Permission to talk: Is O'Shea leaving?

[wbbfan]

36 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The only way to beat a pressuring defense is the run game, quick 3 step drop & release, checkdowns out of gun or pistol. have a qb that can move the pocket or able to run & extend plays with his legs. It's unsustainable over an 18 game schedule. Which is why teams with a bad OL... lose on a consistent basis. 

I love to counter pressure with asymmetrical sets and heavy motion. Really put the secondary in a bind. 
Use ncaa style fast rpo, no step or one step throw screens. Throw to the area the defense vacates to pressure, or take advantage of miss matches like slot on lber or rb on db in hitches and quick hitters. Mesh is great vs pressure too. 

They to running vs pressure is to vary up the run touches to keep the D off kilter. Wide and outside zone are great to punish over pursuit, and draws. People tend of thin of draw only as an inside run from the gun, but you can delay toss to punish the edge, you can run search with delay or off a pump fake etc. 

[Brandon]

7 hours ago, Noeller said:

Holm is arguably our best DB. He was a ******* all star this year. It's wildly absurd to suggest getting rid of him.

People are insane for wanting Brady and Holm to be gone....  seriously why would you dump young Canadian all stars?   It's almost like fans are wanting this team to be dead last?    Cut the old guys with big salaries if you want to trim the fat.   

[Noeller]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

People are insane for wanting Brady and Holm to be gone....  seriously why would you dump young Canadian all stars?   It's almost like fans are wanting this team to be dead last?    Cut the old guys with big salaries if you want to trim the fat.   

Holm isn't Canadian... But still. 

[wbbfan]

5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Holm isn't Canadian... But still. 

he isn’t the best db on the team either, Nichols is better and worlds better tackling and filling a run fit. Griffin is better too. worlds more physical, versatile, and more steady in coverage.

That said, I could see kramdi being lured back to mtl, and I think nichols could chase a ring on a contender. I think holm is likely to get another raise. He basically played close to the level we paid him at, but we paid him way early. 

Holms consistency and ability to stay healthy despite a pretty slight build/frame is very impressive. Especially for a twitchy closing speed guy. 

I expect us to go to camp with some thing like allen woodbey holm griffin houston with bond and parker fighting for spots. At sam I think ayers, makonzo and smith fight for it. Maybe woodbey or griffin slide to that spot as well. 

[Booch]

13 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The only way to beat a pressuring defense is the run game, quick 3 step drop & release, checkdowns out of gun or pistol. have a qb that can move the pocket or able to run & extend plays with his legs. It's unsustainable over an 18 game schedule. Which is why teams with a bad OL... lose on a consistent basis. 

Thats something also that ZC was never good at really either.

8 hours ago, wbbfan said:

he isn’t the best db on the team either, Nichols is better and worlds better tackling and filling a run fit. Griffin is better too. worlds more physical, versatile, and more steady in coverage.

That said, I could see kramdi being lured back to mtl, and I think nichols could chase a ring on a contender. I think holm is likely to get another raise. He basically played close to the level we paid him at, but we paid him way early. 

Holms consistency and ability to stay healthy despite a pretty slight build/frame is very impressive. Especially for a twitchy closing speed guy. 

I expect us to go to camp with some thing like allen woodbey holm griffin houston with bond and parker fighting for spots. At sam I think ayers, makonzo and smith fight for it. Maybe woodbey or griffin slide to that spot as well. 

Yeah...Holm is good...the best...irreplaceable....hardly

Osh made a comment about him and fans and media just ran with it....re-watch every game...he got exposed more times than he made impactful plays...or teams schemed away from him...if anything they attacked his side of field more

I don't say we have to dump him...but if we can get better...or even as good with a younger guy...a physical one as well...for half the cost almost...u do it

We havnt won a cup with him so not like he was a lynchpin on defence

People need to realize if u can get better...and ar game time fix the sms...u do it..

[Mark H.]

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Thats something also that ZC was never good at really either.

Which is just another head scratcher. It was completely predictable that he would not fare well behind this year's OL.

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Which is just another head scratcher. It was completely predictable that he would not fare well behind this year's OL.

He would have with constant slide protections...moving line and pocket and throwing from different points on the field....sprint and roll outs as our basis of attack....or with a scheme where we didn't basically eliminate parts of the field and have some receivers basically schemed out of any benefit...we were screwd from get go due to an OC with zero clue

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

Thats something also that ZC was never good at really either.

Yeah...Holm is good...the best...irreplaceable....hardly

Osh made a comment about him and fans and media just ran with it....re-watch every game...he got exposed more times than he made impactful plays...or teams schemed away from him...if anything they attacked his side of field more

I don't say we have to dump him...but if we can get better...or even as good with a younger guy...a physical one as well...for half the cost almost...u do it

We havnt won a cup with him so not like he was a lynchpin on defence

People need to realize if u can get better...and ar game time fix the sms...u do it..

Hard to say about Holm, how much of those times he was exposed was due to having new and underwhelming corners. I would be inclined to let OShea and Walters determine worth

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Pete

[Booch]

18 minutes ago, Pete said:

Hard to say about Holm, how much of those times he was exposed was due to having new and underwhelming corners. I would be inclined to let OShea and Walters determine worth

 

And why we have a weak...shallow and eroded roster...letting Osh soley determine worth

Holm was targeted extensively the previous yr as well..not just this...and the areas that teams attacked for most part were not corner related.