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With a few players (I think we know who they are) if they are invited back to training camp with no promise of making the team that still wouldn’t sit well with me. Strong messages have to be sent in what expectations are being set for 2026.

So walters has been trimming some old folks pretty consistently in offseasons. I'd expect that to continue. I think they need to get back into trying to snag some key pieces through free agency again and put some focus on the lines again.

I sure am not overly optimistic about bringing the 'Miller' band back BUT now that it's a done deal, we better start working on how this is going to go down....We obviously can't make the same errors as this last season....namely roster management (that can be corrected) and the poor decision making that went on in free agency.....There's also no way to sell the re-signing of Thomas to the Bomber faithful and keeping Kola as our centre....Seeing no roster changes being made will send the signal more of the same ....This club has a chance to turn things around and making the same mistakes, that seen us 'just making the playoffs ,will not go over.....Call me a 'jaded optimist' with a touch of pessimism, about the club in general for 26' and hoping for change.... So que the 'dumb and dumber guy' with the subtitle...'so you think there's a chance'....cuz I think that's all we got

Collaros was third this year behind Rourke and Kelly. He was fourth in 2021. Starting qb & rb were 12% of cap in 2021 and 14% this year. Not that different. Strangely enough, or fb in 2021 was the third highest paid rb (Mike Miller).

Yes, was our QB the highest paid? Nope. Was AH making 250k a season. Nope. I have zero issues with BO being the highest paid RB. It's all about by how much, and whether we have that luxury.

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Was Harris not the highest paid rb in the league when we won back to back Cups?

huh, yeah, that's an elegant way to put it. nice.

This is not entirely wrong...

More like if we didn't cheap out on a kicker, didn't field injured guys who became liabilities, and if Zach could play even half decent considering his salary we would have more cups.

Ford was a wild over payment amd we were good since we have depth in our secondary. Lawler the first time he left was a wild over payment. The last time it was questionable because it seemed like we were not far away from what we offered. Also questions on Schoen coming back and lots of assumptions that we wouldn't lose much productivity since Schoen is back. Dobson it was more like "We have Eli" who can replace him. I dont remember anything about money with Dobson.

I bet if players had made more plays from 2022-2024 we would have 4 cups as well. My bet is even more likely than your bet to be accurate. Despite coaching let downs we were a play or two from winning two of those games for sure. No coach would have overcome the ZC injury. We had nothing behind him. Unless one has the incredibly far fetched idea that Jake Dolegala Or Wilson was going to lead us to victory. The last Grey Cup went down the crapper when Collaros did. He was the only QB on our roster capable of winning that game. That's just the reality of it.

I think that was the consensus on 2 out of the 3 for sure. However, many here lamented the Lawler loss for the piss poor GMing that it was. Ford would still be an overpay. Dobson, wasn't really considered an overpay by most, but replaceable with what we had in Wallace. That's why we are fans though. We don't get paid big dollars to make proper talent assessment . I mean read the forum for the past number of years, we still have guys that think that Kramdi isn't a good player. Walters does and therefore when we look back in retrospect, our opinions of the moves at the time don't have to have a great deal of accuracy. A CFL GM does not get to have the same level of accuracy as a fan, he must be better than Joe Blow.

Does Hogan have any more time left on his contract?

I could have sworn the consensus here was that Dobson, Ford and Lawler were all a wild overpayment and the Bombers were smart to not pay the asking price......?

He has good connections with the mb football community outside of the bison as well.

I don't disagree that losing Dobson set us back but it is revisionist to say it was easy money to afford him. He was the 9th highest paid olineman and like 4th highest paid guard in the league. Everyone above him were proven league all-stars. He had had a couple decent seasons here.

If a rift is necessary, then a rift it must be. If that rift can't be navigated someone has to go. I would rather Walters do his job, and if the situation were to become untenable then do what else is necessary. I don't buy into the notion that Walters must be OSH's puppet for harmony. That's a cop out for Walters not doing his job.

I guess it depends on his season this year really. However, just browsing the interweb he seems to be rated as a non-draftee possible UDFA NFL type. Might be a real good guy to draft if he is still there. Not sure who ahead of us is looking at Centre so I'd say he's a guy that could fit our draft needs.

I was wondering when Vaccaro would be eligible for the draft. He was named the best OL in the league (or country) before leaving the Bisons for Purdue. Would be a perfect guy to bring back. Wonder if he gets any NFL interest?

If we have to overspend the cap to quick fix...then we better I'm shocked Miller was all fine with re-upping both...But that being said, maybe he tore them both a new anus and said this is your one yr to fix this before it really spirals I truly dont think we that far off from reclaiming top spot...Just need to go into 2026 with open mind and new purpose and if that means flipping ratio around...tossing some guys to the curb, and actually being a big player in FA ...so be it But if we go into this season as we have....same template...basically same cast of character's...Then Miller should be getting the wrath of our frustration ....I very curious as to what December brings with re-signs with any left over 2025 money that might be there...that will be a good indicator, and maybe an announcement very early on withwho we moving on from and whatour staff is gonna look like

so you want a rift between your G.M and H.C?....No trust in his judgement...after all he is the coach and should see talent/value I agree tho Walter's needs to take more ownership and tell osh for a lack of better word's to "eff off" in some of his ideas YEAH...we dont have to play a Canadian RB...We choose to again...back to coach's eye for talent Kramdi..Thomas..Kolo...Hallett getting major reps...Corcorran...Korny...none those guys would get reps elsewhere like here...I cant see any starting anywhere else....Do a better job with your canadian talent and dont focus on ST only guys...Talented players can play teams....Untalented players who only can play teams dont make adequate backups let alone starters I think you meant what went wrong starting on 2023....that may be a better way to fix it...and stop referencing back to 2019-2021...Osh still lives there

I absolutely agree and Dobson even stated he gave Walters a chance to match. That was a mistake. It wasn't as big at the time he made it, but I think our franchise can ill afford another offseason of talent bleed off like last year. Losing 4 all stars in one season, all of whom wanted to return, is piss poor GMing. I completely agree with you about how we craft our TC's. Not working. Needs a revamp. I am hoping that Miller's retention of Walters/OSH came with some directives about changing up some of their flaws. If not....this year really is on Miller. I am still of the firm belief that at the very least Walters should have been fired, and OSH if necessary to appease a new GM. The mafia isn't working right now and I think Miller is a pretty savvy guy and has given some new ways forward to the management/coaching. If not, whatever they do this year could have been prevented.

Dobson got market value for 2nd yr deal for a Canadian Olineman....we could have easily kept him....Just look at what the the Human Ole' machine at center makes....drop his money...give it to Dobson....Same with what Thomas pulls in for his 18 games...prob top 3 in snaps on the dline for a grand total of 9 tackles...thats his stat line...18 games...9 tackles.....wow..... lot of our early struggles tho I think can be placed at the feet of another subpar and poorly crafted TC...again......Even some vets said it was an issue I just want t see real competition in camp...No Job is guaranteed/penciled in....no guys getting zero TC participation yet start Game 1.....You show best in camp...you get the spot....regardless of where you from...how long you been here....or in league....plain and simple...roll that unit out game 1-3 and if they gettin er done...keep on rolling, and players keep their spot with performance, or you lose your job. That's the world I came from and am still in with the football I'm still involved with Can Osh facilitate that?...thats the big question...Have my doubts until he shows that and a top ST player too league wide...that alone should have gave ol Osh a stiffer I talking eye for talent on his roster he choose But also other teams have their own pipeline they will exhaust first before scraps from elsewhere...plus it's a slap in the face of your scouting department too, to bypass their workfor other teams cuts...good way tolose staff