Taynted_Fayth Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Denmark for chad owens (straight up or with something give or take to make it fair trade) Wild for Chick? (Same as above) My thinking is owens isnt having his best year, nor is denmark, but both can be explosive as well as owens improving our return game imo. Love wild as I do denmark but we are pretty deep at lb and need a rush end opposite to westerman. thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 NOOOOO!!! Chick & Owens are expensive, old & on the downslide. Wild is only 25 & will get better & better. Denmark is a solid receiver. Wouldn't touch those 2 with a 10 foot pole. Blueandgold, Westy Sucks, Bigblue204 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engelwood Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Nope, never, not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I only got to thinking about our situation based off some always fun to read riderfan fire sale threads, 1 was about trading vets, chick, gets, dressler n hall's names came up. Say what you want about age n price but imo chick is worth it. Cant get worse then paying for peach as one of or 2 DEs n chick is solid n fast. Im sure we could find the money for chick and I think sask would be interested in wild, their D for the most part stinks and wed be dealing from a position of meeting each others needs. Aside from westerman our Dline stinks, and with wild we have a very crowded lb group that its hard to even play them all. Imho we didnt really need wild but its great to have him all the same. owens like denmark is always a threat but both are having off years. I dont think its age slowing them down but maybe change of scenery for both rekindles both their all star potential/ability. And even tho stouds tooks one to the house this past game, owens has proven to be much more consistent threat, plus I believe he had oshea as his st coordinator in TO (?) Where he enjoyed his most success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 However if money is biggest issue, I dont believe denmark makes peanuts and if a restructured contract is needed for owens heavy with bonus incentives, so be it but I cant imagibe the $ tag between tbe 2 is crazy far off, could very well be a wash or close to. And chick is worth whatever peach makes + difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Heres some quick #s, : owen 33 coming off 989 yd receiving 7 td seson (his besst td season to date) John chick 32 (33 week before gc) currently 8 sacks I dont think they're necessarily on the decline or too old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I wouldn't make either trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I would only because I like owens as returner over stoudermere who im still not sold on. Im a denmark fan but hes been pretty iinvisible thisyear, or misused (thanks mb). Im also a wild fan to be sure (loved that final play hit in the calgary win to finish our 2014 season) but we got pretty good linebackers and when it comes down to it, wild may be better then the lot, but is it as impacting to the defense as a legit 2nd rushend? Sask wouldnt part with chick, but if ever an opportunity im thinking it woould take our "best" linebacker even if hes only been back 2 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 If this was a playoff bound team trying to make the final push to get that extra edge .....maybe....but otherwise signing expensive and old players at this stage does nothing to improve the on field product for the future. iso_55 and JohnnyOnTheSpot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I think giving fans something to get excited about finishing off year might go a long way for next years optimism. Ive seen alot of extremely discontent and slowly disconnecting fans this year probably more then I can recall in sometime, and that says alot after 25 years of futility. I know for myself my excitement for next season will rely heavily on what management changes occur in the offseason, but if we made some player moves n looked far better then weve been before this post season I might get excited regardless. Weve shown some fight last 2 weeks but I dont want remainder of the games showcasing us as lovable losers. I wanna see some pride restored next 4 weeks. Trades might not do it, but its doing something at least not just aww shucks fellas, good try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No to both. Wild is young and I'd rather have him then Chick. Ditto on Denmark over Owens (too injury prone). How about our scouts find a DE or receiver? Apparently its hard to do this though (see the past 2 years). Also hard to find mediorcre rbs so we had to bring in Walker to fill that role. iso_55 and TBURGESS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 However if money is biggest issue, I dont believe denmark makes peanuts and if a restructured contract is needed for owens heavy with bonus incentives, so be it but I cant imagibe the $ tag between tbe 2 is crazy far off, could very well be a wash or close to. And chick is worth whatever peach makes + difference When Owens re-signed in 2013, his deal made him one of if not the highest non-QB's in the league (he was coming off his MOP season). He would have to agree to a restructuring so you actually think he would be willing to come here for less guaranteed money? Considering he lives in the GTA year round now and given how our on-field product is constantly the sh*ts, what incentive is there for him to agree to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No to both. If Bombers would make a deal, I would like them to get rid of their high-priced players who underperformed... for draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 What was his contract length? 2013 was nearly 3 seasons ago (once this one finishes) I cant imagine barker would do anything above 2+1, so. He'd have to negotiate. With this season and some injuries happening, I think its fair to say the MOP leverage he once had is pretty much void now. Not to say he couldnt sign say $150k with 50k bonus IF he either revamps our return game or becomes a recieving threat again and/or both. I think chick is only mid way thru his contract since returning from the nfl but again I think hes worth big $. 8 sacks is still 8 better then almost our entire team not named westerman. And as mentioned the money peach is making covers a good portion of that as well as wilds salary (if that was indeed he piece moved) I cant be the only one who thinks we need a solid rush end opposite to westerman than a need for 10+ linebackers even if most are rostered just for st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Oh MOAB... you and your crazy trade suggestions... BIG NO to both of those suggestions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 What was his contract length? 2013 was nearly 3 seasons ago (once this one finishes) I cant imagine barker would do anything above 2+1, so. He'd have to negotiate. With this season and some injuries happening, I think its fair to say the MOP leverage he once had is pretty much void now. Not to say he couldnt sign say $150k with 50k bonus IF he either revamps our return game or becomes a recieving threat again and/or both. He signed an extension last season as well... 2013 was just when he signed the deal to become one of the highest paid players in the league. But even if his deal ends after this season... is that better or worse? If he's a free agent, then the Bombers give up Denny (who's under contract through 2016) for potentially nothing. If he's under contract, the they have to try to renegotiate with Owens who doesn't have to agree to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I would love to have either player on my team. However, both men have boat anchors for contracts so no thank you. Chick and Owens may be good players but both are making 200k or over a season. That is not good player import money, that is elite level import money, and I don't believe that either of them is elite in this league anymore. Certainly not Chick anyway. He is grossly overpaid. An argument could be made for Owens making that much since he is a dual threat player but his production has declined over the past season and a half. Essentially the proposed trade would net us Chick and Owens, lose us Denmark and Wild and 1-2 other good/solid players for cap reasons. Sorry...not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 We're 4 - 10, I'd do both those trades and a few more: Demond Washington for footballs Greg Peach for water bottles Chevy Walker for tape you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacklewasher Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 We're 4 - 10, I'd do both those trades and a few more: Demond Washington for footballs Greg Peach for water bottles Chevy Walker for tape you get the idea. What would you want for Lirim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 We're 4 - 10, I'd do both those trades and a few more: Demond Washington for footballs Greg Peach for water bottles Chevy Walker for tape you get the idea. What would you want for Lirim? Considering he's a free agent next season, a 3rd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 An emphatic "No" to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Owens is beat up. He's getting old approaching his mid 30's & he might have a season or 2 left. Chick is in his 30's as well. He's not the same player he was even 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Absolutely no. Both Chick and Owens have more of their playing days behind them than in front of them, and like it or not, we are now rebuilding for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 we have enough guys who have a hard time holding on to the ball when it comes to returns and you want owens? lol ok...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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