Catch all thread for discussing other NHL teams/news.

 

Up first:  Pittsburgh Penguins, my secondary team to cheer for.

 

I guess their worst start since Sid's rookie year could be because of their lousy defense.  Or bad coaching.  Or Kessel.

 

But in reality its because I took Fleury in my pool every year for 10 years until last year when I was fed up, he has his best year ever and then I took him this year and now he sucks. 

 

But really, whats the deal?  They might be the first to can their coach.

To get OEL we would need to add to our 1st overall pick, OEL is a legit top 5 D man in the league. We add, they certainly do not. Matthews is just a prospect after all, Yeah he has the potential to be very good but right now he's just a prospect, We add to our 1st overall to get OEL, I wouldn't do it because... Matthews has the potential to be a top elite franchise face, We aren't at the point in time where we trade our first round picks and definitely not 1st overall if we win it. Not a chance. Jets say thanks but no thanks and take Matthews and maybe make a trade elsewhere to address team needs. 

 

I honestly could see Trouba being shopped around a bit, And wouldn't be surprised if he is traded actually. I'm not sure but... I almost get the sense in listening to Maurice especially that they expect their young players to bust their ass in the off-season and work out and be ready to go come training camp. The knock on Trouba has been pretty much that he seems to not do that in the off season. I could see him being moved. 

 

Let's just leave this here...

 

I think it's more likely that if we win the draft lotttery, we keep our pick. I also think it's quite likely that Trouba could very well be traded if they feel he is not fully committed to being here long term. I mean really, if Trouba is hesitant to sign long term here (who knows exactly), That you could flip him for an equally talent LHD man if need be. 

 

Take Matthews. Trade Trouba for that young LHD guy, not OEL but someone more similar to Trouba... Maybe a guy like Lindholm in Anaheim, or a guy like Murray or even Werenski from CBJ, Provorov from Philly... These are guy's i'd be looking at in return for  Trouba. 

 

Why the heck would anyone but the Oilers pass up on a possible franchise center. They wouldn't. Of the top 6, Edmonton is the only team who would probably consider trading it. I don't think TML, VAN,CBJ,CAL or WPG does. 

 

Heres an interesting thought.. We win the Lottery, Arizona wins the 2nd or 3rd overall pick...

 

1st Trouba for 2nd or 3rd plus OEL? I'd consider it for sure. 

Edited April 11, 20169 yr by Goalie

Well with AZ without a GM you could smoke them if you had #1 pick.

OEL+Domi+#1

Edited April 11, 20169 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

Who ever gets Mathews as the first pick will definitely be getting calls from AZ they out of all the bottom teams need him for both on ice and off ice potential.

Teams will want OEL and the yotes owner said they will not trade OEL for Matthews. 

If they do they become Edmonton really. High end forwards with no elite d 

 

Doubt 1st overall is traded. OEL is also UFA in 3 years. Matthews ELC would end then . Dumb trade to make 

Edited April 11, 20169 yr by Goalie

@Goalie Right. The question was what would it take for us to trade 1st overall. It starts with OEL but they add.  Three high end including their first rounder and Id consider it. 

 

30 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Teams will want OEL and the yotes owner said they will not trade OEL for Matthews. 

If they do they become Edmonton really. High end forwards with no elite d 

 

Doubt 1st overall is traded. OEL is also UFA in 3 years. Matthews ELC would end then . Dumb trade to make 

Exactly......I'd absolutely love to see a stud like OEL here but he is only signed for 3 more years and we would have control of Matthews for a minimum of 7 years. For 1st overall it would have to start with Dylan Strome AND OEL or I would say no thanks.

Dano, Stuart, Staf and 1st overall for OEL, Strome, and their 1st overall in 2017 and we probably still aren't getting enough. Dogs add Merkley...

 

Not sure about Trouba's off season workouts but he spent last summer working out every day with Blake Wheeler in Florida where they both live in the summer. I'd trade him in  a deal with TO for Reilly + ? but would rather keep him.

You'll never get Reilly out of Toronto for Trouba straight up as Leaf fans would revolt , they think that Reilly is a better d-man at this time.

The only way Trouba goes is if he refuses to accept a reasonable deal and demands a trade.

20 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

The only way Trouba goes is if he refuses to accept a reasonable deal and demands a trade.

Whats reasonable?

2 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Whats reasonable?

I don't know.  But the Jets won't make an unreasonable offer.

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

I don't know.  But the Jets won't make an unreasonable offer.

Offer same as Maatta.

2 hours ago, bustamente said:

You'll never get Reilly out of Toronto for Trouba straight up as Leaf fans would revolt , they think that Reilly is a better d-man at this time.

They'd have a valid argument after this past season.

 

And the off season firings begin....

Kadri signs 4.5m x 6 years.

Reilly signs for 5m x 6 years.

Reilly is a comparable player to Trouba so this signing influences Trouba's contract.

Now we wait to find out if trouba WANTS to be here. I'd go 5.5 max. If he wants more... trade him 

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Goalie

That's a decent contract.  6 years would be ok too.  Offer .5M more for one extra year.  7 for Trouba, 8 For Scheif.

8 years for Trouba and 8 years for Scheif.

5.5m for Trouba and 7m for Scheif.

Has Trouba mentioned at all if he wants to stay in the city or not?  

Would he be wanting to go to a more "party" town?

46 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Has Trouba mentioned at all if he wants to stay in the city or not?  

Would he be wanting to go to a more "party" town?

if he's saying that then he's never been to Winkler.

4 hours ago, Ducky said:

Kadri signs 4.5m x 6 years.

Reilly signs for 5m x 6 years.

Reilly is a comparable player to Trouba so this signing influences Trouba's contract.

LOL! Comparable? In what bizarro world?

Reillys pt total has gone up every year. Trouba's has gone down every year. Compare him to Myers if anyone.

You compare Trouba to Maata and that's 4m/yr for 6 years.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

Points aren't the only way to judge a d man. Trouba put up the same amount of points as Hamonic and everyone wants him here badly. 

12 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Points aren't the only way to judge a d man. Trouba put up the same amount of points as Hamonic and everyone wants him here badly. 

Hamonic or Trouba? Cause I'm in the Hamonic camp.

 

59 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

LOL! Comparable? In what bizarro world?

Reillys pt total has gone up every year. Trouba's has gone down every year. Compare him to Myers if anyone.

You compare Trouba to Maata and that's 4m/yr for 6 years.

Doesn't Reilly get a lot more PP time than Trouba too? 

Trouba at the moment will get no more than Reilly, if his ask is crazy high he will be traded or they might try to offer a bridge deal and revisit the contract in a couple of years.

Six years doesn't make sense to me......he becomes a free agent at 28 and will demand another huge contract....8 years works much better and Trouba is generally considered to be a bit better than Reilly. People around here don't realize how much Trouba is valued by other GMs. An eight year contract would be 4 years of his UFA so you have to pay extra for that. If it is a bridge, it'll be around 3m-3.25m but if it is a long term, he'll get 5.5m per year minimum, probably more.

Same as Scheif. If he signs an 8 year deal, he would get 7m no problem. He'd be 31 when the contract expired. I'd give him 7m per year in an eight year deal without hesitation. A good chance he gets the C this off season but if he doesn't, it'll be his one day for sure.