17to85 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Thing about progressing tho is when you consistently finish last... finishing 5th last is improving They went from last by a country mile the year they drafted Hall to last by a couple points when they drafted Nugent-Hopkins to 2nd last when they got Yakupov and then the lock out year with Kreuger they were drafting 7th overall. All those years the metrics were improving. Less goals against, more goals for and yes more points in the standings. That's progress. Maybe not fast progress but it's progress. They McTavish fired Kreuger and hired Eakins and the goals against ballooned up and guys who used to be able to score had a hell of a time scoring. It's black and white staring people in the faces but they choose instead to fall into the "Herp derp Oilerz suck!!11!! look at the #1 draft picks!" Firing Tom Renney was a mistake because the management wanted to put it all on the young players while Renney was trying to shelter them and make them accountable. Kreuger only got that lockout season and he had some OK results with them. He had good PP and good PK to mask some of the issues 5 on 5 but then McTavish fired him because he didn't like him and hired Eakins who was just terrible at this NHL head coaching thing. Do you read your post before posting them? In the last six years they have finished 3rd last, 3rd last, 7th last (lockout), 2nd last, last and last. Where's the progression? Talk about a loser attitude....last is last dude, country mile or a point....you think it is okay for them to STILL be in the lottery after all those picks? Unbelievable... Did you read it? You just fell into exactly what I described with the "Herp derp! They suck, look at all the last place finishes!!!" Try reading what I said and you can see where the progress came from prior to Eakins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I am looking at their standings and if you call that progression then, wow, are they ever progressing!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I am looking at their standings and if you call that progression then, wow, are they ever progressing!!!!!!!!! And I am looking at points in the standings, goals for, goals against... all signs of progress to someone capable of looking at more than where someone finished. It is quite clear that there was progress made before Eakins was hired. Then he took a better on paper roster and got worse finishes than before he arrived including worse goals for and against. Try reading and see what the point is. You have to actually understand the situation before you can discuss it, but apparently your level of assessment begins and ends with what position a team drafted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I am looking at their standings and if you call that progression then, wow, are they ever progressing!!!!!!!!! I'd hate to see the Oilers in a slump? The story so far for me is how much the Ducks and Flames are sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I am looking at their standings and if you call that progression then, wow, are they ever progressing!!!!!!!!! And I am looking at points in the standings, goals for, goals against... all signs of progress to someone capable of looking at more than where someone finished. It is quite clear that there was progress made before Eakins was hired. Then he took a better on paper roster and got worse finishes than before he arrived including worse goals for and against. Try reading and see what the point is. You have to actually understand the situation before you can discuss it, but apparently your level of assessment begins and ends with what position a team drafted in. Cry me a river....the stats that count are W's and L's............they are on pace for a 55 point season...ya, I know it's early but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them finish in the bottom 5 again...........even with a very good (in my opinion) coach. Progress my azz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Ill just say this and be done with this whole Oilers stuff, They won't make the playoffs, they probably won't finish bottom 5, there are worse teams than them.... Buffalo,CBJ,NJ,BOSTON and even Calgary and regardless of how they look currently, Arizona is a worse team too, however Arizona has that 1 thing the Oilers are lacking and that's a legit #1 d man in OEL... Like the Oilers but until they fix that D, they aren't gonna be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I am looking at their standings and if you call that progression then, wow, are they ever progressing!!!!!!!!! And I am looking at points in the standings, goals for, goals against... all signs of progress to someone capable of looking at more than where someone finished. It is quite clear that there was progress made before Eakins was hired. Then he took a better on paper roster and got worse finishes than before he arrived including worse goals for and against. Try reading and see what the point is. You have to actually understand the situation before you can discuss it, but apparently your level of assessment begins and ends with what position a team drafted in. Cry me a river....the stats that count are W's and L's............they are on pace for a 55 point season...ya, I know it's early but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them finish in the bottom 5 again...........even with a very good (in my opinion) coach. Progress my azz. But you are again missing the point, the progress I speak of was before Eakins. Eakins arrested that and started them on regression. The lockout year they were sitting in a playoff position at the trade deadline before falling off the pace in the final weeks. Doesn't that sound like normal progress for a rebuilding team? First couple years bad then make progress and become a team in the mix until the end. But then Eakins was hired and it all got set back. Throw in Craig McTavish completely botching situations like the one with Petry and you start to see why they were in the lottery for McDavid. Pace right now is irrelevant. They lost to teams sitting near the top of the standings and are coming off back to back wins on division rivals. You want to jump the gun after 6 games go right ahead, but this Oilers team is a lot different than it was last year or the year before or the one before that or the one before that and watching the games shows it very clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlanticRiderFan Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I am looking at their standings and if you call that progression then, wow, are they ever progressing!!!!!!!!! And I am looking at points in the standings, goals for, goals against... all signs of progress to someone capable of looking at more than where someone finished. It is quite clear that there was progress made before Eakins was hired. Then he took a better on paper roster and got worse finishes than before he arrived including worse goals for and against. Try reading and see what the point is. You have to actually understand the situation before you can discuss it, but apparently your level of assessment begins and ends with what position a team drafted in. Cry me a river....the stats that count are W's and L's............they are on pace for a 55 point season...ya, I know it's early but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them finish in the bottom 5 again...........even with a very good (in my opinion) coach. Progress my azz. Ha, seriously? We're barely even into the season and you're jumping to those conclusions. Hilarious. The fact that we are now competing against teams like St. Louis is certainly progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 3 wins in a row now and the teams they lost to are still the top 3 teams in the conference. Tied for 9th but only a couple points back of 4th in the west. This is why you don't freak out about early losses to tough teams. Who knows where they will wind up finishing this season, but compared to the last two seasons where they were out of the playoffs basically by Halloween this year is much different. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 They were 15-0-2 against Detroit going back to 2009 so that was a good win for them. McDavid's game winner was beautiful & Yakupov looks so much better (and happier!) so far this season. 10 points in 3 games between the 2 of them now. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Not sure anybody in Edmonton is happier about McDavid's arrival than Yakupov. That's a tonne of speed on a line together. Also, lol at Letestu's finish on that beautiful feed from McDavid in front of the net last night. If I was him, I would refuse shifts with McDavid to avoid being embarrassed like that. Stick with the guys you can dump and chase with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 The only time Yakupov was really bad was when Eakins was coaching. He did lead rookies in goals (and the Oilers) and tied in rookie points the lockout year with Kreuger and he finished strongly after Eakins was fired. Yeah he is working really well with McDavid but it's not like he was totally useless before that, excepting with all time bad head coach Dallas Eakins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Not a fan of plus minus but yak Is always minus a bunch. He might score but he's o. Ice for lots of goals against too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Watched game last night they are definitely a better team but there in tough to make playoffs this year and probably next. Seems there on the right path though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Not a fan of plus minus but yak Is always minus a bunch. He might score but he's o. Ice for lots of goals against too. He is a plus player so far this year. Oilers under Eakins were a big minus team so a guy not scoring much is going to have a minus rating. Every oiler racked up big minuses plus minus is a reflection of a team not a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Ouch. That D tho. Non existent tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 The D is going to be the issue all season. It's a work in progress, to be polite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Andrew Defence can GTFO. Another mact legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Not a fan of plus minus but yak Is always minus a bunch. He might score but he's o. Ice for lots of goals against too. He is a plus player so far this year. Oilers under Eakins were a big minus team so a guy not scoring much is going to have a minus rating. Every oiler racked up big minuses plus minus is a reflection of a team not a player He is a zero player and McJesus is a -4... fire the coach!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The kids are putting up a good fight against a hot Canadiens team. Win or lose, coming back from a 3-0 deficit is very impressive. Good to see both Nurse and Draisaitl playing with the big boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 4 3 oilers win. The kids are alright. Draisaitl with the winner. Oilers are 8 2 1 tho against Montreal at rexall in last 11 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Did you see all the MTL jerseys in EDM? WTF! It was like salute to MTL night or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Same thing the night before in Vancouver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 At least it wasn't Leafs jerseys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 When the Leafs go west its the same thing even through they've sucked for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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