Craft Beer

[Noeller]

31 minutes ago, BomberBall. said:

TCB did it last year too, so I assume they will again.  Kilter has the better beer though, for sure.

TCB is more than solid... Lamplighter is up there with the Bulldog for best Amber jn the city. Tremendous. And wonderful pizza. 

But man oh man... Summertime in the River City, give me a Juicii and a 'dog on the patio, and I am a happy camper....

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

Lamplighter is up there with the Bulldog for best Amber jn the city.

What like 15 years ago? Bulldog was a fine option when options were limited but the style has progressed since then.

[Noeller]

7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

What like 15 years ago? Bulldog was a fine option when options were limited but the style has progressed since then.

Shut your pirate hooker mouth.... The Bulldog is an INCREDIBLE beer, to this day. I'll hear no negative remarks of the OGs.

[HardCoreBlue]

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

Shut your pirate hooker mouth.... The Bulldog is an INCREDIBLE beer, to this day. I'll hear no negative remarks of the OGs.

pirate hooker mouth? gonna put that one into google and enjoy the fun.

[BomberBall.]

4 hours ago, Noeller said:

TCB is more than solid... Lamplighter is up there with the Bulldog for best Amber jn the city. Tremendous. And wonderful pizza. 

But man oh man... Summertime in the River City, give me a Juicii and a 'dog on the patio, and I am a happy camper....

Juicii is my go to…. Love that beer.

[Noeller]

2 minutes ago, BomberBall. said:

Juicii is my go to…. Love that beer.

That or the Code Name: Ghost are my two favourite beers for a hot, sunny Winnipeg patio...

[Mark H.]

1919 lads. Do not stray far from it.

[Noeller]

1 minute ago, Mark H. said:

1919 lads. Do not stray far from it.

Fabulous.... But.... There are always new, wonderful beers to try. Everything has a time and place. 

[Super Duper Negatron]

5 hours ago, Noeller said:

TCB is more than solid... Lamplighter is up there with the Bulldog for best Amber jn the city. Tremendous. And wonderful pizza. 

But man oh man... Summertime in the River City, give me a Juicii and a 'dog on the patio, and I am a happy camper....

The Master Angler Hazy IPA at TCB is great.

1 hour ago, BomberBall. said:

Juicii is my go to…. Love that beer.

The fact that it's 6.5% always sneaks up on me.

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

That or the Code Name: Ghost are my two favourite beers for a hot, sunny Winnipeg patio...

Codename Ghost lol what year is this 

 

fun fact: it’s more or less the same beer, same guy created the recipe for both, CNG is the original and Juicii is the improved version that’s been tweaked and refined

 

 

[17to85]

let's be totally honest, most of the new IPAs these days are just dump a **** ton of hops in and make it taste like juice. 

 

bring back more of the classic west coast IPAs I say. The hazy ones have their place, but too many beers these days are neglecting the malt aspect of a beer. 

[BomberBall.]

9 hours ago, Mark H. said:

1919 lads. Do not stray far from it.

Can’t do it….. Can’t drink anything Belgian.  I know it’s a popular beer, but I just can’t.

[Atomic]

No need to talk **** about Half Pints, they've been around forever. Codename Ghost and Bulldog are both still great beers.

[blue85gold]

3 minutes ago, Atomic said:

No need to talk **** about Half Pints, they've been around forever. Codename Ghost and Bulldog are both still great beers.

Pints of Bulldog at the Yellow Dog = heaven

[Noeller]

9 hours ago, 17to85 said:

let's be totally honest, most of the new IPAs these days are just dump a **** ton of hops in and make it taste like juice. 

 

bring back more of the classic west coast IPAs I say. The hazy ones have their place, but too many beers these days are neglecting the malt aspect of a beer. 

If you want to sip on the resin from a 2x4, go to Home Depot.....

[GCn20]

9 hours ago, 17to85 said:

let's be totally honest, most of the new IPAs these days are just dump a **** ton of hops in and make it taste like juice. 

 

bring back more of the classic west coast IPAs I say. The hazy ones have their place, but too many beers these days are neglecting the malt aspect of a beer. 

I am in complete agreement. The fascination with killing beer with hops these days is ruining beer. Hops should be a background flavor not smacking you in the head with every sip. A beautiful, smooth, well rounded malted barley with a hint of hops should be the goal...but it isn't. Now it's can you taste the pine and grapefruit.....well yea actually...it's all i can taste....for days afterwards. I actually had to stop drinking IPAs because of my gout. Hops are terrible for gout and nowadays the overwhelming hoppiness of the IPAs just sets it off.

Edited yesterday at 02:43 PM by GCn20

[3rdand1.5]

TCB, flying Otter, and Bomber beer

LBJ 1919 and Golden Ale

HP Bulldog

LOTW Lakeside and Forgotten Lake (my wife's #1)

Torque Whitty Belgian

DMC Starstuff

 

All the above are great, can't go wrong with any of them on a hot humid Manitoba evening....add it a secluded campsite, a Bomber game on CJOB and a bonfire and it's the ultimate MB Evening

 

 

[Noeller]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

I am in complete agreement. The fascination with killing beer with hops these days is ruining beer. Hops should be a background flavor not smacking you in the head with every sip. A beautiful, smooth, well rounded malted barley with a hint of hops should be the goal...but it isn't. Now it's can you taste the pine and grapefruit.....well yea actually...it's all i can taste....for days afterwards. I actually had to stop drinking IPAs because of my gout. Hops are terrible for gout and nowadays the overwhelming hoppiness of the IPAs just sets it off.

It depends on the beer.... Some beers are meant to be hop forward, some malt forward... Some are roasty... Some are grapefruit-y thanks to just the right amount of Citra hops. It all depends what you're looking for. I personally don't like west coast IPAs... It's like licking a 2x4.... But some do. Give me NEPA/NEIPA all day....

20 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

TCB, flying Otter, and Bomber beer

LBJ 1919 and Golden Ale

HP Bulldog

LOTW Lakeside and Forgotten Lake (my wife's #1)

Torque Whitty Belgian

DMC Starstuff

 

All the above are great, can't go wrong with any of them on a hot humid Manitoba evening....add it a secluded campsite, a Bomber game on CJOB and a bonfire and it's the ultimate MB Evening

 

 

HOOK IT TO MY VEINS!!

[voodoochylde]

17 hours ago, 17to85 said:

let's be totally honest, most of the new IPAs these days are just dump a **** ton of hops in and make it taste like juice. 

 

bring back more of the classic west coast IPAs I say. The hazy ones have their place, but too many beers these days are neglecting the malt aspect of a beer. 

This.  I'm so sick of "hazy / juicy" IPAs.

While not really pine forward, Low Life's Double Times IPA is phenomenal and surprisingly (dangerously) easy to drink at 7.8%.

[Mike]

I think the hazy IPAs that exist outside of Manitoba are far superior to anything we do inside this province and that *may* be part of the reason that Manitobans have a weird impression of them.

Even Kilter (who I love) does a bad job of them these days. Inside Canada, the true champions of hazy IPAs are in Quebec (Messorem, Le Ketch, Bad Bones, Nano Cinco, Brewskey) or Ontario (Badlands, All My Friends) and I guess Alberta has a few top guns as well (Irrational, Polyrhythm, Establishment) but I would say overall, only Messorem/Ketch/Bad Bones can hang with the folks down south

 

brb gonna go pour myself a beer

[Noeller]

I'd like to know what you're basing your opinion of Good and Bad on.... Is it personal preference, or did you go through the Cicerone process and have a full understanding flavour profiles and such? 

[Mike]

5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'd like to know what you're basing your opinion of Good and Bad on.... Is it personal preference, or did you go through the Cicerone process and have a full understanding flavour profiles and such? 

I don’t need to go through the cicerone process to have a full understanding of flavour profiles. I also don’t need to have a full understanding of flavour profiles to know what is “good” and what is not “good”

Winnipeg’s biggest problem in the brewing process is its water. It’s too hard and nobody invests the time, effort or capital into a solution, because that takes away from a brewery’s primary function - profit. The second problem is that because of our market, every brewery’s favourite adjunct into a beer is “local” - we are roughly 3-5 years behind the rest of the country in terms of process and technique. We have exactly one brewery (Kilter) with an established barrel program, we have almost zero clout outside of our own provincial border other than just networking collaborations (although this is going to be changing soon) and the breweries typically rely on “local” style branding to mask major flaws in their beers or overall lack of effort in the brewing process.

There’s a reason TCB has to pay vendors for front row shelf space, there’s a reason Stone Angel shut down, there’s a reason Half Pints (gonna miss them, sad they went downhill) is up for sale. These places haven’t changed, never adapted and got lazy. I don’t need to be a cicerone to see that. Sookrams, Kilter and (sometimes) LBJ are the big three in Manitoba and it’s going to stay that way for a long time with reason. Nobody else wants to put the effort in, why bother when you can coast off local collaborations with charities, awareness causes and vendors because that’s all our market tends to care about because that’s all they’ve been taught to care about. 
 

We’re gonna see some evolution this summer / fall and I know you’re not going to believe me, but I’ll say it anyways - I’ve got quite a bit to do with it. Hopefully the change results in some positive progression moving forward, our market will be better for it. It’s going to be nice to see some Manitoba branding on beers brewed outside of this province. 

 

[Noeller]

You could have saved a lot of typing and just said Personal Preference..it's totally fine. You and Dave come from the exact same spot and that's fine.

[Mike]

4 minutes ago, Noeller said:

You could have saved a lot of typing and just said Personal Preference..it's totally fine. You and Dave come from the exact same spot and that's fine.

You could’ve saved a bit of typing and just said “I don’t wanna learn”

[GCn20]

8 hours ago, Mike said:

I don’t need to go through the cicerone process to have a full understanding of flavour profiles. I also don’t need to have a full understanding of flavour profiles to know what is “good” and what is not “good”

Winnipeg’s biggest problem in the brewing process is its water. It’s too hard and nobody invests the time, effort or capital into a solution, because that takes away from a brewery’s primary function - profit. The second problem is that because of our market, every brewery’s favourite adjunct into a beer is “local” - we are roughly 3-5 years behind the rest of the country in terms of process and technique. We have exactly one brewery (Kilter) with an established barrel program, we have almost zero clout outside of our own provincial border other than just networking collaborations (although this is going to be changing soon) and the breweries typically rely on “local” style branding to mask major flaws in their beers or overall lack of effort in the brewing process.

There’s a reason TCB has to pay vendors for front row shelf space, there’s a reason Stone Angel shut down, there’s a reason Half Pints (gonna miss them, sad they went downhill) is up for sale. These places haven’t changed, never adapted and got lazy. I don’t need to be a cicerone to see that. Sookrams, Kilter and (sometimes) LBJ are the big three in Manitoba and it’s going to stay that way for a long time with reason. Nobody else wants to put the effort in, why bother when you can coast off local collaborations with charities, awareness causes and vendors because that’s all our market tends to care about because that’s all they’ve been taught to care about. 
 

We’re gonna see some evolution this summer / fall and I know you’re not going to believe me, but I’ll say it anyways - I’ve got quite a bit to do with it. Hopefully the change results in some positive progression moving forward, our market will be better for it. It’s going to be nice to see some Manitoba branding on beers brewed outside of this province. 

 

I was pretty involved in the domestic beer marketing for a number of years and no indie brewery has the clout to match dollars with Inbev or Molson/Coors and if an indie gets popular enough they get bought by them.

Manitoba has a market in which craft and indie brewers struggle for in house space and don't have the resources to get people tasting their product. Farmery has probably had the most success doing so and their market share is negligible. 

I don't disagree that our IPAs are awful here, but so are many other provinces. Our hops are kind of ****.

Part of Manitobas problem was even getting a brewery going and listed by MLCC. Until 10 years ago it was extremely difficult for our breweries to even get into their stores. That has changed but our breweries are way behind.

Edited 10 hours ago by GCn20