3 turds plus ch coaching never fails to fail

[Noeller]

29 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I think going for 2 when ZC threw that pick was the correct call.  The only thing that screws that play up is unfortunately a turnover.

Make the 2 point convert, you have a tie game

Miss the the 2 point convert, you still need a field goal to win

Kick the 1 point convert, you still need a field goal to win

 

 

There was no other option than to go for two. Kicking a 1 isn't even a consideration. Just have to make it. In wondering if Schoen coming up limping there didn't play into the INT. Like if he's able to run at full steam, maybe he makes that catch or at least knocks it down...?

[JuranBoldenRules]

5 minutes ago, brett_c_b said:

That sums up the disconnect. We have a QB who needs a few seconds for things to develop, we have an o line that wants a Calvillo quick release.

Second and long,  throw within two years of the LOS isn't poor man's lapo though, by it's prime lapo. Please give the man all disrespect he is due.

In the spirit of a Saskatchewan back to back, I want to make sure lapo gets the full woolerton treatment

How many weeks ago was everyone on here shitting on Collaros for a first half in Calgary where he was forcing the ball into coverage?

You can only take what the D gives.  You can scheme to try to open up something vertical (and as you rightly identify you need protection to make that work regardless of what happens down the field) but against teams like Sask and Calgary that play the whole game in Cover 3-4 shells, you need guys to make plays once they get the ball.  That's what the sport is.  You really need a bust to complete a 12 yard pass on 2nd and 10.

[wbbfan]

5 hours ago, 17to85 said:

The other thing to consider is that Zach has always been less than great at the short passing game. He's a mid to deep guy. Now we're in a situation where we seem to only be able to run a poor man's lapo offense which is just not suited for collaros at all.

thats true, but he also isn’t able to snipe a bunch of deep shots on frozen ropes any more either. he has to run and jump into a 30-40 yarder now to get it just deep enough to come back on. despite his tendencies, he also isn’t quick enough to get out deep shots that are open. 

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Oh that play call is fine. Qb has to recognize it's not working and throw the ball away. Collaros ****** around and took a sack instead. 

but that’s how zach is as well. he’s not a guy who is fast to get the ball out. i like the call, with a different qb. 

 

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Agree about Schoen. If Walters cannot come up with someone with two good legs and able to catch a ball, Walters ought to be shot. Pylon Logan and Mitchell have not been worth waiting for.

i mean we did bring in some guys, and mitchell has done well when we go or him. logan doesn’t look close to 100%. shouldn’t be playing imo. 

 

28 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I think going for 2 when ZC threw that pick was the correct call.  The only thing that screws that play up is unfortunately a turnover.

Make the 2 point convert, you have a tie game

Miss the the 2 point convert, you still need a field goal to win

Kick the 1 point convert, you still need a field goal to win

 

 

100% the right call. problem is that play call gave us 1 viable target short of completely blown coverage. that route started way to far away from the line. he broke and barely had any room left. you want to drag that route, put the db in trail position and get the ball out as quick as you can to spot and let the wr run it down. 

 if a db makes an insane play or the wr knocks the ball up and the db catches it he doesn’t have any thing to work with. 

 

At that, you should have a crosser from the back side slot, and a deep fade to the corner so you got other places you can toss it off the wrs break and have a decent chance. 

2 minutes ago, Noeller said:

There was no other option than to go for two. Kicking a 1 isn't even a consideration. Just have to make it. In wondering if Schoen coming up limping there didn't play into the INT. Like if he's able to run at full steam, maybe he makes that catch or at least knocks it down...?

maybe if you had some strong tail wind you think castillo can smoke a kick for a single that’s hard to field. 

 but that would be a bad move vs going for two. it shouldn’t be hard to execute a passing play to convert a 2

[deepsixemtoboyd]

5 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I went and listened to it and I thought he was a bit of a ****. 
DT could have criticized a number of coaching decisions in that game but decided to softball a discussion about a feel-good story involving one of MOS’s favourite guys and Osh got all bent out of shape because of the word “injuries”

1000% this.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 minute ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:

1000% this.

He's reverting back to his pre 2019 days with the media. 

[Noeller]

Osh doesn't talk about injuries... Never has, never will. He was very polite the first time and then it got pushed. I wholly understand what DT was going for, but once it's shut down, then leave it alone. 

[Goalie]

O’Shea is starting to finally feel some heat. And he’s cracking. His time is coming to an end here. So is Kyle’s. 

[Stickem]

9 minutes ago, Goalie said:

O’Shea is starting to finally feel some heat. And he’s cracking. His time is coming to an end here. So is Kyle’s. 

and you can see why.....poor roster management and in this last particular game, how do we take a 'too many men' at a critical time of the game and another 'no end' call...Just bull$hit penalties that shouldn't happen and cost us..This game was winable BUT in a close game like that was, taking dumb penalties are costly ...  and they were 

[Goalie]

9 minutes ago, Stickem said:

and you can see why.....poor roster management and in this last particular game, how do we take a 'too many men' at a critical time of the game and another 'no end' call...Just bull$hit penalties that shouldn't happen and cost us..This game was winable BUT in a close game like that was, taking dumb penalties are costly ...  and they were 

So who are the superstars we should be playing instead of some guys. Who is the last dressed Canadian and American like it matters. The problem is some of the starters. Here’s the thing. A few were signed to new contracts this off season. Kyrie. Jake. Schoen. Even Willie and a guy like Sergio.  Yes we let BA and AB walk or limp away but we kept more than we let go. All these guys (not Schoen or Sergio) but they all have fallen off. Bonds was good last year. Complete crap before injury this year. You could throw in Stan and Neufeld here also. Kolo is a joke. 
 

we have had 3 or 4 rookies come in and look good this year. Person. Woodbey. Allen and I’ll say Vanterpool cuz 1 game. Let’s say Vaval. He’s been a find and a better returner than Logan who should be released either way along with Jake and Kyrie and maybe even Tony Jones who has been ok if you like lots of tackles but most those tackles are after yards gained. 
 

calgary replaced something like 24 players from last year. We picking up elks and stamps cast offs and thinking we gonna get better lol. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Goalie

[Stickem]

2 minutes ago, Goalie said:

 

calgary replaced something like 24 players from last year. We picking up elks and stamps cast offs and thinking we gonna get better lol. 

the superstars we should be playing are playing elsewhere.....firstly we should have never let Kenny walk....just look what he's doing in Ham....Janarion Grant was another one ...We don't have a returner as far as I'm concerned  ...We should have rid ourselves of Thomas and used a rook, then used the cash to keep one of them AND what was wrong with keeping Biggie around and be a mentor for our guys, instead of helping the team who has buried us in 2 games this season...This club is astonishing me with blunder after blunder.....then we wonder why we're in the position we're  in now

[JuranBoldenRules]

5 minutes ago, Stickem said:

the superstars we should be playing are playing elsewhere.....firstly we should have never let Kenny walk....just look what he's doing in Ham....Janarion Grant was another one ...We don't have a returner as far as I'm concerned  ...We should have rid ourselves of Thomas and used a rook, then used the cash to keep one of them AND what was wrong with keeping Biggie around and be a mentor for our guys, instead of helping the team who has buried us in 2 games this season...This club is astonishing me with blunder after blunder.....then we wonder why we're in the position we're  in now

Vaval is outdueling Grant both on punts and kickoffs average return, 2 TD's to 1.

Reality is they've done a terrible job backfilling guys, but aside from Lawler everyone who they've let walk the past 2 years is cooked physically or below average to start with.  They made decisions not to pay Lawler or Ford...terrible decision on Lawler, borderline on Ford.  But the bigger problem is the lack of CFL players they are bringing into camp.

Edited 8 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[Stickem]

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

Vaval is outdueling Grant both on punts and kickoffs, 2 TD's to 1.

....what's he done lately....2 tds ...then nothing....I would say anyone with any football acumen would say they would rather have Grant on their club right now....but what the hey

[JuranBoldenRules]

3 minutes ago, Stickem said:

....what's he done lately....2 tds ...then nothing....I would say anyone with any football acumen would say they would rather have Grant on their club right now....but what the hey

Grant's been pretty quiet.  They have the same amount of turnovers too which was always a big issue for Grant.  Had some big playoff returns for us but also handed multiple scores to other teams with muffed punts and fumbles.  So his net effect was never as gaudy as his stats.  If he could hold onto the ball he'd be in year 8 of his NFL career.

[Stickem]

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

Grant's been pretty quiet.  They have the same amount of turnovers too which was always a big issue for Grant.  Had some big playoff returns for us but also handed multiple scores to other teams with muffed punts and fumbles.  So his net effect was never as gaudy as his stats.  If he could hold onto the ball he'd be in year 8 of his NFL career.

...watched a few TO games this season and it looked to me he was pretty solid....Took one return back setting them up for a td today....he seems to just keep on truck'n

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, Stickem said:

....what's he done lately....2 tds ...then nothing....I would say anyone with any football acumen would say they would rather have Grant on their club right now....but what the hey

vaval has been better much of the year than grant in both pr and kr. he had a couple games with rookie brain, and a bobble or two but grant hasn’t been healthy the whole year and has had struggles him self with handles. 

 since the tds, vaval has still been one of the best pr in the league. they only took kr duties off him because he’s starting at cb, as a rookie no less. 

 Sky is the limit for vaval, who has also had solid stints at db. 

The only thing grant has on vaval is reputation and age.

[Stickem]

Just now, wbbfan said:

vaval has been better much of the year than grant in both pr and kr. he had a couple games with rookie brain, and a bobble or two but grant hasn’t been healthy the whole year and has had struggles him self with handles. 

 Grant looked pretty solid today...and Vaval has sort of disappeared....However I'll give you the age factor and Vaval has that and the future here....I'll also admit he's a damn good football player and plays better at defensive back than Grant played on offence 

 

[deepsixemtoboyd]

50 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Grant's been pretty quiet.  They have the same amount of turnovers too which was always a big issue for Grant.  Had some big playoff returns for us but also handed multiple scores to other teams with muffed punts and fumbles.  So his net effect was never as gaudy as his stats.  If he could hold onto the ball he'd be in year 8 of his NFL career.

I think you’d have to concede that Grant was definitely a net plus during his years with the bombers. The constant threat he provided and the big play returns were pretty huge… No, I think the difference is he is now just on the wrong side of 30. I do agree with you, however, at this point he is not a big loss relative to Vaval.

Edited 7 hours ago by deepsixemtoboyd

[ShyGuy]

It would have been nice to have had Grant last year but Vaval has been more than serviceable this year... part of his recent spat of maybe not looking gamebreaking has to do with taking 40+ snaps on defense as well as returning.

Edited 7 hours ago by ShyGuy

[wbbfan]

53 minutes ago, Stickem said:

 

he hasn’t disappeared, he’s consistently gaining more per punt return than the rest of the leagues returners. he hasn’t had an explosive big return, but that’s never sustainable. 

I look forward to seeing what vaval does when he takes a step forward in development. Right now, i’d rather start houston and use vaval as the dime and both return jobs, but we are pretty set on logan unfortunately. 

[deepsixemtoboyd]

Different topic… But I’d love to see the bombers find a way to keep leaders like Biggie and Andrew Harris around… Bighill… Iike I know he’s in some denial and now in a support role in Calgary… But couldn’t we have convinced him to stay here as a coach?

And it’s brutal see Andrew Harris helping the riders improve their ground game.

These are both natural leaders that were critical in our last two grey cup wins. Winners.

[bigg jay]

19 minutes ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:

Different topic… But I’d love to see the bombers find a way to keep leaders like Biggie and Andrew Harris around… Bighill… Iike I know he’s in some denial and now in a support role in Calgary… But couldn’t we have convinced him to stay here as a coach?

And it’s brutal see Andrew Harris helping the riders improve their ground game.

These are both natural leaders that were critical in our last two grey cup wins. Winners.

They are doing this with BA now but Biggie has said he doesn't want to coach when he hangs up his cleats unless it's to coach his kids.

[17to85]

54 minutes ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:

These are both natural leaders that were critical in our last two grey cup wins. Winners.

Know what was more critical in our 2 Grey cup wins? Players like Thomas and kramdi were depth, not key starters. Lost a lot of Canadian talent and depth since 2019.