Jimmy Pop Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Taking Buff off this team doesn't just leave an offensive void. Who steps up the physicality? That appears to already be a missing ingredient from last season to this. HardCoreBlue, Atomic and Ducky 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Bogus choice. It's not Buff or Trouba, that's just speculation by guys that are certainly not NHL insiders any more than any of us are. Ducky and blitzmore 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Bob Mckenzie is an insider but I'd agree that he might be guessing. Why couldn't they afford both. Honestly if it does mean moving Enstrom and Myers and even Ladd.... sign buff. Sign Trouba. Besides they are playing together now so gotta think they are somewhat experimenting with the possibility of a buff trouba pairing moving forward. Unless you get an offer that you can't refuse for Buff... cuz this team showed they can play and win without buff. Don't forget he was suspended for the final 3 4 5 games last year and the only loss was in a shootout to Colorado Edited January 16, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Like I said earlier, Trouba hasn't shown enough to deserve anything but a two year bridge deal. If you front load a 6 year deal for Buff I think he would sign. I'd still trade Ladd and Myers but I know the Jets won't trade Myers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) There was some speculation when they traded for Myers that they might eventually flip him. I wouldn't be surprised if they do. I don't think having buff myers and trouba is likely. I think one will have to go. I dunno who. What if they trade buff buy sign him as a free agent lol. Edited January 16, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Purely because of his size, lets compare him to Chara. Chara spent his first 3 years with the Islanders, then 4 years with Ottawa before going to Boston. In Boston at the age of 28, he became the dominant defenceman that helped them win their cup. Chara went to Ottawa as part of the Yashin deal. Good trade for Ottawa. Horrible trade for the Islanders giving up on him. Ottawa had to choose between Chara and Wade Redden. They chose Redden in favour of Chara and let Chara walk in free agency. Chara was showing flashes and was a solid player, but certainly not what he would become in Boston. Horrible decision by Ottawa. Myers has spent 4 1/2 years with Buffalo and 1 1/2 years with Winnipeg and is now age 25. Do you want to be Ottawa and the islanders in the career of Myers or would you rather keep him and find out what he can become. GCJenks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I respect the opinions of guys like Mackenzie and Dreger but they are wrong just as often as they are right, if not more often. Not that they are lying or blindly speculating but things change on a daily basis behind the scenes. Dreger reports that LA and Kopitar are miles apart and two days later he signs. I understand the difficulty in signing both Buff and Trouba but how much money are we willing to shell out on potential for guys like Scheifele and Lowry? At 20-25 points a season should we be concerned about Lowry at all?? Can't let these young guys bend us over just because we've put some development time into them. There are always new prospects coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rich said: Purely because of his size, lets compare him to Chara. Chara spent his first 3 years with the Islanders, then 4 years with Ottawa before going to Boston. In Boston at the age of 28, he became the dominant defenceman that helped them win their cup. Chara went to Ottawa as part of the Yashin deal. Good trade for Ottawa. Horrible trade for the Islanders giving up on him. Ottawa had to choose between Chara and Wade Redden. They chose Redden in favour of Chara and let Chara walk in free agency. Chara was showing flashes and was a solid player, but certainly not what he would become in Boston. Horrible decision by Ottawa. Myers has spent 4 1/2 years with Buffalo and 1 1/2 years with Winnipeg and is now age 25. Do you want to be Ottawa and the islanders in the career of Myers or would you rather keep him and find out what he can become. I'd rather have all 3 of them but if I had to pick only two, Myers would be the odd man out....Buff was playing hurt tonight and was on the ice for 27:46.... is that enough emotional and physical involvement? Re-sign Buff. Trade Myers and Petan or something for Hamonic. Trouba-Buff and Hamonic-Enstrom isn't bad. I'd say Scheif more than Trouba or Lowry deserves a long term deal but I wouldn't sign any of those 3 to one. Offer them 2 year deals that are fair...Scheif gets 3.75 and 4.25...Trouba gets the same and Lowry gets 3.75 a year for two years...tell them to show how much they are worth for 2 years and guarantee them you will pay them what they are worth. Trade Ladd and a high pick and whatever else we need for a solid LHD, I won't be sad to see him leave. Edited January 16, 2016 by Ducky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Earth_Mud Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, Ducky said: I'd rather have all four of them but if I had to pick only two, Myers would be the odd man out....Buff was playing hurt tonight and was on the ice for 27:46.... is that enough emotional and physical involvement? Re-sign Buff. Trade Myers and Petan or something for Hamonic. Trouba-Buff and Hamonic-Enstrom isn't bad. I'd say Scheif more than Trouba or Lowry deserves a long term deal but I wouldn't sign any of those 3 to one. Offer them 2 year deals that are fair...Scheif gets 3.75 and 4.25...Trouba gets the same and Lowry gets 3.75 a year for two years...tell them to show how much they are worth for 2 years and guarantee them you will pay them what they are worth. Trade Ladd and a high pick and whatever else we need for a solid LHD, I won't be sad to see him leave. Seems like a horrible plan. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Scheif will get long term. Trouba might also. Lowry will get nothing close to that money. Guy was sent to the moose for God's sake lol. Why are we adding to myers to get Hamonic? Who wants to be traded and his preferred destination is here. New_Earth_Mud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 because hamonic is much better than myers. that is only 1.875 per year for lowry...he made over 1.1 per for the last 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Better defensively sure but u could rate Hamonic better defensively then all the Jets d-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 he's a true shutdwon D man....how many do we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) You are really over valuing Hamonic here big time. He's good but he's not elite. Myers can be. With that said I'd do myers for Hamonic. I ain't adding tho. Lots over valuing Hamonic since it's come out he wants to be here. Prior to that.... he wasn't really talked about that much if at all. Edited January 16, 2016 by Goalie Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 He isn't talked about much because he doesn't put up points....not his role on the team. Myers can be elite????????? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 8 hours ago, Goalie said: You are really over valuing Hamonic here big time. He's good but he's not elite. Myers can be. With that said I'd do myers for Hamonic. I ain't adding tho. Lots over valuing Hamonic since it's come out he wants to be here. Prior to that.... he wasn't really talked about that much if at all. This....I like Hamonic a lot, and he's got a great contract, but Myers is really good and has a really high ceiling. New_Earth_Mud, GCJenks, blitzmore and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 They've been talking about his ceiling since his rookie year......he's hit it. He is what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Disagree that a 25 year old player has hit his ceiling. Noeller, Jimmy Pop and Goalie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Why isn't he progressing? Myers has it his ceiling...if he was steadily progressing I would agree, but he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 28 or so is when d men normally reach their ceiling. For example Buff is what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Don't get me wrong, I like Myers. I just don't hold him up on a pedestal like some and he is a good 2RHD. It's just that we have two RHD better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Myers is better than Hamonic tho and isn't that the point here? Regardless of what anyone says, Myers is better than Hamonic. And he is progressing, I'm not sure how you can say he isn't, He's put up lots of points so far, he's pretty good defensively, better than Buff in the D zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 On January 15, 2016 at 11:22 AM, FrostyWinnipeg said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Weird post above. Sorry. Thing isn't working right. anyway.... the people who undervalue Myers the most are here. He was widely considered a top (or THE top) deadline pluer available. And the talk of flipping him I think was out of town experts who couldn't believe that the jets landed the prize pig last year. every team in the NHL wants a player like Myers. Mr Dee and New_Earth_Mud 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I don't know enough about Hamonic to comment about him, just as I didn't know enough about Myers before he came to the Jets. Myers is that kind of player that teams look at and covet. He's big and strong, he's got a nice reach and shot. He's got just enough savvy to be valuable now, and just enough upside to keep our team interested. You can see how he's progressing as he chooses when to "go" on offence, or to stay and play defence. He has not plateaued. I believe he's got more to contribute if we have the coaching to do it. He's a keeper IMO. Goalie, The Unknown Poster and blitzmore 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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