Bombers at Stumps GDT

[HardCoreBlue]

Just now, Booch said:

I dont recall seeing Jake make a tackle...maybe the play ran into him and he got credit....and Jone's tackles generally are of the Awe type....

We need a infusion of youth and hunger on defence.....and athleticism up front based on this scheme we running..

I think Walter's needs to step up and be the decider on issues of who we sign/retain/...even play...It is obvious theygive Osh wayyyy too much say

and I truly don't think he is a good evaluator of talent/usefulness....he values and likes certain things way too much over true talent

but he also made a lot of huge catches for us in big games....was a reason we got to some of the big games and was a reason we won some of the biggest games too...would have been well worth it for a grey cup yr....dont have to sign himlong term...one and done...or re-up if he balls out....he also garners a lot of attention opening it up for others

Adams played well...and with enthusiasm and some grit/anger

flush it and move on is a big part of our issues/past failures...we dont adjust or do anything about it...that needs to change

HC needs to park some butts....try some different guys....even call some out...Heck Dinwiddie does it...and has beat us 2x when it mattered

years....and all most here say about it is "yeah but 5 ........"

 

coaching....kills us at times...

 

much like the last 3 Cups...Dinwiddie and Mass did it too

'..maybe the play ran into him and he got credit.'

Yikes. You know you're in trouble when (see bold above).

[Booch]

I still cant get over the fact when it was 99.9999% obvious the game was done by end of 3rd quarter, why wasnt Strev in getting valuable work....Why keep running your physical RB with a recent shoulder injury in a game that was not gonna be won...risking a set back?...he got enough work to knock any rust off

Why didnt we go for 2 on our TD....If only for the sake of practicing it for when we may need it under live fire...we rarely go for it ever and when we do the odd time....its not generally a success....these are the games you should practice these things

Same with the onside kick....we get it...great...we dont...big deal cause it wouldn't have mattered anyway so may as well get in the practice

Just lame brain dumb coaching calls...

[17to85]

12 minutes ago, Booch said:

dont recall seeing Jake make a tackle...maybe the play ran into him and he got credit....and Jone's tackles generally are of the Awe type

Was a classic Jake tackle, reaches out and hangs on as the back is running past him.

And I said during the game, T. Jones makes a lot of tackles but not a lot of plays.  

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Was a classic Jake tackle, reaches out and hangs on as the back is running past him.

And I said during the game, T. Jones makes a lot of tackles but not a lot of plays.  

tackles after yards were gained...lotsa whiffs too....and in coverage is a lost cause...but he inked a 2 yr deal pre-TC so we all knew he was penciled in as starter...Jake too....they need not even have attended camp really....they were safe

J.Jones...the rookie Woodbey..Ayers....all would offer a more well rounded game...and be more versatile too...

[Blue In BC]

36 minutes ago, Booch said:

I dont recall seeing Jake make a tackle...maybe the play ran into him and he got credit....and Jone's tackles generally are of the Awe type....

We need a infusion of youth and hunger on defence.....and athleticism up front based on this scheme we running..

I think Walter's needs to step up and be the decider on issues of who we sign/retain/...even play...It is obvious theygive Osh wayyyy too much say

and I truly don't think he is a good evaluator of talent/usefulness....he values and likes certain things way too much over true talent

but he also made a lot of huge catches for us in big games....was a reason we got to some of the big games and was a reason we won some of the biggest games too...would have been well worth it for a grey cup yr....dont have to sign himlong term...one and done...or re-up if he balls out....he also garners a lot of attention opening it up for others

Adams played well...and with enthusiasm and some grit/anger

flush it and move on is a big part of our issues/past failures...we dont adjust or do anything about it...that needs to change

HC needs to park some butts....try some different guys....even call some out...Heck Dinwiddie does it...and has beat us 2x when it mattered

years....and all most here say about it is "yeah but 5 ........"

 

coaching....kills us at times...

 

much like the last 3 Cups...Dinwiddie and Mass did it too

I was trying to watch Thomas as much as possible to see how ineffective he was. he made one tackle ( from chase mode ) for about a 7 yard running play. The other one was where the RB essentially ran into him and a crown at the LOS. So I didn't see much that impressed me about him in particular or the front 4 in total. We gave up 100 yards rushing and gave Adams too much time to throw. The saving grace is that aside from a couple of big pass plays he didn't do much. OTOH, he didn't need to .

[Noeller]

My only issue with Jake is usage. I was wondering if Lawson got hurt again last night because Jake took a TON of reps .. that just can't be happening. 

[rebusrankin]

Jake has had a ton of reps all year.

[blue85gold]

42 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

And I said during the game, T. Jones makes a lot of tackles but not a lot of plays.  

I’d be curious about his average depth of tackle. Always seemed to be at least 7-8 yards downfield and the ball carrier was was getting a few after contact. Would like the MLB to be more of a wall and less of tackling dummy. 

[voodoochylde]

3 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

I’d be curious about his average depth of tackle. Always seemed to be at least 7-8 yards downfield and the ball carrier was was getting a few after contact. Would like the MLB to be more of a wall and less of tackling dummy. 

Which is ironic as they were playing him at the line of scrimmage a fair bit last night.

[HardCoreBlue]

15 minutes ago, Noeller said:

My only issue with Jake is usage. I was wondering if Lawson got hurt again last night because Jake took a TON of reps .. that just can't be happening. 

The lower his reps go translates in him being effective at nose tackle?

[Bigblue204]

I was ok with Jake taking limited reps. But I honestly don't see anything worth keeping at this point. He got absolutely zero push multiple times. Like stood up almost a yard off the line of scrimmage. I watched him not get past the line of scrimmage multiple times. How can they be ok with that? There's no other options out there? I just don't get it.

1 minute ago, HardCoreBlue said:

The lower his reps go translates in him being effective at nose tackle?

I don't think it will at this point. He has been getting next to no push from the start of games for multiple weeks now. 

[17to85]

6 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

The lower his reps go translates in him being effective at nose tackle?

Means he's being used as depth to give the better players a rest.

[HardCoreBlue]

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I was ok with Jake taking limited reps. But I honestly don't see anything worth keeping at this point. He got absolutely zero push multiple times. Like stood up almost a yard off the line of scrimmage. I watched him not get past the line of scrimmage multiple times. How can they be ok with that? There's no other options out there? I just don't get it.

I don't think it will at this point. He has been getting next to no push from the start of games for multiple weeks now. 

Yup that was my point with the question because maybe I’m missing something cuz all I see, like you, is no push every rep 99 percent of the time. I just feel we’re disrespecting the importance of this position as a throw away so someone can keep playing the game they love playing and has given so much back to the game but in truth those days are over, new chapter time.

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Means he's being used as depth to give the better players a rest.

Depth has to produce as well.

[GCn20]

3 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Dickey beat the brakes off MOS last night. Completely outcoached and out schemed at essentially every level.

Dickey beat the brakes off MOS by having a team that was far more prepared and interested in playing last night. Out schemed is on Younger and Hogan who had absolutely horrid game plans and total lack of adjustments throughout the game.

[Noeller]

44 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Dickey beat the brakes off MOS by having a team that was far more prepared and interested in playing last night. Out schemed is on Younger and Hogan who had absolutely horrid game plans and total lack of adjustments throughout the game.

This i would agree with...

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Was a classic Jake tackle, reaches out and hangs on as the back is running past him.

And I said during the game, T. Jones makes a lot of tackles but not a lot of plays.  

 

2 hours ago, Booch said:

tackles after yards were gained...lotsa whiffs too....and in coverage is a lost cause...but he inked a 2 yr deal pre-TC so we all knew he was penciled in as starter...Jake too....they need not even have attended camp really....they were safe

J.Jones...the rookie Woodbey..Ayers....all would offer a more well rounded game...and be more versatile too...

I'm gonna track his average depth of tackle and the depth of his stop vs the depth of anticipated gain. He is a good tackler, but I don't see him jumping in the gap and stopping plays for no gain. 

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

I was ok with Jake taking limited reps. But I honestly don't see anything worth keeping at this point. He got absolutely zero push multiple times. Like stood up almost a yard off the line of scrimmage. I watched him not get past the line of scrimmage multiple times. How can they be ok with that? There's no other options out there? I just don't get it.

I don't think it will at this point. He has been getting next to no push from the start of games for multiple weeks now. 

In each game, we see more reps for him and Kornelson, with no reason for this to transpire whatsoever. If I was lawson or adams I'd be waiting on my chance to hit FA. 

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

I was ok with Jake taking limited reps. But I honestly don't see anything worth keeping at this point. He got absolutely zero push multiple times. Like stood up almost a yard off the line of scrimmage. I watched him not get past the line of scrimmage multiple times. How can they be ok with that? There's no other options out there? I just don't get it.

I don't think it will at this point. He has been getting next to no push from the start of games for multiple weeks now. 

Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, let alone the coaching staff. This has been coming on for two years and the team's unwillingness or inability to replace him is symptomatic of the probems with the team.

[GCn20]

2 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, let alone the coaching staff. This has been coming on for two years and the team's unwillingness or inability to replace him is symptomatic of the probems with the team.

Jake needs to go. There are others as well.

[Tracker]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Jake needs to go. There are others as well.

Yup. And I have little to no confidence that this is coming under O'Shea's management. One more humiliation like last night and the fans will start staying away in droves.

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

Yup. And I have little to no confidence that this is coming under O'Shea's management. One more humiliation like last night and the fans will start staying away in droves.

I think that is an overstatement, but if we get a few more it will impact attendance for sure.

[Booch]

43 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

 

I'm gonna track his average depth of tackle and the depth of his stop vs the depth of anticipated gain. He is a good tackler, but I don't see him jumping in the gap and stopping plays for no gain. 

In each game, we see more reps for him and Kornelson, with no reason for this to transpire whatsoever. If I was lawson or adams I'd be waiting on my chance to hit FA. 

and who would blame them...and I can totally see it

 

21 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Jake needs to go. There are others as well.

a few need to go...yup...others need to be in the back seat to fresh talent and become thatdepth...which would make us a way better tem all around...we have a lot of the pieces...we just using the wrong ones...or in wrong order...

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, Blue In BC said:

I was trying to watch Thomas as much as possible to see how ineffective he was. he made one tackle ( from chase mode ) for about a 7 yard running play. The other one was where the RB essentially ran into him and a crown at the LOS. So I didn't see much that impressed me about him in particular or the front 4 in total. We gave up 100 yards rushing and gave Adams too much time to throw. The saving grace is that aside from a couple of big pass plays he didn't do much. OTOH, he didn't need to .

Jake rolled into Adams injuring him. That was his tackle.

[Booch]

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Jake rolled into Adams injuring him. That was his tackle.

negated by penalty hahaha

[SpeedFlex27]

Well, this is what happens when you're the most successful franchise in the CFL but for some reason don't want to spend to th cap limit & blame the $400,000 shortfall on the CFLPA. The Bombers looked awful last night. I haven't seen such a putrid performance since the mid teens.

Osh just seems in a cloud half the time. He refuses to use the new rules for Nationalized Americans to Canadians as he doesn't want to take the time to figure out the reps. He's designated the worst starting Canadian as our starting NG in a 3 man front or at RDT in a four man. Jake gets stood up, pushed back, turned inside & outside, can't see the play coming in his stance as he actually does hold his head up as it flops down. Otherwise he'd see the manufacturers tags in his chest plate of his shoulder pads. He still can't see. No moves just a straight bull rush. Yet, he starts at the expense of younger & more effective players. What's scary is Osh has some kind of warped coaches code that says he'll start him as long as he wants to play. So then, in 2036 at age 48, in he goes as the starter on his twinkletoes. 

Bridges was having trouble covering last night at his corner spot. If anyone says we don't miss Tyrell Ford at corner then they're lying. Two huge coverage busts in the secondary. Last week we had one as well but we got away with it. This time we paid dearly. That has to be cleaned up. But how do you clean up the secondary when the DL is a clusterfuck with Thomas in there?

I was concerned letting Lawler go & keeping Schoen who really is still recovering from a bad knee injury. IF Schoen doesn't last the season, we're in huge trouble. We play Stearns but I don't get the reasoning as he really is a "nothing" receiver. Right now, we're the ninth best receiving corps in the CFL. Cl;ercius is allowed to shine but he's a posession receiver. We have one deep threat in Keric Wheatfall. Demski is still capable of making big plays but he isn't the same receiver he was 2-3 years ago. 

I was also concerned that Osh would do stupid Osh things with Streveler. And sure enough he never let me down. Streveler shows he can actually play qb in the CFL & when we're down in the 4th quarter & the game was out of reach last night, does he play Strev to give the guy some reps? Nope. Osh keeps Zach in the game. No doubt, Osh will say, "I never took Zach out as he gave us the best chance to win". Our head coach is dumber than a sack of jackhammers. 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[BomberBall.]

3 hours ago, wbbfan said:

 

I'm gonna track his average depth of tackle and the depth of his stop vs the depth of anticipated gain. He is a good tackler, but I don't see him jumping in the gap and stopping plays for no gain. 

In each game, we see more reps for him and Kornelson, with no reason for this to transpire whatsoever. If I was lawson or adams I'd be waiting on my chance to hit FA. 

For sure.  It drives us fans bananas…. Think of how it feels for the players that know they are better, yet continue to take a back seat to guys that are clearly inferior.  Maddening.