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Considering bc has a good talented dl, I think the pass pro was far better than adequate. You just don’t get games with no hits no pressures on a regular basis. Also, some of his worst throws came with time and a clean pocket. I don’t think a better performance by the ok would’ve changed any thing. He chucked ducks with lots of time and open guys. No one’s throwing the ball down field on the regular when the wr is already 40 yards out. You’d need to be throwing 70yards down field to hit a guy in stride with the ball out of your hand at a target 40 yards down field. 3-4 seconds is what you aim for, but’s that’s ball out at 20 ish yards and including stepping up and getting it out. If you watch the advanced feed from tsn, they show the pocket time on the snaps. Zach had lots of 3-4 second pockets, and wasn’t seeing pressure in less than 2.5.

Yep, pretty interesting story behind the meaning of his surname too. Snafu. It’d be funny if it wasn’t soo damn sad for the league.

It very much is a priority for him. He and the Pejovic brothers partnered up and moved their office just outside the city on Henderson. But it’s a job he can do from anywhere. And with the short CFL season he can work from the road and see clients when he’s back in town.

And this is what I come to MBB for...

It seemed like both Nielsen and Glen were exceptionally bad last night. Suitor multiple times obviously. The one that stuck out was saying if Shehans punt went out of bounds it would be a penalty....even though it bounced half a dozen times before he mentioned that. And Nielsen talking how because the onside kick was touched by schoen it was now a "live ball". It felt like I was saying, wtf are you talking about? Way too many times while listening to those two.

Yeah typo on my part. Vah-vull is how I heard it, not Vah-lull.

You need adequate time to hit the routes that are called. So if they are trying to take vertical shots and want that to be a large part of the offense, they need to be able to protect so their QB can make the read (some of that pre-snap for sure) and have time/space to make that throw. That was not there on the majority of drops last night. You think the fastest guy in the league running at full sprint is taking 4 and a half seconds to get 40 yards downfield so you need 3+ seconds really if you're taking vertical shots and expecting to hit them. Something probably a lot of people don't consider is the space in the pocket....like it's as impactful to the QB (and to some extent the RB) if one of the OL is getting driven into him as if a defender is loose. Forces QB to bring eyes down and navigate pocket more than read downfield or be able to set feet to throw. Huge effect on ability to go vertical with a pass. Pocket for a straight drop is basically the mouth on a sad face emoji. Any deviation from that can be a problem for the QB's ability to get that ball out on time, accurately. Does Collaros force the vertical stuff? Absofuckinglutely. It's been his style forever. He's your guy, you've gotta be building the offense around that. I'm not a fan of that "switch" (that's what we call it, basically inside slot crosses safety face on vertical through the middle) GO route to Demski. He's gotta be wide open to catch that even if that's a perfect ball. Hate that we're calling plays that rely on a defensive breakdown. I don't know if Schoen is struggling physically, but we sure aren't seeing him go vertical a ton. And other than Wheatfall/Schoen we're not brimming with catch radius guys which is always who Collaros has success with. IMO...OL yesterday was about a 4/10. Not a total disaster like games against Toronto last year, but if that's the level they played 18 games at you'd be a sub-.500 team. D basically score 10 points last night, O had 3 scoring drives. Nowhere near good enough. Way too much pressure, not moving anyone at the line, not creating those creases for the backs in zone to make their cut and hit a seam with speed. Overall if you want to boil it down, they got bodied on more plays than not. BC had almost all their guys and they came out with a bit more fire on the DL, and once they got going things snowballed physically for our OL. Week 1 they were about a 8/10. Amazing opening vertical gaps for the RB's, and basically no pressures allowed at all on dropbacks, physically dominant. Only time you saw anyone on BC's DL was on rollouts. First half some struggles but mostly on QB/receivers getting in rhythm. Run game was dominant from start to finish and that's all physicality from OL because the back is all slash...hit the mark in zone, make the cut, hit the crease. Crease isn't there, Peterson isn't making something from nothing like Oliveira might to grab 5-6 yards.

If not for that late TD, which made this game look closer than it was, we’re talking about a three score win. If BO gets back and our ratio allows for the same line as game one, Zach will be more than good enough. Plus we’re playing the Elks this week so there’s that as well 👍🏻

That doesn't seem right either... Isn't it Vaval (not Valul)....so VAH-vull. Which is how DT says it... *Edit* Double checked the roster.... Vaval... VAH-vull....

He did that last week too. I had to go looking for video for Valal in college to see how it was being pronounced (Vah-lull seemed to be most common) so no idea where Nielsen got it from.

I don't expect to see any D changes with it being a short week and MOS being MOS.

Correct- had a brain cramp but meant Drew Willy.

Bryant got beat bad...maybe once...and yeah that's a maybe...and obviously you don't understand how an oline works...starting from center...he fucks up...it makes issues for the guys outside of him...whether u belive that or not As for WJ...that bc olineman is a turd...When WJ went up for a pass knockdown on the td the olineman tried to lift him higher to toss him...and couldn't and WJ threw him to the ground...that's from some players mouths btw...not my "opinion " and when I went to the rewatch you can see the oline guy attempt it...and it cut away...but u see WJ toss him down...and he didnt like it and started the scrum I hopefully will get a peak at the all 24 but I doubt WJ gets any discipline for that

What did I make up? And yes Osh was "influenced" to sit Willy and go with Nichols...if that's what you referring to I don't think Osh evaluates everything he should at times with some players...what he values sometimes doesn't make the player better...with the majority of the gripes I have it's all about skill...skillset...upside..and actual ability...there are currently probably 5 spots i can think of on this roster where we could be so much better and it's with guys in house...but we don't get to see it..and prob 2 or 3 holdovers we could have got rid of and been no worse for wear and likely better and have possible upside too....but around here in a lot of instances...membership has it's privileges...so to say

Yup...I rewatched and the line wasn't an issue like some make it out to be...it was more a ZC issue..the ones that were apparent last yr already And that's the indicator in a player...especially at QB that they have or are in regression... Exactly what I touched on...the fact to we resigned him site unseen for 2026 as well was a bone head move His scripted first drive was good...after...hit and miss and the hits were not elite qb style hitting And we are saddled with Osh who will stick with a vet/fav/bias as long as they not in a wheel chair...and that's not good either

OK, so we’re agreed that his skills are diminished. And, it would appear he needs quite a bit of help just to be more than meh, let alone “lethal”. I think that his own diminishment is by far the biggest factor in his struggles and that the o-line was definitely good enough yesterday for a good quarterback to be successful. And he was…on one drive. After that, not so much. The bombers need a plan, immediate and mid to longer term, that takes their starter’s diminished skills into account. Maybe they have one. But if the best predictor of future behaviour is past behavior, the bombers’ plan is likely to ride this veteran way too long (exhibit a: see one Adam Bighill).

And TSN and CFL normally post 10 minute highlight packages shortly after the game ends.

Was sacked at least once and rushed a few times. I think JBRs point (and forgive me if I'm wrong here) is that maybe Zach needs better than "adequate time" in the pocket to be lethal. I still believe he has the ability... But he needs more around him than he did in 2022 when he lit the world on fire. Now, you can have the debate about "he's making too much money to need that much help" debate all you want, but the point remains... He needs a very specific set of tools to be truly successful.

Disagree that protection was the issue last night. Collaros had adequate time for the most part (was he even sacked?) and was going through his progressions. With the two pics, he threw off his back foot. Rainbow throws. The fact that he doesn’t eat those or throw it out of bounds is not on the oline.

I’d consider making some changes this week with the only dangerous when mobile and improvising ford at QB. Jon Jones would get in. I’d get Mitchell on this week also (something about playing old teams theory) Kyrie can come out. I’d get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center. That’s just hilarious honestly. Bryant getting beat isn’t cuz of Kolo. Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not. Cooley looked good. He can stay on. Not sure how you make it all work ratio wise but on would be J Jones, Vanterpool Mitchell. Off would be Kyrie Randolph and prob Sterns. Then you get Bailey on for Weitz cuz backup end is needed desperately with the aging ends we start. I’d consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person. Thomas shouldn’t be getting 70 percent of the starters reps either. I’d also, Tony Jones leaves a lot to be desired honestly. I dunno. Yeah tackles but most are after yards gained it seems. I just think he’s average. Why not Ayers at Wil J Jones in the middle. Kramdi for ratio purposes. Griffin and the cdn kids backing up.

With that promotion there may be more Bomber fans than Stampeder fans at the game. Kind of like how it used to be going to games in Calgary when the Riders were in town.

I was thinking more CNN or MSNBC. Totally revising history.

Everything you guys say Osh does, you appear to do the same thing. It’s pretty wild the narrative you constantly push when it appears you and Osh are similar actually. You have your guys who you think are all stars in the making and Osh has his guys who he thinks are. It’s actually just so repetitive at times it’s insane. Not talking you specifically here but making up **** now is just another level. @Tracker wtf dude seriously. ******* Fox News junkie much?

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