Riders are practicing today.

 

 

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Yeah you can't be a glue guy if you're not performing. Part of what makes a glue guy work is leading by example.

A great example of a glue guy, imo, is Sheed. He wasn't a top 3 WR, and he didn't need to be. He was the last imp wr on the roster, but after some early career struggles, was as reliable as can be, blocked his ass off, ran the sweep, and did all the little things extremely well. He was also a tremendous character guy, a leader, and a culture setter. 

 Early on when he was fighting his hands he was on the verge of getting cut. And when we got to a point where we needed to save money and develop more young wrs he was gone. Imo, he was gone a bit too soon. But he brought a lot while he was here. You don't need that guy, but you sure are glad to have him when hes here. 

Just now, wbbfan said:

A great example of a glue guy, imo, is Sheed. He wasn't a top 3 WR, and he didn't need to be. He was the last imp wr on the roster, but after some early career struggles, was as reliable as can be, blocked his ass off, ran the sweep, and did all the little things extremely well. He was also a tremendous character guy, a leader, and a culture setter. 

 Early on when he was fighting his hands he was on the verge of getting cut. And when we got to a point where we needed to save money and develop more young wrs he was gone. Imo, he was gone a bit too soon. But he brought a lot while he was here. You don't need that guy, but you sure are glad to have him when hes here. 

Some people are just wired more than others to lead, to influence, to set the right vibe, to be the glue but all have to perform and if glue teammates stop performing they quickly outstay their welcome in any work environment. The advantage one sometimes have over non-sport environments is one can move the glue guy who can't perform anymore to the level needed into coaching/management positions. MOS has made it known though that players like JT have earned the right to go out on their own in ending their playing careers. Like I said my guess is MOS wants his legacy to reflect loyalty and respect to players who earned their stripes. Admirable. Comes with some opposite effects as does most decisions we make in life.

5 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Some people are just wired more than others to lead, to influence, to set the right vibe, to be the glue but all have to perform and if glue teammates stop performing they quickly outstay their welcome in any work environment. The advantage one sometimes have over non-sport environments is one can move the glue guy who can't perform anymore to the level needed into coaching/management positions. MOS has made it known though that players like JT have earned the right to go out on their own in ending their playing careers. Like I said my guess is MOS wants his legacy to reflect loyalty and respect to players who earned their stripes. Admirable. Comes with some opposite effects as does most decisions we make in life.

I don't think legacy plays into the picture at all. I don't think Mos has thought about his legacy for a second. I suspect he thinks this is the best way to win. All you need is football IQ and character.  But football has one of the biggest advantages in sport towards athleticism and raw talent. When you deprive your self of those factors, you hurt your chances to win. 

You need those guys to balance out a roster, but it's like building a house out of nothing but mortar. No bricks, no boards. 

 

If you look at our roster by position groups, how many positions do we have 1 player can go out and just dominantly win a snap 1on1 with the opposition? Imo, wilson with some regularity, a couple ol with no regularity at all, lawson/woods with no regularity at all, wj same, vaval and nichols. When I look at Hamilton's offence alone, I see more guys who can do that with far greater regularity. When I look at the riders, I see significantly more on each side of the ball than we have on our roster, and again with far greater regularity. 

 People look at that and will blame Walters and the front office. But I see us sitting and cutting guys who can do that and become guys who do that with regularity for guys who can't do that and won't become that. 

34 minutes ago, M.Silverback said:

I coached youth football for years, so I am definitely not an expert, or close, on anything related to football. But, the best teams I coached had the most talented players. Full stop. It was a bonus if those players also were "character, good in the room" guys, but often were not. And often the "character" players were great as back ups or positive energy bench guys. I posted before, a pro team can't be full of only narcissistic a-holes. But it needs elite talent, and if some of them are, that's why you're a pro coach! To manage egos, conflict, talent. This Bombers team is really lacking in elite talent. How many will make the all CFL team, or even West division all star team? The blame is shared between Walters, who has fallen asleep at the wheel, and Osh who seems to think character trumps talent. This is the least fun Bombers team to watch I've seen in 20 years. 

I’ve also coached for a long time and agree with this take. The competitive players want to win. They’d prefer the other starters not be lazy assholes, but in the end they mostly just want the best team on the field. 

Playing the hockey the long time hence the sentence structure and weird ramblings at times. We played with no helmets just for fun. Ok no but anyways. 
 

character matters but you know what the best teams I was on, the teams who won, who wooped some ass and dominated tournaments in Minnesota even once out of 3 trips down there lol, them boys eat differently there, but those best teams had all sorts of assholes on it. But they was the talented assholes. But then like drugs got some. Just saying. Not me. I’m k OA 

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1 hour ago, sweep the leg said:

I’ve also coached for a long time and agree with this take. The competitive players want to win. They’d prefer the other starters not be lazy assholes, but in the end they mostly just want the best team on the field. 

The players want the best players on the field so long as they put the team first. If you are not doing that you will be a locker room pariah. I am going to say this as gently as I can, anyone thinking differently has not coached any level of serious ball. Pop Warner players might accept lazy and me first guys, but truly competitive ball calls for TEAM and players will not appreciate guys who do not put the team first.  Maybe shitty teams and shitty coaches will out of desperation but that is truly why that happens. Players want the best players on the field despite attitude only when the losses start mounting, until then they want to protect the culture in their room. 

2 hours ago, M.Silverback said:

I coached youth football for years, so I am definitely not an expert, or close, on anything related to football. But, the best teams I coached had the most talented players. Full stop. It was a bonus if those players also were "character, good in the room" guys, but often were not. And often the "character" players were great as back ups or positive energy bench guys. I posted before, a pro team can't be full of only narcissistic a-holes. But it needs elite talent, and if some of them are, that's why you're a pro coach! To manage egos, conflict, talent. This Bombers team is really lacking in elite talent. How many will make the all CFL team, or even West division all star team? The blame is shared between Walters, who has fallen asleep at the wheel, and Osh who seems to think character trumps talent. This is the least fun Bombers team to watch I've seen in 20 years. 

Youth are quite different from adults. They don't know any better. Teenagers want the most popular guys on the field and it doesn't matter what their attitude is. You learn differently as you mature.

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

A great example of a glue guy, imo, is Sheed. He wasn't a top 3 WR, and he didn't need to be. He was the last imp wr on the roster, but after some early career struggles, was as reliable as can be, blocked his ass off, ran the sweep, and did all the little things extremely well. He was also a tremendous character guy, a leader, and a culture setter. 

 Early on when he was fighting his hands he was on the verge of getting cut. And when we got to a point where we needed to save money and develop more young wrs he was gone. Imo, he was gone a bit too soon. But he brought a lot while he was here. You don't need that guy, but you sure are glad to have him when hes here. 

Exactly right. Sheed is a perfect example of a lesser talent having a much bigger impact than his stats. He left a big hole in the dressing room when he left.

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

I don't think legacy plays into the picture at all. I don't think Mos has thought about his legacy for a second. I suspect he thinks this is the best way to win. All you need is football IQ and character.  But football has one of the biggest advantages in sport towards athleticism and raw talent. When you deprive your self of those factors, you hurt your chances to win. 

You need those guys to balance out a roster, but it's like building a house out of nothing but mortar. No bricks, no boards. 

 

If you look at our roster by position groups, how many positions do we have 1 player can go out and just dominantly win a snap 1on1 with the opposition? Imo, wilson with some regularity, a couple ol with no regularity at all, lawson/woods with no regularity at all, wj same, vaval and nichols. When I look at Hamilton's offence alone, I see more guys who can do that with far greater regularity. When I look at the riders, I see significantly more on each side of the ball than we have on our roster, and again with far greater regularity. 

 People look at that and will blame Walters and the front office. But I see us sitting and cutting guys who can do that and become guys who do that with regularity for guys who can't do that and won't become that. 

I disagree- I thonk that O'Shea is projecting his unwillingness to accept when he was given his final cut and is hanging onto aging/fading players as displacement of his own unfinished business.

On 2025-10-14 at 7:17 AM, Noeller said:

Last I checked, the weather appeared like it'll be a factor as well on Friday night...

Might have to rename the weather "Jabari Arthur" for tonight....

On 2025-10-17 at 8:24 AM, Bigblue204 said:

Yeah you can't be a glue guy if you're not performing. Part of what makes a glue guy work is leading by example.

And I dont see any guys playing with gut hanging out constantly having to pull jersey down...or arse Crack showing as he tippy toes around behind play...so guess that glue has dried right up

On 2025-10-17 at 9:31 AM, M.Silverback said:

I coached youth football for years, so I am definitely not an expert, or close, on anything related to football. But, the best teams I coached had the most talented players. Full stop. It was a bonus if those players also were "character, good in the room" guys, but often were not. And often the "character" players were great as back ups or positive energy bench guys. I posted before, a pro team can't be full of only narcissistic a-holes. But it needs elite talent, and if some of them are, that's why you're a pro coach! To manage egos, conflict, talent. This Bombers team is really lacking in elite talent. How many will make the all CFL team, or even West division all star team? The blame is shared between Walters, who has fallen asleep at the wheel, and Osh who seems to think character trumps talent. This is the least fun Bombers team to watch I've seen in 20 years. 

U play the talent...the character if not ideal has no impact with onfield play and as a cancer in room...is a nonfacter and the room will deal with it anyway if the room is good

From experience guys playing before better players...or as a coach fav...causes more internal issues than anything but players to the media won't touch on it...but if you knkw what you are seeing u can see it.

It also effects who will come here...initially guys came...and some stayed for less...3..4...5 yrs ago...not now...there is a reason we habnt really landed a legit big FA stud or an emerging one.....

On 2025-10-18 at 11:26 AM, Booch said:

U play the talent...the character if not ideal has no impact with onfield play and as a cancer in room...is a nonfacter and the room will deal with it anyway if the room is good

From experience guys playing before better players...or as a coach fav...causes more internal issues than anything but players to the media won't touch on it...but if you knkw what you are seeing u can see it.

It also effects who will come here...initially guys came...and some stayed for less...3..4...5 yrs ago...not now...there is a reason we habnt really landed a legit big FA stud or an emerging one.....

The room won't be "good" if you fill it with Aholes.

Even a few on the field can lose you games. Pacman Jones and Vontaze Burfict in the 2015 AFC wild card game is a good example.

12 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

The room won't be "good" if you fill it with Aholes.

Even a few on the field can lose you games. Pacman Jones and Vontaze Burfict in the 2015 AFC wild card game is a good example.

nobody said fill it....or use assholes....but tis strict adherence to whatever the heck it is that they favour isnt the best roster you can have when it trumps actual talent

 

30 minutes ago, Booch said:

nobody said fill it....or use assholes....but tis strict adherence to whatever the heck it is that they favour isnt the best roster you can have when it trumps actual talent

 

"the character if not ideal has no impact with onfield play and as a cancer in room...is a nonfacter" 

Talented Ahole players definitively have an impact with  onfield play and are a factor.

1 hour ago, bryan35 said:

The room won't be "good" if you fill it with Aholes.

Even a few on the field can lose you games. Pacman Jones and Vontaze Burfict in the 2015 AFC wild card game is a good example.

You need a certain amount of Aholes, though. Jordan was the biggest Ahole in the nba, and critical to his teams success both on and off the court. 

Similarly, Kongbo was a key piece of the locker room and on the field in our success, and beloved by the denver broncos coaching staff/locker room. But BC deemed him too much of an Ahole. 

You need that Ahole who will stand up and call guys out if needed. (and over the course of a year it's always needed a few times at least)

We don't have that now, And the vets are longer in the tooth than at the end of Dave ritchies tenure. 

10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

You need a certain amount of Aholes, though. Jordan was the biggest Ahole in the nba, and critical to his teams success both on and off the court. 

Similarly, Kongbo was a key piece of the locker room and on the field in our success, and beloved by the denver broncos coaching staff/locker room. But BC deemed him too much of an Ahole. 

You need that Ahole who will stand up and call guys out if needed. (and over the course of a year it's always needed a few times at least)

We don't have that now, And the vets are longer in the tooth than at the end of Dave ritchies tenure. 

Wouldn't say Jordan was an Ahole. He just pushed the players around him to be better and that ruffled some feathers. Some didn't like that. He just wanted to win.

20 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

Wouldn't say Jordan was an Ahole. He just pushed the players around him to be better and that ruffled some feathers. Some didn't like that. He just wanted to win.

Did you watch the last dance? Guy was very clearly a major **** hole to his teammates. Tbh, when you hear accounts of people dealing with him, it comes up a lot. From racing, to gambling and golf. 

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Did you watch the last dance? Guy was very clearly a major **** hole to his teammates. Tbh, when you hear accounts of people dealing with him, it comes up a lot. From racing, to gambling and golf. 

Yes. He might be the biggest ******* athlete ever. No joke. To fans and to everyone. Dudes a miserable rich prick. 

On 2025-10-24 at 10:38 AM, bryan35 said:

"the character if not ideal has no impact with onfield play and as a cancer in room...is a nonfacter" 

Talented Ahole players definitively have an impact with  onfield play and are a factor.

Again who said anything bout aholes? And define what an ahole football player entails..and generally who hires them

U missed the point tho...this regime values things over actual talent and how it translates on field...character can be many things...not just an asshat...vs a non asshat 

On 2025-10-24 at 11:04 AM, wbbfan said:

You need a certain amount of Aholes, though. Jordan was the biggest Ahole in the nba, and critical to his teams success both on and off the court. 

Similarly, Kongbo was a key piece of the locker room and on the field in our success, and beloved by the denver broncos coaching staff/locker room. But BC deemed him too much of an Ahole. 

You need that Ahole who will stand up and call guys out if needed. (and over the course of a year it's always needed a few times at least)

We don't have that now, And the vets are longer in the tooth than at the end of Dave ritchies tenure. 

Osh himself...was a arrogant ahole...borderline dirty player...

And yeah...u need some guys who play on the fringe...can be arse holes too in a way to infuriate opposing teams to get them off game 

I remember Ty Jones.. and lesser extent James West would troll guys pre game...wander over to their side...and be relentless dicks...and his reason...if they pissed at me and looking to take it out on me in the game...they won't be playing their best for their team

On 2025-10-24 at 11:16 AM, bryan35 said:

Wouldn't say Jordan was an Ahole. He just pushed the players around him to be better and that ruffled some feathers. Some didn't like that. He just wanted to win.

And we don't really have that...from coach on down to his preferred fav vets...too complacent...comfortable..and safe feeling...

22 hours ago, Goalie said:

Yes. He might be the biggest ******* athlete ever. No joke. To fans and to everyone. Dudes a miserable rich prick. 

And fact of the matter...his teams were all successful...always...

^^ Thrash talk was one of Darvin Adams' many attributes 

On 2025-10-25 at 12:12 PM, Booch said:

And fact of the matter...his teams were all successful...always...

That's revisionist. By your own standard they were not. Not only not winning championships but also not having an above .500 season. Things eventually changed obviously. But his teams werent always successful.

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

That's revisionist. By your own standard they were not. Not only not winning championships but also not having an above .500 season. Things eventually changed obviously. But his teams werent always successful.

I don't follow basketball...all I recall is he won a lot...and when it mattered...no? Correct me if a wrong ...but i will also say id rather go 9-9..8-9...and win the championship than have a reg season high win total and neglect your depth and grind your guys into a nub when you could have let backups play and get exposed and lose in the big game...repeatedly

The d gave up a last second TD to Cody Fajardo and the als. Damn O’Shea. Should have played a backup out the league, that would have totally made the difference.