Jpan85 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I think O'shea will bring some balance to Etch D. Still going to see some crazy but be in a better place to make some adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleLevel Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 O'Shame, Bellefailure and Etchafairy. This forum season is going to be awesome. Well, at least you have the derisive nicknames figured out already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Plemons & Creehan have gone to TO with Burke. Floyd and Bomber_fanaddict 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 O'Shame, Bellefailure and Etchafairy. This forum season is going to be awesome. Well, at least you have the derisive nicknames figured out already Unfortunately, I can only take credit for Bellefailure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenaline_x Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 not sure i've seen etchandsketch d before. or know that it was him or what was crazy about it. anyone got some videos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Was the first to move a smaller guy into the SAM position. Now everyone does it. He had Tad Kornegay lined up every where and he made a lot of plays for the Riders in 2009 and 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Etcheverry has a pretty simple philosophy on defense. His strategy is basically just to try and confuse the hell out of the offense. He wants guys who can blitz from pretty much any spot on the field, guys who can move from the edge back into coverage and he thrives on having versatile bodies who can basically just fly around out there. Defensive tackles that can come off the edge, defensive ends who are capable of filling the responsibilities of a LB, safeties that can blitz, it's a big giant attempt at organized chaos. The problem with it? The end result is that he often confuses the hell out of the offense but he confuses the hell out of his own guys too and you end up seeing blown assignments. That, and he tends to not adjust once he's been figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Etcheverry has a pretty simple philosophy on defense. His strategy is basically just to try and confuse the hell out of the offense. He wants guys who can blitz from pretty much any spot on the field, guys who can move from the edge back into coverage and he thrives on having versatile bodies who can basically just fly around out there. Defensive tackles that can come off the edge, defensive ends who are capable of filling the responsibilities of a LB, safeties that can blitz, it's a big giant attempt at organized chaos. The problem with it? The end result is that he often confuses the hell out of the offense but he confuses the hell out of his own guys too and you end up seeing blown assignments. That, and he tends to not adjust once he's been figured out. Isn't that pretty close to what we were running last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Etcheverry has a pretty simple philosophy on defense. His strategy is basically just to try and confuse the hell out of the offense. He wants guys who can blitz from pretty much any spot on the field, guys who can move from the edge back into coverage and he thrives on having versatile bodies who can basically just fly around out there. Defensive tackles that can come off the edge, defensive ends who are capable of filling the responsibilities of a LB, safeties that can blitz, it's a big giant attempt at organized chaos. The problem with it? The end result is that he often confuses the hell out of the offense but he confuses the hell out of his own guys too and you end up seeing blown assignments. That, and he tends to not adjust once he's been figured out. Isn't that pretty close to what we were running last year? only half, all the Bombers were doing last year was confusing themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Etcheverry has a pretty simple philosophy on defense. His strategy is basically just to try and confuse the hell out of the offense. He wants guys who can blitz from pretty much any spot on the field, guys who can move from the edge back into coverage and he thrives on having versatile bodies who can basically just fly around out there. Defensive tackles that can come off the edge, defensive ends who are capable of filling the responsibilities of a LB, safeties that can blitz, it's a big giant attempt at organized chaos. The problem with it? The end result is that he often confuses the hell out of the offense but he confuses the hell out of his own guys too and you end up seeing blown assignments. That, and he tends to not adjust once he's been figured out. Isn't that pretty close to what we were running last year? It's basically the opposite. Burke relies on a 4 man rush and man or match coverage...very predictable, but if you have guys who execute and win the 1 on 1 battles, it can be spectacular. Etcheverry is more like Chris Jones, anyone can and will blitz and there will be a lot of zone defence behind that, sometimes with guys dropping into coverages that their position wouldn't in a more basic defence like Burke's. MOBomberFan and Valderan_CA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I for one much prefer the straightforward just beat the guy across from you type defenses. I don't think you need to be trying to rely on confusion as a defense, that just leads to getting figured out and exposed. At least in a more standard defense if something is getting exposed you know you have to replace the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 And I prefer the "guess what I'm going to do" defence, but not in any or all situations. I would want a basic D supplemented by packages of 'surprises'. If Etcheverry can work within a framework of O'Shea's, and have versatile enough players, then we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I for one much prefer the straightforward just beat the guy across from you type defenses. I don't think you need to be trying to rely on confusion as a defense, that just leads to getting figured out and exposed. At least in a more standard defense if something is getting exposed you know you have to replace the player. I'm pretty sure good coaches can figure out who has to go no matter what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I know he's the ST coordinator but i think Tracey will be very involved in setting up D schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I for one much prefer the straightforward just beat the guy across from you type defenses. I don't think you need to be trying to rely on confusion as a defense, that just leads to getting figured out and exposed. At least in a more standard defense if something is getting exposed you know you have to replace the player. I like whatever works. Whatever the basic principles of the defense happens to be, they need to change tendency enough that the QB can't read them easily pre-snap, get rid of the ball fast and just roll down the field 8 yards at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Could Jonathan Himebauch end up as our Oline coach ? http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/12/argos-re-sign-talented-kicker-waters He may have a familiar face in Jonathan Himebauch, whom Milanovich named to his original staff two years ago, only to see Himebauch bolt to Wake Forest. The Argos have no offensive line coach, but Himebauch’s name has also been linked with Winnipeg and Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 The Bombers have yet to announce their entire coaching staff, but sources say those on the defensive side of the ball are set.Gary Etcheverry will return to the CFL as the defensive co-ordinator, and he will have Nelson Martin coaching the secondary, former Winnipeg special teams assistant Cory McDiarmid as his linebackers coach and Mike Scheper as the defensive line boss. The Bombers and Edmonton Eskimos are apparently both pursuing former Bombers offensive line coach Bob Wylie to fill that role with their respective clubs source: http://www.winnipegsun.com/2014/02/13/bombers-bringing-the-hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 From today's Winnipeg Sun: STAFF ALMOST SET The Bombers have yet to announce their entire coaching staff, but sources say those on the defensive side of the ball are set. Gary Etcheverry will return to the CFL as the defensive co-ordinator, and he will have Nelson Martin coaching the secondary, former Winnipeg special teams assistant Cory McDiarmid as his linebackers coach and Mike Scheper as the defensive line boss. The Bombers and Edmonton Eskimos are apparently both pursuing former Bombers offensive line coach Bob Wylie to fill that role with their respective clubs. http://m.winnipegsun.com/2014/02/13/bombers-bringing-the-hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 I don't mind this defensive lineup at all. Some decent CFL exp in there... Really do not want to lose the Wylie sweepstakes now... that's a critical one. And, again, no talk of a dedicated QB coach... I thought OShea said that was important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublezero Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 From today's Winnipeg Sun: STAFF ALMOST SET The Bombers have yet to announce their entire coaching staff, but sources say those on the defensive side of the ball are set. Gary Etcheverry will return to the CFL as the defensive co-ordinator, and he will have Nelson Martin coaching the secondary, former Winnipeg special teams assistant Cory McDiarmid as his linebackers coach and Mike Scheper as the defensive line boss. The Bombers and Edmonton Eskimos are apparently both pursuing former Bombers offensive line coach Bob Wylie to fill that role with their respective clubs. http://m.winnipegsun.com/2014/02/13/bombers-bringing-the-hammer. Wow, certainly lots of Canadian content and 3 down football knowledge on this Winnipeg Football Club, probably more Canadian coaches/managers than any other team in the CFL: Wade Miller, Kyle Walters, Ted Goveia, Mike O'Shea, Marcel Bellefeuille, Pat Tracey, Markus Howell, along with Nelson Martin and Cory McDiamid if report above is correct. Obviously Walters/O'Shea have purposely recruited a complement of experienced Canadians who understand the nuances of 12 men, 3 downs, 110 x 65 yards and the 20-second clock, because they've been playing/coaching the game for years. It is a different game from US ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Bob Wylie or Jonathan Himebauch would both be great additions as OL coach. Jonathan Himebauch also has experience as a CFL offensive coordinator, so could take over that role from Bellefeuille at some point. If it's down to Wylie or Himebauch for the OL coach, I am feeling very comfortable. Asides from Etcheverry, we seem to be putting together a very solid coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Bob Wylie or Jonathan Himebauch would both be great additions as OL coach. Jonathan Himebauch also has experience as a CFL offensive coordinator, so could take over that role from Bellefeuille at some point. If it's down to Wylie or Himebauch for the OL coach, I am feeling very comfortable. Asides from Etcheverry, we seem to be putting together a very solid coaching staff. Himebauch or Wylie as OL coach makes me feel very comfortable, but Himebauch doesn't have any experience as a CFL OC. As for the defense, I think Etcheverry is the least of our concerns. McDiarmid and Martin, especially the latter, worry me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Jonathan Himebauch technically has one month as the Argos OC, before he left for NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Jonathan Himebauch technically has one month as the Argos OC, before he left for NCAA. Yeah he was their OC from mid-December to mid-January. I'm not going to count that as any type of relevant experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Jonathan Himebauch technically has one month as the Argos OC, before he left for NCAA. Yeah he was their OC from mid-December to mid-January. I'm not going to count that as any type of relevant experience. I thought it was during their TC. Either way, I won't disagree with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now