we have another RB in camp now who looked good with the Vikes, and on film he showed enough to be kept around the team, it's pretty obvious that Crowotn and Burke liked Ford, but perhaps the old GM liked Garrett better and that's why he was kept cause he knew if we needed a rb he was a better choice? Having a new guy brought in hasn't helped the last couple games we've had to play without SImpson.

yeah and Burke was a hell of a DC, but we did get a chance to look at what Burke was all about as a HC last season, there were lots of red flags, not looking at those red flags and deciding to look at all potential candidates in the offseason was a huge mistake, easily the biggest by far. Was easy to over look the Lapo hiring just because Mack was freshly back to the CFL, but striking out a second time on the head coaching hire is pretty damned unforgiving. Burke should have been the first person fired from this team, but GMs don't get the chance to fire a head coach in 2 consecutive seasons so Mack was first to go, doesn't mean Burke wasn't the biggest misstep he made.

AINEC. Seriously anyone taking any qb over Ray is an idiot let alone one who hasn't done anything in the league yet.

bah Tim Burke loves his athletes as well, case in point all the raving he did about Cauchy Muamba in preseason, specifically his athleticism. All the raving he did about Markett, specifically the athleticism, all the raving he did about Goltz, specifically the athleticism. Hell remember that Goltz didn't get his own special package in the offense until Burke took over... All this blaming Mack for Goltz is ridiculous when Goltz biggest and most vocal supporter was Tim Burke, until Goltz had some bad stretches of play, then Burke was pretty quick to turn on him. Course Burke is a smart guy, he knows that the fired GM is a great scapegoat so he can try and buy himself some breathing room by joining in on the piling on.

Walters is looking good because Mack was asleep at the wheel... Walters found import tackles and signed some castoffs - but all GMs (except Mack) do that... I would agree that the jury is still out - i.e. Bo Smith, Levi Brown, etc... However, I do think that Walters ends up as our full-time GM - there is such a tiny window to sign Collaros or anyone before the Ottawa draft... if he gets that done, how do you fire/demote him after that? If he doesn't get it done, is there really time to get a new GM in place before free agency? If Higgins or someone is available, they would have to be in here by mid-December at the latest. Chances are Mack would have brought in the same tackles just because it's the scouting that finds players and we have the same scouts, other than that Kelly is the only guy Walters has brought in that has made an actual impact so far. People are freaking out cause the guy said the right things and brought in a couple bodies, but Mack brought in bodies when he needed them too, just tended to be from a different source. The amount of crap that Mack gets thrown at him is too damned high and because he made such a good scape goat Walters has a pretty easy job. Never mind that the biggest mistake is still there (Burke) and the team still has no life and still regularly gets out coached and continually shows no signs of life.

best offer he gets + $1

So here's another thing that should be brought up... I know everyone is loving Walters right now but don't we raise an eyebrow having to use a guy like Ford at rb right now when Garrett would in my mind anyway be a better option for the team as a full time starter? Seems that maybe they were too quick to cut the guy.

as good as muamba is I just don't see him having the kind of trade value that makes it worth shipping him out. Ship him out and you have no chance of getting him back as a FA, at least there's still the chance now that you can re-sign him just because I think the Bomber would be willing to pay more than any other CFL team.