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people who don't actually know what war is about always bring this up. And it's shocking the disconnect that's apparent. Choice vs no choice doesn't seem to connect with them. 

They also seem to forget that the one thing that helped bring them out of WWII was a massive collective effort from multiple countries and individuals gladly giving up their own freedoms even when faced with certain death, to help out those who didn't have a choice.

There also seems to be a lot of people who very much want to be seen as oppressed. And any inconvenience regardless of how trivial is now being used as a war cry!

Truly the stupidest people. 

Klepper is a gem.

Dare I say it, the perfect coordinator for Fajardo would be Lapo.

Nice gesture by the enemy:

  Hamilton Tiger-Cats   @Ticats   Last night we honoured the great @BobIrvingCJOB for his incredible contributions to the CFL. He might not wear the jersey , but he’ll be back as our guest of honour at the 2023 Grey Cup in Hamilton, to enjoy it as a true CFL fan. Congratulations & enjoy retirement, Bob!    

Randle was the first player who started the locker room reboot and culture change, followed by Neuf later that year.  Bryant was the next biggest piece in 2015 who solidified it and brought it that much further along  as more pieces were added....if you look back to the dark times, and the embarrassment we were, those are the 3 founding fathers...Its too bad Randle wasn't able to reap the rewards for his 5 years here...creating the work ethic and grooming and anointing BA as a leader...he noticed BA's character early on and took him under his wing to take over when he was gone...Well deserved ring(s) by Bryant and Neuf...loyal guys to the core who brought us from dumpster, to the penthouse...

Except nobody said any of that. Read it again.
Criticism of the government is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. However, that doesn't mean you can just mislabel public health orders as being "authoritarian, tyrannical, or fascist" or claim that any of those rights and freedoms have been stripped away without proof. Those sort of dangerously false claims by uneducated, misinformed individuals who can't see beyond themselves or their inflated entitlement are what antagonize the situation and make things worse for everyone. And it is wrong, as there is no evidence to substantiate any of it.
Running to the defense of delusional and sometimes hostile "freedom fighters" who protest in front of hospitals and harass others, berate store employees and other customers, and spread bullshit online, or claiming there are statistics and expert opinions to support viewpoints that have exacerbated this public health crisis is about as bad a look as clinging to that feeble "both sides" argument. "Of course won't all agree" comes across a lame copout and that type of indifference is not helpful. 
Not only do you ignore the majority of what you quoted, you completely misconstrue what was actually said and then argue it nonsensically. That's not conducive to having an open mind or in the spirit of healthy, rational discussion, despite your claiming that's what you're doing in this thread. 
You're basically trolling. But based on your activity history of seemingly contrarian fallacy posting, that's unsurprising.

This idea that there are facts supporting both sides is simply put incorrect. Oh sure you can find people saying what you want to hear, but that doesn't make what they are saying facts or even correct. A level of understanding is required to parse through what is legit and what isn't. Sadly a lot of people are incapable of doing so, which is when they should be listening to the experts who do have that ability. That doesn't happen though,  instead people go "well I saw this and it's what I want to believe so facts" 
 
It is a real problem in our society right now.

Anti-vaxxers are attacking both businesses and government. The public health orders are being labelled as "authoritarian, tyrannical, fascist" by these uneducated, overly entitled narcissists who only care about themselves. 
The "both sides" argument is such flimsy, ridiculous, and fallacious argument (look up the the paradox of tolerance - https://academy4sc.org/video/paradox-of-tolerance-to-tolerate-or-not-to-tolerate/).
There aren't two sides to this pandemic, anyway. There are those who understand science and act on it, and there are those who are simply ignorant and wrong. The latter should not be tolerated. Full stop.
People who have done their due diligence and their part for the good of all are tired of those who have exacerbated this crisis with their denial, deflection, and sometimes antisocial behaviour, perpetuating the hardship for everyone. They can't even see past their own noses. So, how do you reason with people like that?
And attempting to understand a person who chooses not to get vaccinated with the "medical freedom" or "my body, my choice" narrative is a futile endeavour, as there is no rational, objective, or scientific justification for either. They're often the same ones who claim, albeit erroneously, that rights and freedoms are being taken away or trampled on, but there's no evidence for that, either.
"The sky is green."
"The Earth is the centre of the solar system."
"Vaccines cause autism."
"The pandemic is a hoax."
"Bill Gates murders children."
"Justin Trudeau is a communist."
"5G causes health problems."
"The Holocaust didn't happen."
"The moon landings were fake."
"The Earth is flat."
Facts do not support any of those arguments. Not one. And those who choose to agree with such nonsensical claims without a shred of real, hard, verifiable evidence cause irreparable harm in doing so, especially when they have influence in society and can easily spread their ignorant messages on the internet and social media to others without accountability.
The world would be a much better place if people actually chose to be informed and educated, and put in the effort of understanding the world around them. Rather than fall prey to misinformation on Facebook or YouTube.
There is no respectful dialogue to be had with conspiracy theorists or the willfully misinformed. 
"It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan

I do think one would have had to live in a cave the past 20 months to be uneducated. The problem is that people seem to believe in conspiracy theories & that Big Government, Big Pharma, Big Oil, the Military Industrial Complex... Big ANYTHING is out to get them. There's enough dummies out there that are easily swayed which is unfortunate. No surprise when there are people out there that still believe the Earth is flat. 

How do you have respectful dialogue when people reject facts in favour of feelings?

Loved Fraggle Rock as a kid.
Was doing some work up at a mine a couple of years back and said to the guy (about 10 years younger than me) touring me around that it looked like Fraggle Rock down there.  He gave me a blank stare because he had no idea what I was talking about... I felt bad for him that he didn't know the joy of Fraggle Rock.
Made sure my kid knows about it... one of her nick names as a baby was Doozie, so we dressed her up as a doozer for Halloween when she was 2 or 3.

Yeah, and I think Neuf said "Hey... HEY!!!" and then just nodded at the guy who backed off (didn't catch who it was, but might have been Bailey.

Looks more like Fajardo after the WF

https://thenib.com/vaccines-work-here-are-the-facts-5de3d0f9ffd0/
This is damn near perfect in explaining the science and effectiveness of vaccines - in the most simple of terms.

Looks more like Fajardo after the WF

They probably care more about their "black out" thing.
He sets a physical tone. I think as far as guards go he is upper tier. 
Him telling Bailey to not touch the trophy last week, followed by the look on Bailey's face was hilarious.
He is a legit leader in the locker room.

Ever heard of the Manhattan Project? Put the world's smartest people in a room together and in enough time they will figure out how to split the atom. Get all the worlds best epidemiologists together in a room and they can tackle a novel virus. It's not that crazy to imagine a concentrated effort involving the entire world's scientific community can have some amazing breakthroughs in less time than seems possible to people who aren't epidemiologists

This has been explained over and over again. Nothing about this vaccine was "rushed". Not only was the technology years in the making, but no steps in the process were skipped, they were just able to be accelerated due to an unprecedented level of funding and cooperation. These vaccines will go down as essentially the most widely tested and scrutinized in history.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1
There's pretty much all you need to know on how the world was able to fast track this vaccine. It's almost as if humans can accomplish greatness when we work together for a common goal.

The unvaccinated transmit the virus at a higher rate.
If a few more boosters is what it'll take to get the world to a place where this particular strain of coronavirus becomes endemic on similar terms to the common cold, so be it. Being a member of functioning society requires being responsible and putting others ahead of oneself for the benefit of everyone. It's not like going to get a vaccine is some arduous undertaking, anyway.

Nobody ever claimed the vaccine prevents transmission of the virus or that its efficacy remains consistent depending on variant strains. The vaccine provides a layer of protection and is designed to help reduce the severity of symptoms caused by the virus.

LOL. Except unvaxxed people are taking up valuable ICU beds and sucking up resources resulting in a backlog of surgeries, the impacts of which will be felt in this province for years to come. Could be avoided if people did what was right for all of us, not just what was right for them. So no, they are not just as bad.
He is not at all credible to me, no. I don't claim to understand the science at all, but it's much easier for me to believe thousands of doctors across the world are working to help us, not hurt us. He goes against that grain. If over 60% of vax recipients DID suffer from blood clots our hospitals would be overflowing with blood clot patients. Instead, our hospitals are filled with COVID patients, most of whom at this point are unvaxxed. That's all I need to see at this point. The guy is a quack and was removed from YouTube for being a quack. Misinformation is dangerous. My dad needs surgery, along with thousands of other Manitobans. He can't get it because ourhealthcare system is under water. And we're gonna act like it's okay for people to continue promoting anti-vax or vax-skepticism... nah, F that.

Well he is a practicing doctor. 30  + years. It was removed from youtibe yes.
Im not anti vaccination.  What he says is sensible. Many of his patients were getting sick from the vaccine. He also talks about mandating kids to get the vaccine, that they are at such a low risk its actually unethical to have a perfectly healthy child get this specific jab.
The guys not a conspiracy crazed person. Hes not anti vaccination either. Just has some concerns that he brings to light.
I love how if you bring up any skepticism than your instantly labelled crazy or a conspiracy theorist.