Bombers at Stumps GDT

[JuranBoldenRules]

Glad we were willing to challenge for 6 yards.

[JohnnyAbonny]

If luck went the other way the offence could have made it a much closer game honestly. 

The D however played like plastic grocery bags full of leaky puke in the first half, that’s what got it out of hand. 

Edited 14 hours ago by JohnnyAbonny

[JuranBoldenRules]

Wheatfall only 3 targets while Clercius, Sterns and Demski have 30 combined.

How you know you had the wrong gameplan for this game.

[bustamente]

Stamps players with a solid hit on Streveler, hurts himself

[sweep the leg]

Holy **** Peterson. Either get open or block somebody.

[Booch]

Too many smiling faces after getting ass handed to you for my liking

[JohnnyAbonny]

I still can’t believe he didn’t challenge the spot on that one third down when they still had a half-assed shot at coming back, that was just inexcusable. 

[sweep the leg]

3 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Wheatfall only 3 targets while Clercius, Sterns and Demski have 30 combined.

How you know you had the wrong gameplan for this game.

Schoen had ten as well. They took away the deep ball, which is Wheatfall’s game. I don’t mind the ball distribution.

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

Too many smiling faces after getting ass handed to you for my liking

It’s a MOS team going into a bye week, no one gives a ****. 

[wbbfan]

8 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

If luck went the other way the offence could have made it a much closer game honestly. 

The D however played like plastic grocery bags full of leaky puke in the first half, that’s what got it out of hand. 

You don’t win a lot of games in the cfl with your qb averaging 5-6 yards per pass. Padded stats throwing short of first downs. 
Offence was hot garbage too. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

Just now, sweep the leg said:

Schoen had ten as well. They took away the deep ball, which is Wheatfall’s game. I don’t mind the ball distribution.

Gotta use the catch radius guys at all levels.  Same issue with Buck and Lawler.  Gotta know teams are going to play more zone to deal with vertical stuff especially if our OL is solid in pass pro.

Way too much Demski in that 5-10 yard range for me.  Danger zone for him.

[Old Bomber Fan]

Very poor execution in all three phases. Down 20 points and we throw 5 yd passes and a defence that can’t tackle. And Collaras telegraphing his throws terriblr

[sweep the leg]

7 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Gotta use the catch radius guys at all levels.  Same issue with Buck and Lawler.  Gotta know teams are going to play more zone to deal with vertical stuff especially if our OL is solid in pass pro.

Way too much Demski in that 5-10 yard range for me.  Danger zone for him.

Fair enough. Just looked at the stats; 288 passing yards on 48 attempts. That’s ugly.

[wbbfan]

54 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

Has Zach thrown more pick 6s than TDs (going back to last year’s Grey Cup)?

I’m sure it’s no .. it just FEELS like it.

He’s thrown more pick 6s going back to last year than I’ve ever seen from a pro qb. Truly, it must be a record. 

4 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Fair enough. Just looked at the stats; 288 passing yards on 48 attempts. That’s ugly.

How many attempts 15 yards or deeper though? We just kept taking the easy under and playing into Calgary’s D. We didn’t threaten to stretch the field in any direction. 

19 minutes ago, Booch said:

Too many smiling faces after getting ass handed to you for my liking

They should cancel leave for the bye week. Maybe you can’t put pads on em and make them hit, but you can make em run all practice. Send em back to boot camp. 
That effort is bad but the attitude about it is the real problem. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

You don’t win a lot of games in the cfl with your qb averaging 5-6 yards per pass. Padded stats throwing short of first downs. 
Offence was hot garbage too. 

They were pretty garbage too I agree, just things like 2 pick 6’s, that holding penalty on their opening drive, Brady slipping and falling twice, the dropped passes and the missed TD throw, aren’t going to happen every game. 
 

[JuranBoldenRules]

10 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Fair enough. Just looked at the stats; 288 passing yards on 48 attempts. That’s ugly.

Yeah we don't really have the receivers to beat zone in any way.  Not much YAC.  Demski and Schoen are busted up from old/ongoing injuries.

I've liked Wheatfall on some screen/hitch looks into the field.

Our QB doesn't really run quick stuff.  But IMO at the moment we have one receiver out there who is a consistent battler for 50/50 balls, and that's Wheatfall.

Just a mess the past couple seasons trying to fill a couple receiver slots to build an offense.

[Arnold_Palmer]

12 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Fair enough. Just looked at the stats; 288 passing yards on 48 attempts. That’s ugly.

Game plan was terrible. You take what the defense is giving you when you’re up or in a one score game, not when your down over 20 in the fourth quarter. Worst outing of the season. Good news is we have two weeks to game plan and figure stuff out, I’m hoping we see a much better effort in two weeks, but the lack of adjustments were concerning. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

Yeah we don't really have the receivers to beat zone in any way.  Not much YAC.  Demski and Schoen are busted up from old/ongoing injuries.

I've liked Wheatfall on some screen/hitch looks into the field.

Our QB doesn't really run quick stuff.  But IMO at the moment we have one receiver out there who is a consistent battler for 50/50 balls, and that's Wheatfall.

Just a mess the past couple seasons trying to fill a couple receiver slots to build an offense.

That’s why having Sterns on the roster just baffles me. We don’t use quick crossers or stuff like that. We need taller downfield threats with long arms. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Game plan was terrible. You take what the defense is giving you when you’re up or in a one score game, not when your down over 20 in the fourth quarter. Worst outing of the season. Good news is we have two weeks to game plan and figure stuff out, I’m hoping we see a much better effort in two weeks, but the lack of adjustments were concerning. 

So you'd rather throw 3 deep balls into quarters coverage and give them the ball back every possession?

The game plan from the start was not good and they gave up on the run way too early.  But you can't just come out and heave Hail Mary's every play even down 3 scores.  Wouldn't be productive toward changing that score line.

[ShyGuy]

40 minutes ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:

Did we choose to sign him rather than Lawler?

Pretty sure Lawler is making $100k more than Schoen this year

[JuranBoldenRules]

3 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

That’s why having Sterns on the roster just baffles me. We don’t use quick crossers or stuff like that. We need taller downfield threats with long arms. 

Collaros has never really vibed with a receiver like that.

More Darvin Adams, Greg Ellingson, Bailey, Fantuz.

Get some big possession receivers (height and core) and a couple guys that are legit vertical threats.

Wheatfall is a good fit, Clercius is a good fit, Demski is fine as a 4-5 guy.  They are missing 2 out of top 3 receivers right now.  Schoen isn't worth talking about because he's clearly playing at about 70%.  There's going to be no consistency there this season.

Edited 13 hours ago by JuranBoldenRules

[JohnnyAbonny]

15 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Collaros has never really vibed with a receiver like that.

More Darvin Adams, Greg Ellingson, Bailey, Fantuz.

Get some big possession receivers (height and core) and a couple guys that are legit vertical threats.

Wheatfall is a good fit, Clercius is a good fit, Demski is fine as a 4-5 guy.  They are missing 2 out of top 3 receivers right now.  Schoen isn't worth talking about because he's clearly playing at about 70%.  There's going to be no consistency there this season.

I agree. I think for the rest of the year Wheatfall and Clercius need to be the 1-2, Schoen I’m afraid while not *toast* won’t ever be what he was.
Demski is a good 3rd /sometimes deep threat, but again he’s never going to be healthy for a full season. It’s always going to be an ankle or something, especially with the way they beat the **** out of him with the close to LOS/RB type stuff they use him for. He just can’t be a consistent top option at this stage of his career. 

Mitchell is a big unknown but I have to imagine he’d be able to do more than Sterns in this kind of offence. Even as a field stretcher like they used Pokey Wilson last year. 

Add: Having Kody Case and Gavin Cobb as the only receivers on the PR is a catastrophic fail by the organization as a whole

Edited 13 hours ago by JohnnyAbonny

[17to85]

honestly I am finished with Collaros. He has always liked to force tight windows but he doesn't have the arm to do it anymore and he gave the stamps 14 points trying to force things. 

 

He's just old and hasn't shown the ability to change his game. He's not the future and I'm not sure he's the present outside of the occasional game like last week. All this for a high price tag. Time to cut bait on some of the old players. 2019 was a long time ago. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

6 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I agree. I think for the rest of the year Wheatfall and Clercius need to be the 1-2, Schoen I’m afraid while not *toast* won’t ever be what he was.
Demski is a good 3rd /sometimes deep threat, but again he’s never going to be healthy for a full season. It’s always going to be an ankle or something, especially with the way they beat the **** out of him with the close to LOS/RB type stuff they use him for. He just can’t be a consistent top option at this stage of his career. 

Mitchell is a big unknown but I have to imagine he’d be able to do more than Sterns in this kind of offence. Even as a field stretcher like they used Pokey Wilson last year. 

Add: Having Kody Case and Gavin Cobb as the only receivers on the PR is a catastrophic fail by the organization as a whole

Problem with Clercius is he's basically good at one thing.  When they've tried him on other routes he's struggled.  He's not quite what Wolitarsky was, but similar at Z.

Demski is kind of that release valve type guy.  He really needs to be the #4, oh D is so worried about the other 2-3 guys and forgot about him.  Let him beat guys in press in the score zone, find him on 2nd-3rd read in a route again where D loses him.  You shouldn't be running many plays for him downfield, and if it's covered you need to move off him, he's not the kind of guy who is going to win those contested plays very often.

Case is probably a more realistic version of what they want from Sterns.  Thicker, possession type guy.

[wbbfan]

22 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Pretty sure Lawler is making $100k more than Schoen this year

I’m not gonna fault Walters because of hindsight. I agreed with the decision then and I think knowing what we knew then it was the right move. Lawler chased dollars on a bad team for a second time, after royally screwing up here and not living up to expectations or pay here. 

That said, we’d be much better off having over paid Lawler and let schoen walk. Maybe schoen isn’t 100% and have all the rust off. I hope he can get back to where he was. Right now he looks like post injuries Robert Gordon. And lawler is still a top end no1 wr.  Roadhouse isn’t here right now, I hope he makes it back at some point.