pw13

Kudos to you and the others taking this sensible position, as opposed to the "don't put yourself in a vulnerable position" nonsense.
 

Kudos to you and the others taking this sensible position, as opposed to the "don't put yourself in a vulnerable position" nonsense.
 

Kudos to you and the others taking this sensible position, as opposed to the "don't put yourself in a vulnerable position" nonsense.
 

Kudos to you and the others taking this sensible position, as opposed to the "don't put yourself in a vulnerable position" nonsense.
 

You presumably mean Hendrix. IMO he's more like top 5, despite getting no all-star recognition. Must be re-signed.

You presumably mean Hendrix. IMO he's more like top 5, despite getting no all-star recognition. Must be re-signed.

You presumably mean Hendrix. IMO he's more like top 5, despite getting no all-star recognition. Must be re-signed.

This is not a lineup that makes a mockery of competition. Yes, they are not starting their starting QB, but other than that this is just about as full a lineup as they could muster. Two guys sitting out (McManis and Peters) got injured last week. Oakman might be considered a healthy scratch although he has been dinged a couple of times in recent games. Putting in Brinkman to replace him is not much of a step back, if at all. Oakman, Hendrix and Brinkman are all top-notch DTs; both Brinkman and Oakman were healthy scratches earlier this season when they were unable to dress three INT DTs because of roster issues elsewhere. Argos sat one regular (Ouellette) as a healthy scratch last week, and are arguably sitting one and resting one (who Dinwiddie said might see some action). 
 

That's a slight exaggeration, but yes, there was a major brouhaha between (the always-charming) Brandon Banks and Trevon Tate on the sideline in the second game of the year, and after the ninth game there was a fight in the locker room. And as it turned out, all that volatility helped bring the team together off the field as well as on. Over the final 11 games last season (nine RS pls two post-season), they lost a single game that actually mattered in the standings. And over the first 12 (meaningful) games this year, they lost a single game. That doesn't happen with a bad locker room.       

That's a slight exaggeration, but yes, there was a major brouhaha between (the always-charming) Brandon Banks and Trevon Tate on the sideline in the second game of the year, and after the ninth game there was a fight in the locker room. And as it turned out, all that volatility helped bring the team together off the field as well as on. Over the final 11 games last season (nine RS pls two post-season), they lost a single game that actually mattered in the standings. And over the first 12 (meaningful) games this year, they lost a single game. That doesn't happen with a bad locker room.       

I for one appreciate @pw13’s perspective. 
In agreement of details or not, I’m a sucker for CFL history. 
I was going to say, I remember them getting decent crowds in 06-07, when we had a decent little rivalry going. Don’t remember hearing anything about C&S papering. 

Yep. Argos are almost certainly gonna lose, and they don't care, so why should we? Bomber fans should be happy they're being gifted a win. If I were running the Argos I'd have fielded a full lineup for this game, and used meaningless games upcoming to rest guys. But fortunately for all concerned, I'm not running the Argos.
        

Argos have only one actual practice this week (tomorrow). Today's was described as a "walk-through." Chances are they will have a very vanilla game plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few other key players (in addition to Kelly) sit this one out. They're probably more interested in playing a full-ish lineup on Oct. 6 when they celebrate the team's 150th birthday. And then they'll likely use the last three games to rest some guys, try to stay semi-sharp, etc.
 

Argos have only one actual practice this week (tomorrow). Today's was described as a "walk-through." Chances are they will have a very vanilla game plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few other key players (in addition to Kelly) sit this one out. They're probably more interested in playing a full-ish lineup on Oct. 6 when they celebrate the team's 150th birthday. And then they'll likely use the last three games to rest some guys, try to stay semi-sharp, etc.
 

Yep. Argos are almost certainly gonna lose, and they don't care, so why should we? Bomber fans should be happy they're being gifted a win. If I were running the Argos I'd have fielded a full lineup for this game, and used meaningless games upcoming to rest guys. But fortunately for all concerned, I'm not running the Argos.
        

Argos have only one actual practice this week (tomorrow). Today's was described as a "walk-through." Chances are they will have a very vanilla game plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few other key players (in addition to Kelly) sit this one out. They're probably more interested in playing a full-ish lineup on Oct. 6 when they celebrate the team's 150th birthday. And then they'll likely use the last three games to rest some guys, try to stay semi-sharp, etc.
 

I'm humbled to be so informed -- I trust you've been at BMO Field to scope out the crowds of 2-3k last year. I bow to your superior knowledge about all things Argo. Since you know so much, perhaps you could tell us what exactly the vice-chair of the Argos does? Also, thanks for the correction on spelling the Rocket's last name. Ashamed to say I got it wrong (Ismail, silly me) in the book. Also ashamed to say the book was about more than "Ishmail." Again, silly me.
 
       
Wow, never heard that one before!  

That's a pretty inaccurate accusation of factual inaccuracy. Here are the actual facts:
Argos' announced attendance began declining in 1977, blipped up in 1982, began dropping again in 1983, blipped up in 1989-90 (when SkyDome was new, and those numbers were viewed very suspiciously by media covering the team during Harry Ornest's two years as owner). Up (for real) in 1991, then began declining again. Up slightly in Flutie's two seasons (to crowds not much bigger than today's). Big increase in 2004-5-6-7, but the widespread belief was that Cynamon and Sokolowski papered the house. Downward trend ever since, but now tracking upwards for three consecutive years.
You can accuse MLSE of "lying" about attendance, but -- presumably unlike you -- I go to every Argo home game and I can tell you the crowds have been much bigger this year than last year.  
Maybe you'd like further evidence: Toronto Argonauts All-Time Attendance on CFLdb Statistics
As for the second part of your rant, again "factually inaccurate." Pinball was not "running it"; he was completely uninvolved before Bill Manning (MLSE appointee) convinced him to return to the team as GM. Yes, Pinball hired Dinwiddie, but to suggest MLSE had "nothing to do with" any of this is utterly ridiculous. 
If you'd like to educate yourself better about the modern history of the Argos, I suggest you read these books:
Bouncing Back: From National Joke to Grey Cup Champs (lulu.com)
Year of the Rocket – Sutherland House Publishing (sutherlandhousebooks.com)
          

That's a pretty inaccurate accusation of factual inaccuracy. Here are the actual facts:
Argos' announced attendance began declining in 1977, blipped up in 1982, began dropping again in 1983, blipped up in 1989-90 (when SkyDome was new, and those numbers were viewed very suspiciously by media covering the team during Harry Ornest's two years as owner). Up (for real) in 1991, then began declining again. Up slightly in Flutie's two seasons (to crowds not much bigger than today's). Big increase in 2004-5-6-7, but the widespread belief was that Cynamon and Sokolowski papered the house. Downward trend ever since, but now tracking upwards for three consecutive years.
You can accuse MLSE of "lying" about attendance, but -- presumably unlike you -- I go to every Argo home game and I can tell you the crowds have been much bigger this year than last year.  
Maybe you'd like further evidence: Toronto Argonauts All-Time Attendance on CFLdb Statistics
As for the second part of your rant, again "factually inaccurate." Pinball was not "running it"; he was completely uninvolved before Bill Manning (MLSE appointee) convinced him to return to the team as GM. Yes, Pinball hired Dinwiddie, but to suggest MLSE had "nothing to do with" any of this is utterly ridiculous. 
If you'd like to educate yourself better about the modern history of the Argos, I suggest you read these books:
Bouncing Back: From National Joke to Grey Cup Champs (lulu.com)
Year of the Rocket – Sutherland House Publishing (sutherlandhousebooks.com)
          

FWIW, I have both of Paul's books in the provided links. They each tell a fascinating story about a bizarre time and place in the lore of a storied team.
I don't know if any MBB posters will part with their hard-earned to get them, but they're a great read for any CFL fan.

Nice to see such a high level of discussion here.

Nice to see such a high level of discussion here.

Nice to see such a high level of discussion here.

Argos will almost certainly lose Muamba to retirement, and will definitely lose Harris. Add in a couple of other older guys who might leave (such as Bladek) and the gap between what they are paying QBs this year and will pay them next year gets pretty slim. I don't see them having to cut anyone they really want to keep.      

Argos will almost certainly lose Muamba to retirement, and will definitely lose Harris. Add in a couple of other older guys who might leave (such as Bladek) and the gap between what they are paying QBs this year and will pay them next year gets pretty slim. I don't see them having to cut anyone they really want to keep.