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Edited October 6, 20187 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

@FrostyWinnipeg Kylo Ren = Ben Solo.  That's why people keep saying Ben.  

3 hours ago, Atomic said:

@FrostyWinnipeg Kylo Ren = Ben Solo.  That's why people keep saying Ben.  

Not sure if i FrostyWinnipeg or iHeart. I blame the writers. Can't have 2 Ben's!

Edited March 11, 20187 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

Saw it a second time... liked it a lot more- its actually quite a good movie if you take your nostalgia goggles off. 

yeah, re-watched it last night. still think it's a mixed bag with some great stuff  and some pacing problems, I was leaning on the fast-forward during the casino bits (tho I did pause to take a look at some of the costumes, which were bananas)

Still the #4 Star Wars film for me and I think that ep. IX is set up pretty nicely at the end, which is what a middle chapter really needs to do.  Bring on the next one.

 

Edited March 11, 20187 yr by johnzo

39 minutes ago, johnzo said:

Still the #4 Star Wars film for me and I think that ep. IX is set up pretty nicely at the end

Is it?  I don't really know what's coming at all.

I don't really know either exactly where it's going, but the table is set -- Kylo Ren owns all the core worlds, Skywalker is dead and Rey is his heir. The entire resistance now fits in the Falcon and they're running for the sanctuary in the boondocks, and the porgs are going to be the cane toads of the Outer Rim.

It's more clear than things were at the end of TFA, when we're not really sure if the New Republic is finished off by the Starkiller attack, or if it's more of a Pearl Harbor type situation that they can come back from.

Another thing that comes through on the rewatch is that for all Leia and Holdo grind his gears, Poe was right to attack the dreadnought -- presumably its big cannons would have made short work of the escaping fleet after the first hyperspace jump.

14 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Saw it a second time... liked it a lot more- its actually quite a good movie if you take your nostalgia goggles off. 

It has nothing to do with nostalgia.  It's just a poorly written and directed movie.  Cinematography is fantastic and the acting is good.  That's where it ends.

Its a better movie after you've seen it once because your expectations are zero and you've seen all their terrible creative decisions.   I actually liked it even less the second time because I saw more things that aggravated me.

Its interesting that even people attached to the franchise speculate about thing like Luke's fate, Rey's parents, Snoke...in a way where they think what we got in TLJ wont hold up in the third.  That tells you even people there think it sucked.

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3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

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There are a lot of things wrong with that. 

Just one... C-3PO was not "invented" by a slave boy. He was built, using spare parts from other protocol droids. 

Leia says she had a vague memory of her mother.  We assume she was referring to her birth mother because she'd likely have more than a vague memory of her adoptive mother.  An easy explanation is simply she retained that vague memory from her birth as a result of the extremely strong Force power she had (If I recall correctly, she touches Luke when he is born but I always thought it would make sense if she had touched Leia and was the cause of this "memory").

As Jcon said, C3PO was created from other protocol droids.  im sure Anakin would have preferred a maid droid or butler droid but as a slave, he was limited by what he had access to.

About the Force, Yoda was being spiritual.  Qui-Gon was being literal.

Was Yoda surprised Anakin was Vader?  I thought he admitted lying to Luke (the real reason was because when A New Hope came out, Lucas had not decided on the "Father" twist).

Meh, Vader was a Sith and used the "Jedi" weapon too.  I suppose it would have been more special if only Jedi (and fallen Jedi) used the light saber but then you wouldnt get the cool sword fights in the Prequels.

Ben referring to Yoda as his mentor makes sense.  He was a padawan when Qui-Gon died.  While he was advanced to Jedi Knight as a result of his death, he clearly looked at Yoda as a mentor (going to him for advice).  And it was Yoda who assigned him training at the end of Sith (to learn how to return as a Ghost).

The Prequels sucked but those complaints are nitpicks.

 

From Latino Review:

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With the home video release of Star Wars: The Last Jedi comes bonus features and deleted scenes. One scene in particular that was cut from the film, a scene where Luke Skywalker takes a minute to process the fate of Han Solo, has led Mark Hamill to again express his displeasure with how his beloved character was treated during the film. Hamill recently spoke with IGN about his feelings on the deleted scene.

“Yes, of course because it shows Luke was putting on a facade in front of Rey and even Chewie, that he was embittered and sort of a broken man. And I think the fact that he could let his emotions out when he was by himself would have made an impact on the audience because it allowed them to grieve the loss of Han Solo just the way Luke felt it. But that always happens in films. You say, ‘Oh, what about this scene where this happens or that happens?” because you want to give the fullest experience that you can. And like you say, it was brief enough that I was — [chuckles] They had time for me to milk that big alien but to show any human emotion? Nah, we don’t have time for that. But again it’s not my call.”

Of course, Mark Hamill is correct.  And it makes me "grieve" how poorly Luke Skywalker was treated in this film.  In TFA, the idea of Luke missing and in hiding was so damned intriguing.   TLJ was such a let down showing us this bitter, faithless Luke who ran from the fight and abandoned his friends and family to evil.  It made his whole arc in the original trilogy mean so little because it just didnt make sense.

Im fine with Luke in hiding.  But they needed a better reason.  Return of the Jedi (or is it Empire) gives us the reason.  Luke feels Vader sensing him and says "I shouldn't have come, Im jeopardizing the mission".  If Luke felt he was a danger to his friends, family and the universe, that's a good reason to go into hiding (and give him something to do while he's there so its not wasted time...some sort of task or study that is critical to success so it shows Luke's time not only helped but was needed by whatever knowledge he gains).

Anyway...broken record.  Film sucked.

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Im fine with Luke in hiding.  But they needed a better reason.  Return of the Jedi (or is it Empire) gives us the reason.  Luke feels Vader sensing him and says "I shouldn't have come, Im jeopardizing the mission".  If Luke felt he was a danger to his friends, family and the universe, that's a good reason to go into hiding (and give him something to do while he's there so its not wasted time...some sort of task or study that is critical to success so it shows Luke's time not only helped but was needed by whatever knowledge he gains).

I accept the idea that Luke felt out of control and went into self-imposed exile. I like your rationale much more but didn't feel too bad about Luke in hiding. 

2 minutes ago, JCon said:

I accept the idea that Luke felt out of control and went into self-imposed exile. I like your rationale much more but didn't feel too bad about Luke in hiding. 

My biggest issue with it is that he felt the power and dark side in Ben, was attacked and left.  So he knew Snoke had turned Ben and knew how powerful they were.  And he left.  The same character that was willing to fight Vader in Empire by himself and face Palps in Jedi.  If Luke Skywalker was so broken he didnt care who lived and died, fine, but they didnt give us a good enough reason in my opinion.

Hamill was so good, that alone should have made them keep him alive.  When Fisher died, it was a no-brainer.  Im sure he'll be in the next one but its not the same.  It seems like a lame reason, them wanting to focus on the new heroes.  Meanwhile Disney makes a marvel film with 59 heroes in it.  Rian Johnson sucked.

 

Rian Johnson:

“There were death threats. It’s balanced by a few things — 90 percent of the stuff I got online was not only lovely and encouraging but phenomenally thoughtful. Fans would send me essays on the movie. The other 10 percent is just loud and gets amplified. At first I was freaked out but then I realized the things people were angry about are the things I’m most proud about.”

 

now or I don’t condone death threats but If he really takes pride in the things people were most upset with it only reiterated that he was all wrong for the gig. 

That fake trailer is freaking great. 

"Give me the karking keys, you karking nerf herder."  <-- always great to hear callbacks to Benicio del Toro's greatest role.

Edited April 3, 20187 yr by johnzo

2 hours ago, johnzo said:

That fake trailer is freaking great. 

"Give me the karking keys, you karking nerf herder."  <-- always great to hear callbacks to Benicio del Toro's greatest role.

yeah the honest trailers are usually pretty solid, some of them are just perfect. 

I'm not sure if this was posted elsewhere but dear lord look at what Lucas had originally wanted to do with his vision for Episode 7 - 9.

 

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/06/george-lucas-reveals-his-plan-for-star-wars-7-through-9-and-it-was-awful/

 

A small but must read! 

Does anyone think the negative reaction to Solo was because Luke was killed off in the Last Jedi? I know I wasn't happy about it with Solo & Carrie Fisher (Leia) now dead. 

I think it's burn out from to much Star Wars

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I think it's burn out from to much Star Wars

I don't know about that... for me personally, my biggest issue with making this movie is that it didn't really add a whole lot.  

We already essentially knew how it would play out so other than the novelty of seeing a shiny new Falcon and showing how Han and Chewy meet, what else was there?

9 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I think it's burn out from to much Star Wars

That I agree. But killing off Luke didn't make me want to see another SW movie. 

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Does anyone think the negative reaction to Solo was because Luke was killed off in the Last Jedi? I know I wasn't happy about it with Solo & Carrie Fisher (Leia) now dead. 

Killing off Luke was not the worst part of TLJ. Don't think it even counts as bad.

Dunno what happened to Solo. Burn out maybe. Production problems maybe. Last Jedi complaints maybe. Pumping out movies has not hurt Marvel/Disney.

The reviews were okay. It's a Star Wars movie, you'd think 1b no prob. Puts a hold on Boba Fett or Obi-Wan movies until results of SW9.

Then there is RJ's new trilogy which is still in the works?!?