GDT - Bombers at Stamps- Aug 9

[rebusrankin]

13 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Castillo is the Team MOP right now.

Demski

[ddanger]

On 2025-08-09 at 8:18 PM, rebusrankin said:

If we had a viable option sure but we don't. 

Guess we'll never know about Wilson if we don't play him. 

[Booch]

Just now, ddanger said:

Guess we'll never know about Wilson if we don't play him. 

Or Jones....Allen...Woodbey....Eli at center....Shay or Smith....Bailey....Finally gave Person a shot and wow....guy can play...

And we have guys we know are not good enough, and really not good depth cause...they not good enough....but here they stay...and continue to play

 

[Bigblue204]

18 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Demski

That's fair. Castillo is a close 2nd though.

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

Or Jones....Allen...Woodbey....Eli at center....Shay or Smith....Bailey....Finally gave Person a shot and wow....guy can play...

And we have guys we know are not good enough, and really not good depth cause...they not good enough....but here they stay...and continue to play

 

I have no issue with NAT rookies not being tried at positions. They are on 3 years deals and we have ample time to let them ripen on the vine so that we don't put them in a situation where we shatter their confidence. That's what any smart team endeavors to do. I get that IMPs are a different story because there is no real team control for the same length of time so they got to show up quicker in the lineup to survive. However, grousing that Shay or Smith are not in the lineup and getting meaningful reps in the first half of season one is not a valid point imo.

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, ddanger said:

Guess we'll never know about Wilson if we don't play him. 

Always a silly take.  We know.  He's played a ton in two preseasons.  No progress Year 1 to Year 2.  Way outperformed by a rookie pro this year in preseason games.

Only thing I don't know is why they kept him instead of someone who can at least function at this level like Dolegala.  Wilson has near zero upside as a passer.  Not even a good NCAA QB, slow processing in pocket, hesitant to throw the ball more than 5-6 yards downfield.

Let's put him out there to make sure we get murdered so we KNOW!

[Booch]

12 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I have no issue with NAT rookies not being tried at positions. They are on 3 years deals and we have ample time to let them ripen on the vine so that we don't put them in a situation where we shatter their confidence. That's what any smart team endeavors to do. I get that IMPs are a different story because there is no real team control for the same length of time so they got to show up quicker in the lineup to survive. However, grousing that Shay or Smith are not in the lineup and getting meaningful reps in the first half of season one is not a valid point imo.

They should be given reps to see if they have a legit future chance....or can actually perform now...and what a boon it would be to have an entry level $$ starter, a Canadian to boot for 2..3 yrs and allow you to allocate more cash to area's of severe need.

Any player who can show they can play over a less than stellar player is a valid point and something they should be exploring at every turn...sitting idly and content with past succes has us exactly in the spot we are at now

If either one them...or both can show they can play say WIL right now.....would it be not the smart thing to have em play....get better as they play because they will and use that now free'd up DA spot...even 2 if you drop both Ayers and Wilson and use them for a legit DT/Nose who would make a difference....another stud receiver?...everyone said Shay was second coming of Singleton...If Cgy handled him like we do our guys....he would have never amounted to anything....they recognized the upside and talent...played him from day 1 pretty much

 

10 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Always a silly take.  We know.  He's played a ton in two preseasons.  No progress Year 1 to Year 2.  Way outperformed by a rookie pro this year in preseason games.

Only thing I don't know is why they kept him instead of someone who can at least function at this level like Dolegala.  Wilson has near zero upside as a passer.  Not even a good NCAA QB, slow processing in pocket, hesitant to throw the ball more than 5-6 yards downfield.

Let's put him out there to make sure we get murdered so we KNOW!

I wouldnt say way out performed....The other guy did ok...but against and with guys nobody will ever see or hear from again

[Brandon]

56 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Always a silly take.  We know.  He's played a ton in two preseasons.  No progress Year 1 to Year 2.  Way outperformed by a rookie pro this year in preseason games.

Game 1 - Artopoeus was 5/6 for 43 yards playing against 4th stringers compared to Wilson 6/8 for 72 yards against 2nd stringers.

Game 2 - Artopoeus was 1/3 for 11 yards playing against 4th stringers compared to WIlson 9/12 for 58 yards against 3rd stringers. 

How in the world do you intrepret that as "way out performed" when statistically he was worse and playing against the worst players?  

 

And for progress Wilson had a better pre season this year compared to last year.  

 

 

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Game 1 - Artopoeus was 5/6 for 43 yards playing against 4th stringers compared to Wilson 6/8 for 72 yards against 2nd stringers.

Game 2 - Artopoeus was 1/3 for 11 yards playing against 4th stringers compared to WIlson 9/12 for 58 yards against 3rd stringers. 

How in the world do you intrepret that as "way out performed" when statistically he was worse and playing against the worst players?  

 

And for progress Wilson had a better pre season this year compared to last year.  

 

 

If you like sacks and 2 yard passes.

Take Cooley's YAC yards off the board and Wilson did nearly nothing against team losses when he's on the field (aka him getting sacked by holding the ball for an eternity).

[rebusrankin]

Ok, the whole not giving national rookies time. None of us are saying start them, we're saying give them reps. There is a difference. As for letting them ripen, Fortin and Alford have been starting for Calgary and playing well. Veresuk is in the same boat for Hamilton. There is also Keelen White who is starting for Ottawa. I think its fair to say the argument that you need to shelter rookies is not true.

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 minute ago, rebusrankin said:

Ok, the whole not giving national rookies time. None of us are saying start them, we're saying give them reps. There is a difference. As for letting them ripen, Fortin and Alford have been starting for Calgary and playing well. Veresuk is in the same boat for Hamilton. There is also Keelen White who is starting for Ottawa. I think its fair to say the argument that you need to shelter rookies is not true.

And Jake Kelly has been great for the Calgary Stampeders too.

The problem with our team is we're getting nothing from our American players....due to lack of talent/ability or lack of opportunity to be on the field.

Edited yesterday at 05:45 PM by JuranBoldenRules

[Booch]

13 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

If you like sacks and 2 yard passes.

Take Cooley's YAC yards off the board and Wilson did nearly nothing against team losses when he's on the field (aka him getting sacked by holding the ball for an eternity).

just like our qb's in the reg season....and thats from a piss poor scheme even for a l program...with piss poor receivers

 

7 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Ok, the whole not giving national rookies time. None of us are saying start them, we're saying give them reps. There is a difference. As for letting them ripen, Fortin and Alford have been starting for Calgary and playing well. Veresuk is in the same boat for Hamilton. There is also Keelen White who is starting for Ottawa. I think its fair to say the argument that you need to shelter rookies is not true.

 

Yeah if a guy can play...he can play...this "seasoning" is a bit over used....and "earning" it in practice.....there is zero way to earn anything in practice in this day and age

It's about recognizing talent and smart...and putting guys in the right spots, with adequate and proper coaching to succeed...we fail at that miserably under this regime for quite some time now

We caught lightening in a bottle with a great lineup...and hungry players....and I would say were very fortunate and yeah I gonna say a bit lucky....cause from what we have seen happen and erode since 2021 win...and the inadequacies in a lot of our coaching...and being prepared, especially of late I have my serious doubts that the guy in charge has the ability to pull out of the spiral.....now there is no more lightening as the bottle is broke, or basically empty....and we did it to ourselves

[Super Duper Negatron]

It's a sad situation overall. Was there a single person in the GDT that thought we were going to hold for the win after Sergio hit that kick? Even one?

[Tracker]

29 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

It's a sad situation overall. Was there a single person in the GDT that thought we were going to hold for the win after Sergio hit that kick? Even one?

Not I.

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

If you like sacks and 2 yard passes.

Take Cooley's YAC yards off the board and Wilson did nearly nothing against team losses when he's on the field (aka him getting sacked by holding the ball for an eternity).

The rookie's longest pass was 12 yards.     Pre season doesn't tell the full story but if you are going to use it as a determining factor then Wilson blew him away. 

Two seasons ago Pigromes looked like the next Doug Flutie in pre season and where is he today?  Dru Brown looked like crap in that same pre season and now he is a desired starter.       Real game time is significantly more important then pre season. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

The rookie's longest pass was 12 yards.     Pre season doesn't tell the full story but if you are going to use it as a determining factor then Wilson blew him away. 

Two seasons ago Pigromes looked like the next Doug Flutie in pre season and where is he today?  Dru Brown looked like crap in that same pre season and now he is a desired starter.       Real game time is significantly more important then pre season. 

When's the last time you watched a football game?

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

When's the last time you watched a football game?

Two weeks ago?   What does that have to do with your terrible take on thinking a guy throwing 9 passes in pre season is more then enough to show that he's a superior player.   Did you not see how awesome Pigromes was a few years back in pre season?     

 

[Goalie]

15 hours ago, Brandon said:

Two weeks ago?   What does that have to do with your terrible take on thinking a guy throwing 9 passes in pre season is more then enough to show that he's a superior player.   Did you not see how awesome Pigromes was a few years back in pre season?     

 

I mean. Wilson was here all last year. He should have been superior. He really wasn’t. Artopoeous is a pure rookie to the cfl. I mean, dude also can throw the ball. Wilson has shown in a year and a half he really can’t.  Artopoeous has the higher upside. But they should be bringing guys in. UFL going under and they got a QB on the neg list who looks interesting and probably would be a legit potential cfl starter. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Goalie