Is this ever a guy we should take a run at? I really like Pokey as a receiver but not sure he's a 1A Superstar guy... Would you ever take a run at Hatcher as your #1 and then have Pokey and Demski as 2/3?

 

 

Just now, GCn20 said:

Ceresna is 10x the DE that Vaughters is. I can't believe Migs is even trying to compare Vaughters to Carney or Ceresna, they are on a completely different level compared to Vaughters. Vaughters might be the worst starting DE in the CFL.

Not saying Vaughters in the caliber of Carney, just that he would be a good rotational player.   Looks like he had twice as many sacks last season than any other Bomber.

1 minute ago, JGD said:

1 sack in 11 games?   ok then

Not bag for playing on 1 leg.

Just now, JGD said:

1 sack in 11 games?   ok then

God I wish you were the GM of the RIders, we could have traded Vaughters for Carney last year. You guys lost probably the best DE in the league last year and replaced him with one of the worst who is in decline.

Just now, Bubba Zanetti said:

Not bag for playing on 1 leg.

Hopefully he is healed up

Just now, JGD said:

Hopefully he is healed up

 I think so:

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Just now, GCn20 said:

God I wish you were the GM of the RIders, we could have traded Vaughters for Carney last year. You guys lost probably the best DE in the league last year and replaced him with one of the worst who is in decline.

I highly doubt the Riders are done signing Dlineman.   Hervey gave Carney a ridiculous amount of money, can't blame him for moving on.  I just find it odd that you say Vaughters is in decline when he had more than twice the amount of sacks than any other Bomber last year.   Will be interesting to see how he does in the Riders system as many wrote off Carney after the 2024 season.

10 minutes ago, JGD said:

I highly doubt the Riders are done signing Dlineman.   Hervey gave Carney a ridiculous amount of money, can't blame him for moving on.  I just find it odd that you say Vaughters is in decline when he had more than twice the amount of sacks than any other Bomber last year.   Will be interesting to see how he does in the Riders system as many wrote off Carney after the 2024 season.

Let me type slowly so you will understand. Sacks, especially when you are talking 6 of them, mean nothing. His PFF was the 2nd lowest at QB pressures in the entire league last year. He, also, struggled badly at holding the edge because he was too slow. We had probably the worst DL in the entire CFL last year, and chose not to offer him a new contract. That ought to tell you way more about his on field impact than the fact the QB got pushed to him a few times last year. We had zero pressure off the edge last year...like none....and we got scorched because of it. Willie J was asked to drop out a lot of the time, so he can be forgiven, but Vaughters did zero and he was supposed to be our pressure guy off the edge. You guys got the worst De from the worst DL....and you think it was a good signing. You are proof that Da Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.

After about 2 games of running backs going around the edge on Vaughters and QBs breaking contain on him and QBs surveying the horizon because they have all day in the pocket, and you will realize fully what you had in Carney and what you got in Vaughters. It will cost you games. The losses you guys took will result in lost games. I predict no better than 3rd in the West for you guys next year, and MIGs, you know as well as I do that I am really good at accurately predicting the Riders.

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16 minutes ago, JGD said:

I highly doubt the Riders are done signing Dlineman.   Hervey gave Carney a ridiculous amount of money, can't blame him for moving on.  I just find it odd that you say Vaughters is in decline when he had more than twice the amount of sacks than any other Bomber last year.   Will be interesting to see how he does in the Riders system as many wrote off Carney after the 2024 season.

Better not be done signing, you guys have what amounts to a pile of rubbish signed at DL right now. 

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19 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

LMAO...you are seriously trying to compare the two? Ceresna on his worst day was/is better than Vaughters on his best. Take a look at their physiques and get back to me. 

 

LMAO. Migs don't ever change. Vaughters isn't good enough to belong in the same conversation as Carney, and you will soon find out that all stars leaving to be replaced by recruits isn't the slam dunk you think it is. Meyers might be back by Banjo Bowl, but at this point and time he is a Bengal and your receiving corps and depth is just a shell of what it was. Your DL even moreso. Trust me, if you think Vaughters is the answer you are smoking the real good stuff.

Did you just say to compare their physiques?    Seriously? lol

I never said Vaughters was as good as Carney, I said Vaughters could be a good rotational player in Mace's system.  I believe they worked together in Calgary so Mace is familiar with them.  

How exactly is the Riders receiving corp a shell of what is was?   We lost 2 depth receivers to other teams and one starter to the NFL.  Meyers will be back by LDC like Ajou last year, you and I both know that.    Very few heard of Nield or Robistelli at this time last year.

The Riders did re-up a bunch of players, but no question they took a major punch to the gut with the losses.   It will TBD if the recruits they bring in can perform.   

We always say you don't win a cup when you win free agency (see the Elks over the last 15 seasons).    However losing 5 - 10 quality young players and depth pieces in one year cannot make the run any easier.     It wasn't like they shedded dead weight from the club.  

Also Vaughters isn't the worst guy in the league... he's just an invisible guy.    If he plays how he did last season then he's a C level signing.   If he can perform at his best then he's more of a B+ signing.  

 

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

Better not be done signing, you guys have what amounts to a pile of rubbish signed at DL right now. 

Its February. 

20 minutes ago, JGD said:

I highly doubt the Riders are done signing Dlineman.   Hervey gave Carney a ridiculous amount of money, can't blame him for moving on.  I just find it odd that you say Vaughters is in decline when he had more than twice the amount of sacks than any other Bomber last year.   Will be interesting to see how he does in the Riders system as many wrote off Carney after the 2024 season.

Lemon / Mauldin could probably be picked up on the cheap.  Might be serviceable in a rotation on a one year prove me deal.    

4 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Lemon / Mauldin could probably be picked up on the cheap.  Might be serviceable in a rotation on a one year prove me deal.    

Lemon will never go to the RIders imo. Bad blood between those two. However, Mauldin (if he was cheap) might be worth a camp invite. Even tho he looked really bad last year, maybe he just needs a fresh start,

Vaughters was OK last year. Not great not bad.... if you're expecting more prepare to be disappointed. 

 

Honestly it's hilarious that the riders fan comes her thinking their losses are no big deal... they had a pretty charmed season last year and they've lost a lot. Depth is important because injuries happen. Once the Bombers started losing their depth they didn't win championships either. You can hand have it all away but.... I wouldn't expect a repeat for the riders. Especially not when it looks like Winnipeg learned it's lesson last season and you can't count on those wins again. 

The Riders could sign every free agent and win 14 straight Grey Cups and they would still suck. That is just a fact. I don't know why Rider fans come on here thinking they can convince us otherwise.

2 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

The Riders could sign every free agent and win 14 straight Grey Cups and they would still suck. That is just a fact. I don't know why Rider fans come on here thinking they can convince us otherwise.

Cuz they are dumbasses. 

20 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Vaughters was OK last year. Not great not bad.... if you're expecting more prepare to be disappointed. 

 

Honestly it's hilarious that the riders fan comes her thinking their losses are no big deal... they had a pretty charmed season last year and they've lost a lot. Depth is important because injuries happen. Once the Bombers started losing their depth they didn't win championships either. You can hand have it all away but.... I wouldn't expect a repeat for the riders. Especially not when it looks like Winnipeg learned it's lesson last season and you can't count on those wins again. 

No I am not overly concerned about our losses yesterday as our personal department is very good at identifying talent.  Heck we have already gotten rid of 2 of our biggest weaknesses last year, Lauther and Alford.  This time last year nobody knew who Tom Nield, Joe Robistelli, and Baldonado were.  Heck many were laughing when we re-signed Carney last offseason.  

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Mr. and Mrs. Inconsistency? Yea...good luck with that.

All receiving are inconsistent when they are very young.   Ajou got an NFL contract for a reason and DDB has all the potential in the world.   Wiebe will be interesting as well, hope he's not too small.

1 hour ago, JGD said:

Don't forget Ajou and DuncanBusby

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

McManis would be awesome, but I doubt we have that kind of cash left.

I saw a report early this morning that he was getting ready to sign with the Tiger Cats. Haven't read anything since. 

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Lemon will never go to the RIders imo. Bad blood between those two. However, Mauldin (if he was cheap) might be worth a camp invite. Even tho he looked really bad last year, maybe he just needs a fresh start,

mauldin wasted his best years in a shitty organization with the RedBlacks. he should have bailed while he had the chance at his peak. Chose no to. Now, his career is roadkill. 

Stealth research has found a picture of JGD

 

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

First year in Saskatchewan he was playing musical chairs with some of his starters and telling the media that they would have to earn their way back onto the field. Don't get me wrong, a coach should do that sometimes but don't talk to the media about it. Players have long memories, not just the ones that you benched. It's an overall thing in a dressing room.  There was never any open dissension against him from players, but I guarantee that when you see a Grey Cup winning team take an absolute demolishment in the following FA, it's because there was never any loyalty developed by the GM/coach and therefore the dressing room felt little loyalty as well. 

I only remember this because it struck me as weird that Mace would do that so openly.

He has one good season under his belt of less than a 1000 yards. I'm not saying this contract will age well for him, but it's fair I think.  

Yet we've seen many players return to us for less than the market offered. One could call that loyalty.

Do you remember just how bad & undisciplined the Riders were under Craig Dickenson? He stood up for Garrett Marino who was a thug on the field & run out of the league. Duke Williams spit on an Argo & while injured off the Rider roster that same season took a swing at a Blue Bomber who ran out of bounds at the Rider bench right beside Dickenson. I don't recall much of a controversy at Mace's media conference when he was hired as Rider HC. Or if he even said that.

Players should have to make the team on merit. Not entitlement. We've seen that going on here for 12 years. We lost our fair share of players over the past 3 off seasons leading up to this one. The flip side is if you keep playing OTH veterans like Thomas & Kolankowski it creates a log jam & younger players who deserve it can't get on the field. They end up leaving at the end of their contract anyway. The older players keep signing because they want to keep playing & know that anywhere else they'd be cut. So, they re-sign these loyalty "cap friendly" deals.

I don't get your criticism of Mace. He's just doing his job. 

1 hour ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

The Riders could sign every free agent and win 14 straight Grey Cups and they would still suck. That is just a fact. I don't know why Rider fans come on here thinking they can convince us otherwise.

It's not about convincing. It's in their DNA, you know, science.

4 hours ago, Brandon said:

 

what a weird statement by Dunk... I'm pretty sure 7 other teams have also wanted McManis playing for them for years...

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Ceresna is 10x the DE that Vaughters is. I can't believe Migs is even trying to compare Vaughters to Carney or Ceresna, they are on a completely different level compared to Vaughters. Vaughters might be the worst starting DE in the CFL.

Ceresna is a better DE... and he's not even a DE, lol... I have no hate for Vaughters, he was OK last year... he would probably benefit from playing across from a star... and I'm not sure he'll have that in his new home

6 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Do you remember just how bad & undisciplined the Riders were under Craig Dickenson? He stood up for Garrett Marino who was a thug on the field & run out of the league. Duke Williams spit on an Argo & while injured off the Rider roster that same season took a swing at a Blue Bomber who ran out of bounds at the Rider bench right beside Dickenson. I don't recall much of a controversy at Mace's media conference when he was hired as Rider HC. Or if he even said that.

Players should have to make the team on merit. Not entitlement. We've seen that going on here for 12 years. We lost our fair share of players over the past 3 off seasons leading up to this one. The flip side is if you keep playing OTH veterans like Thomas & Kolankowski it creates a log jam & younger players who deserve it can't get on the field. They end up leaving at the end of their contract anyway. The older players keep signing because they want to keep playing & know that anywhere else they'd be cut. So, they re-sign these loyalty "cap friendly" deals.

I don't get your criticism of Mace. He's just doing his job. 

remember not that long ago you were saying Mace should be fired for taking responsibility for a loss??