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Didn't Jake Thomas used to take reps at oline back in the day.... I think I found a solution !!

Turnstile would be an improvement... he's barely even a pylon out there.

Ya I'm not saying he's been bad but I just didn't expect him to stay healthy.

Crum has shown more then Strev. I'm a huge Strev fan (used to be my avatar for a few years on here) , but without his legs being healthy he's just not going to cut it. Sadly a guy like Dolegala would of been a better back up since he at least has the health to drop back and toss a dart (even if it is off target) and also being able to take a hit and get back up.

It just feels like the Blue 3 seasons ago were able to physically beat up teams and roll in depth players to keep legs fresh and were able to out muscle teams which would then lead to the turnovers on D and far more holes for the run game + time in the pocket for Zach. I said the same thing last season around this time of the year, they haven't been able to dominate anything at all. This team has absolutely no edge and are limping along. We need fresh faces and a pulse badly.

I had my doubts about Vaughters after the Stamps shed him, but we've had success with other teams' castoffs. Whatever oomph he had seems to be gone.

Which is where the dearly departed Wolitarski thrived.

Neuf needs to go along with said turnstile. Especially if i contribute my culinary skills ....:)

Wallace is loaded with potential and we will not know how good Neufeld still until the turnstile at center is upgraded.

Old school and tough as nails.....nothing wrong with that and quite frankly this club can use a whole lot of that about now

Oh I agree less than adequate starters make great backups on back third of their careers in some positions....especially ones with experience for if/when they have to come in a mixture of that and young guys earning their stripes on teams...is where you succeed But for most part...we have no clue of what many of the backups can do cause when have we seen them?....

and if they are bad...why they here? get others in Also...i've heard somewhere they all starters...are in the building casue they give us a chance to win....we like what they bring Well then...why dont they play for the under performers?....or at times...clearly injured guys

Jones should be in the middle...Kyrie been last of issues on defence

Not playing other players because they could be bad vs keep on playing bad players that are bad....

Logan got hurt in camp and clearly hasn't recovered. No problem in signing him, that's just bad luck. Mitchell came in slow and unprepared and hasn't looked like his old self at all. Really expected Kyrie to be hurt by now and we'd be seeing JJones.

dont know ubntil they get full reps....and if they dont...why they here whan 2/3rds of the guys in front of them dont appear to be viable They wouldnt make us worse thats for sure Thing is in this part of season you cant bring in all new guys....but you can use it as a advanced training camp/audition for next yrs camp...and team tho.....and not waste roster space and time bringing many back next yr if it obvious they are no better....start the process now....not in TC....With many of the same characters who you just dont know about yet....find out now....get ahead of the game And you cannot say with any certainty how much say/influence Osh has on who Walters signs...or doesnt...he may have hella sway...he may not From my time in football tho a HC will tell his g.m and scouts what he wants/needs in a player...and they try to full fill it....If he said we good with some the slugs we have...and find me some jobbers on teams....you think the scouts and g.m are gonna do opposite of what their HC requested? Fact of the mater there is a good portion of the roster just not good enough....too old....or majorly screwing the pooch casue they feel/lmow they are safe So....the smart minds would pull some for some the PR guys they are carrying...hence why they here and run them thru trial by fire...and if they not good enough...or show no upside....why they even here?...get rid of them Osh should be saying player a...b...c...etc just arent good enough...bring in some guys.... J.Jones is not an ham and egger either..T.Jones is more that than J.Jones...except in Osh eyes And when have you seen Bailey play to make that statement?...Person as well...hardly a ham and egger...cant judge him on 18 reps all yr yeah...a slightly better DT makes the other guys better...as they get less attention Same at center...a legit center makes your guards automatically better A mlb with consistent drops in coverage...ability to read a play and meet ball carrier in the hole...and not have him come to him 3 yards past l.o.s...makes your run defence better...etc...etc....piss poor guys....do nothing for the other 11 guys on the field other than make their jobs harder we are in perpetual never know here as nobody gets a shot...even with sub par play in front of them...Who can say Shay or Smith be no worse than say Wilson...but offer more upside...we cant...because naty a rep they get....they should be getting 4..5..6 reps a game to get integrated and see what they have loyalty to a player(s)only gets you so far...more times than not gets you a ticket ouuta town tho not maybe...unequivocally

its all i know and have ever seen/experienced....up to now

A few little upgrades = bigger overall upgrade... seriously the margins in the cfl between winning and losing are generally pretty small. And, if you try your depth for underperforming players and they don't work out then you move on from them too and find better depth. You don't just shrug and go "oh well, it is what it is for the season"

That's the type of ballsy attitude I'd like to see running the players......Booch you're hired

Osh trust and loyalty would constitute no problem for us with proper GMing. That is undeniable because the proof is out there historically. I get that people are angry now that our talent is crap that MOS is using the same tactics and hasn't adjusted to the circumstances, and that is fair criticism. However, at the end of the day when provided the talent MOS has clearly demonstrated that he can coach a team to both win GCs and to be perennial favorites/finalists. There is no arguing that fact because it is entrenched in history. Could he have done better along the way...maybe. However, he brought us an unprecedented run of success with his style so again I ask what is truly the majority of the problem...talent or coaching? I think that it is very clear we do not have the talent....and yes what we do have is being further hampered by poor coaching decisions and coordination. I am fully in favor of firing our coaching crew if we don't make the playoffs. However, it had better come after a Walters firing or else we will just get more crap GMing. I would LOVE to see Walters replaced by Rigmaiden this offseason.

Agreed, everyone's ability slides eventually. That's a good coaches job to recognize that. It gets into the " you're the head coach ,not their buddy " thing.

Why do we need backups when our starters aren’t good enough. We need starters.

I agree with this. We don’t indeed.

You think we have a bunch of high level CFL starters sitting on our benches? I don't. You think Person, J.Jones, Woods, Bailey elevate us to a serious contender? They are all ham and eggers. I mean seriously, is this the crux of the debate? Is this who people are clamoring for? I'm not saying any and all of them don't necessarily represent an upgrade here or there but if so it would be very little of one and certainly not enough to win us the games we are losing. No one is defending MOS's coaching but I think there are a crap load of people here leaving the true cause of our problems out of their crosshairs. When it comes to our front office/coaching this fiasco of a season is 80% Walters fault and 20% MOS and crew. Anyone saying that MOS can't win if you give him the horses hasn't been watching our last 7 seasons. We simply are outclassed in the talent department. MOS is making some crap choices too, but he doesn't exactly have a boat load of reasonable options either.

It's more so that the guys he put that trusted are past their prime and can't be the guys he needs them to be anymore.