45 stars and hh bc sucks

[Rod Black]

10 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

It sure seems odd that the second td is more than likely to be called back. People enter a contest believing everything is on the up & up. Safeway & now Save On Foods have insurance on that money if it ever has to be paid out. What would be the premium if it ever had to be paid out? 

Im guessing that’s called re-insurance. And I been told I don’t know JACK SQUAT about that. 
 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Rod Black

[Booch]

Thing is tho..it's 50k paid out per yr...till a million...and if u bite the biscuit before it's all paid out...that's it...estate or family doesn't continue getting it

[SpeedFlex27]

31 minutes ago, Booch said:

Thing is tho..it's 50k paid out per yr...till a million...and if u bite the biscuit before it's all paid out...that's it...estate or family doesn't continue getting it

So, it's really not a million dollars. Only if it's all paid off. 

[TrueBlue4ever]

14 minutes ago, Rod Black said:

You know there has been plenty of tampering with sponsorships. It has happened. Even McDonalds admitted to having promotions rigged. 

Ok, let’s go down this rabbit hole for just a second. McDonald’s (or Tim’s, or Safeway, etc.) runs a contest to help boost their product sales (Monopoly, Roll Up the Rim), and they falsely promise prizes that they would be on the hook for. They can do it because they control all the aspects of the contest. What products they want to sell that they attach the contest to, the odds of winning, which product holds the winning “ticket”. They control it all, so they are the only ones who can game the system. No issue that this could be manipulated and has been in the past. 

Now compare that to the situation you are proposing. The company puts up the contest in exchange for advertising time on a major TV network. They are on the hook for the prize money. But they have no actual control over when or even if the prize is given out. They are waiting on an external event (2 KO returns in the same game) that is beyond their control. All they can determine is the statistical odds of it paying out, and if the insurance they pay to cover the prize money is worth the increase in revenue the advertising boost gives them. So for them to have the ability to cheat the system, they would need an outside partner (in this case, the CFL) to rig the system independently to ensure the payout never happens. And even then, there is no guarantee that the phantom flag could be thrown without some 100% certainty that a marginal block happens on every return (like the “known fact” that holding happens on the o-line on every year snap even if not flagged) to allow for the opportunity for a flag to be thrown without it being totally obvious that it was WWE-style fakery. And then the professional league would have to agree to go along with it. That this one sponsor is so valuable that they are willing to risk the entire integrity and livelihood of the sport for the revenue they get from that sponsor in return. Oh, and let’s also remember that the newest (and apparently most profitable) league sponsor is a gaming site that gives each team $2.5 million in extra revenue a year. Just how would they feel knowing that a rival sponsor is forcing the league to fraudulently fix the outcome of games and putting the credibility of their gaming site into question? And that the CFL is totally on board with doing this, screwing them and every fan of the league over and illegally match-fixing for the sake of that other sponsor, all because they don’t want their sponsor to pay what is likely at most a $10,000 insurance premium for a company owned by a guy worth $10 billion dollars?

THAT’S the scenario you think is possible?  Just take a moment to really think about how implausible this kind of 3rd party tampering is, and how little it would be worth to actually go through with it for the dollars involved. 

[Rod Black]

9 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Ok, let’s go down this rabbit hole for just a second. McDonald’s (or Tim’s, or Safeway, etc.) runs a contest to help boost their product sales (Monopoly, Roll Up the Rim), and they falsely promise prizes that they would be on the hook for. They can do it because they control all the aspects of the contest. What products they want to sell that they attach the contest to, the odds of winning, which product holds the winning “ticket”. They control it all, so they are the only ones who can game the system. No issue that this could be manipulated and has been in the past. 

Now compare that to the situation you are proposing. The company puts up the contest in exchange for advertising time on a major TV network. They are on the hook for the prize money. But they have no actual control over when or even if the prize is given out. They are waiting on an external event (2 KO returns in the same game) that is beyond their control. All they can determine is the statistical odds of it paying out, and if the insurance they pay to cover the prize money is worth the increase in revenue the advertising boost gives them. So for them to have the ability to cheat the system, they would need an outside partner (in this case, the CFL) to rig the system independently to ensure the payout never happens. And even then, there is no guarantee that the phantom flag could be thrown without some 100% certainty that a marginal block happens on every return (like the “known fact” that holding happens on the o-line on every year snap even if not flagged) to allow for the opportunity for a flag to be thrown without it being totally obvious that it was WWE-style fakery. And then the professional league would have to agree to go along with it. That this one sponsor is so valuable that they are willing to risk the entire integrity and livelihood of the sport for the revenue they get from that sponsor in return. Oh, and let’s also remember that the newest (and apparently most profitable) league sponsor is a gaming site that gives each team $2.5 million in extra revenue a year. Just how would they feel knowing that a rival sponsor is forcing the league to fraudulently fix the outcome of games and putting the credibility of their gaming site into question? And that the CFL is totally on board with doing this, screwing them and every fan of the league over and illegally match-fixing for the sake of that other sponsor, all because they don’t want their sponsor to pay what is likely at most a $10,000 insurance premium for a company owned by a guy worth $10 billion dollars?

THAT’S the scenario you think is possible?  Just take a moment to really think about how implausible this kind of 3rd party tampering is, and how little it would be worth to actually go through with it for the dollars involved. 

Let’s not. Don’t think for a second white collar crime doesn’t exist. Prisons have their fair share of accountants as residents. 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Rod Black

[Booch]

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

So, it's really not a million dollars. Only if it's all paid off. 

Nope..only if all 20 yrs worth of 50k payments are dished out

Edited July 11, 2022 by Booch

[WinnipegGordo]

6 hours ago, Rod Black said:

You aren’t the only one that believes that. I heard it last night during the game. It IS possible I suppose. 

You know there has been plenty of tampering with sponsorships. It has happened. Even McDonalds admitted to having promotions rigged.  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/07/how-mcmillions-scam-rigged-the-mcdonalds-monopoly-game.html

There was a pretty good documentary on HBO covering the McDonald's scam.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 minute ago, WinnipegGordo said:

There was a pretty good documentary on HBO covering the McDonald's scam.

Also, wasn't it the same with Tim Horton's Roll Up The Rim To Win contest a few years ago when it was discovered only a very few people actually won?

[WinnipegGordo]

41 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Also, wasn't it the same with Tim Horton's Roll Up The Rim To Win contest a few years ago when it was discovered only a very few people actually won?

It was probably just a case a of people bitching due to not winning but nothing was proved to be nefarious (at least I didn't find any articles).

Here's an interesting article on some of the Tim Hortons controversies. Nothing mentioned was as organized and wide-spread as the McMillions scam.

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/history-tim-hortons-roll-rim-related-controversy-181515945.html

 

[Mark F]

3 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said:

There was a pretty good documentary on HBO covering the McDonald's scam.

thanks for article. had not heard of this.

McDonald's didnt run the scam, It was a victim of it.

 

Tims... reason not to get coffee there .... coffee no better than mcdonalds, no senior deal, no tenth free. no dollar any size covfefe. 

not , my roll up rim winless streak, which rivals bomber cup drought, from bad old days.

 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Mark F

[Rod Black]

33 minutes ago, Mark F said:

thanks for article. had not heard of this.

McDonald's didnt run the scam, It was a victim of it.

 

Tims... reason not to get coffee there .... coffee no better than mcdonalds, no senior deal, no tenth free. no dollar any size covfefe. 

not , my roll up rim winless streak, which rivals bomber cup drought, from bad old days.

 

 

 

That is true. As were the over 3 billion served expecting an opportunity to win. 

[Booch]

you can go as far as scratch off tickets...if the big 50k prize...or 10k prize, whatever they are have been claimed...there should be a disclaimer at place of purchase.....people buy buy buy not knowing if the big winners are even still available

[Rod Black]

7 minutes ago, Booch said:

you can go as far as scratch off tickets...if the big 50k prize...or 10k prize, whatever they are have been claimed...there should be a disclaimer at place of purchase.....people buy buy buy not knowing if the big winners are even still available

We’ll yeah, I guess. Does that reduced odds-rewards scenario apply to cards or gambling in general? Speaking of gambling, is this the first year the CFL has a gambling site Fanduel as a sponsor? 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Rod Black

[bearpants]

14 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The officials know about the contest. They know 2 KO TD's is worth a million bucks to someone. So then, why would an official throw a flag just as a player is running in for that second TD??? Can't tell me the CFL doesn't have standing orders from the CFL HO &/or BOG's for the officials to not let them score. 

this is a joke... right?

[johnzo]

I missed this throw during the game but to get back on the topic of Collaros' passing skills...this one was, according to reddit, a dart and a completion.

[johnzo]

ah, twitter has the hookup. 

big attaboys for Schoen on the scramble drill there, he fakes taking off deep like the short receiver is supposed to do and then he curls back to the stick. Ties Sayles in knots and is wide open for the sideways desperation throw.  We got a first down because our QB has beast level body control and our WR has great situational awareness.  you love to see it.

 

Edited July 11, 2022 by johnzo