I am sure the biggest concern is not whether he can get into football shape by June

My biggest personal concern is how much of his compensation is off book - - being paid by some sask' business as a "marketing consultant" .... disrespecting the cap can only be bad for the league.

My greatest hope is he is western all star in 2017 ... it will bring more NFL pllayers up here

So is Chris Jones an incredible mad professor or delusionally brilliant?

7 hours ago, bearpants said:

LMNOP???  

 

Because he has all the other letters a person can have with a football team, I gave him more.

...as long as he doesn't start slobbering up Green stuff....

Is this 12 signed QB's?

" Riders - Quarterbacks...
Recruits - Jacob Huesman, BJ Coleman, Vad Lee, and Phillip Sims,
QBs that came from other teams -
Bryant Moniz and GJ Kinne. Mitch Gale came from a trade with Toronto. 
Brandon Bridge, salvaged after Montreal cut him 
Waters came in a trade from Hamilton.
former Bomber QB Bryan Bennett. 
Kevin Glenn Free Agent 
Vince Young, very Free Agent - the Rider Prophet "

how do you run a camp like that?

 

17 minutes ago, BigBlue said:

Is this 12 signed QB's?

" Riders - Quarterbacks...
Recruits - Jacob Huesman, BJ Coleman, Vad Lee, and Phillip Sims,
QBs that came from other teams -
Bryant Moniz and GJ Kinne. Mitch Gale came from a trade with Toronto. 
Brandon Bridge, salvaged after Montreal cut him 
Waters came in a trade from Hamilton.
former Bomber QB Bryan Bennett. 
Kevin Glenn Free Agent 
Vince Young, very Free Agent - the Rider Prophet "

how do you run a camp like that?

 

You call in Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Bailey.

Both!

Brilliant on the part of Young,

Desperate on the part of Jones.  

1 hour ago, BigBlue said:

Is this 12 signed QB's?

" Riders - Quarterbacks...
Recruits - Jacob Huesman, BJ Coleman, Vad Lee, and Phillip Sims,
QBs that came from other teams -
Bryant Moniz and GJ Kinne. Mitch Gale came from a trade with Toronto. 
Brandon Bridge, salvaged after Montreal cut him 
Waters came in a trade from Hamilton.
former Bomber QB Bryan Bennett. 
Kevin Glenn Free Agent 
Vince Young, very Free Agent - the Rider Prophet "

how do you run a camp like that?

 

I think these are just all the QBs since Jones arrived.  The only ones under contract are Glenn, Young, Bridge, Kinne, and Bennett.  I know Gale, Moniz and Waters are no longer with the Riders.  I don't recognize a few of the names, maybe they are just mini-camp arms with a chance to get signed.

48 minutes ago, Atomic said:

I think these are just all the QBs since Jones arrived.  The only ones under contract are Glenn, Young, Bridge, Kinne, and Bennett.  I know Gale, Moniz and Waters are no longer with the Riders.  I don't recognize a few of the names, maybe they are just mini-camp arms with a chance to get signed.

really ... something sane?

 

4 hours ago, BigBlue said:

really ... something sane?

 

I don't know if it is sane to go through QBs faster than Mike Kelly

14 hours ago, Atomic said:

I don't know if it is sane to go through QBs faster than Mike Kelly

2017 & Vince Young.  If any part of your QB plan includes that, sane is not the go-to word.

Other than past performance, his age, time away from the game, and off field judgement.......plenty of upside here

1 hour ago, do or die said:

Other than past performance, his age, time away from the game, and off field judgement.......plenty of upside here

Let's just assume for a moment that VY was put in stasis for the last 5 years, so he didn't age and didn't get into trouble. Standing only on his past performance is still questionable. He was given every opportunity to make it work in the NFL and failed. Why would it be different in the CFL? His arm going to get better? His decision making going to get better?

I can't believe I'm still talking about this non-factor.

Riders fans have 220 page thread on Young, and a 140 pager on Franklin.    The wishful thinking is strong.

9 minutes ago, do or die said:

Riders fans have 220 page thread on Young, and a 140 pager on Franklin.    The wishful thinking is strong.

That's what Rider fans do ...

On 3/15/2017 at 1:14 PM, Atomic said:

I think these are just all the QBs since Jones arrived.  The only ones under contract are Glenn, Young, Bridge, Kinne, and Bennett.  I know Gale, Moniz and Waters are no longer with the Riders.  I don't recognize a few of the names, maybe they are just mini-camp arms with a chance to get signed.

Yeah dont think they are bringing 12 into camp like the als. Running 5 with one guy only getting coffee is tough. More then 5 is nuts. Just not enough reps to evaluate, get people in the groove etc.  An extra guy just to throw passes in mini camp doesnt hurt, though thats done semi regularly by coaches, visiting coaches, etc 

1 hour ago, do or die said:

Riders fans have 220 page thread on Young, and a 140 pager on Franklin.    The wishful thinking is strong.

2 kinds of football teams. Ones that are comfortable with their qb situation, and teams frantically trying to get a comfortable set up. Didnt we have one like that last year with people raging that we didnt get harris/collaros, etc?

2 hours ago, JCon said:

Let's just assume for a moment that VY was put in stasis for the last 5 years, so he didn't age and didn't get into trouble. Standing only on his past performance is still questionable. He was given every opportunity to make it work in the NFL and failed. Why would it be different in the CFL? His arm going to get better? His decision making going to get better?

I can't believe I'm still talking about this non-factor.

Qbs are not very interchangeable cfl - nfl and back. Ricky ray couldnt cut it down south. danny mac, hank etc etc. And the offensive style gap only widens. Older qbs with experience do seem to improve decision making and throw selection. Damon allen, and AC come quickly to mind. Time off / out of position can help as well as in kerry joseph.

That said his deficiencies arent likely to have improved, and his passing skill set doesnt project favorably. Is he a worth while sign? sure. worth a lot of money? no. High risk pick up, not sure if hes still high reward or not. He could be low risk high reward if used sparingly in a wild cat esq package + goal line formation but i dont see that happening. 

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Is he a worth while sign? sure.

No.  In 2017 he is as worthwhile a signing as Casey Printers would be.  That's another guy who was the bees knees a decade ago.

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

High risk pick up, not sure if hes still high reward or not. He could be low risk high reward if used sparingly in a wild cat esq package + goal line formation but i dont see that happening. 

It's a no risk pickup because the only tangible cost to them is a roster spot.  If you believe the part about no signing bonus, which is tough.

On the intangible side, the Young signing is high embarrassment/low dignity.

Imagine if it actually works and the Riders are good this year with Young as their QB.  I don't think I could take it.

2 hours ago, Atomic said:

Imagine if it actually works and the Riders are good this year with Young as their QB.  I don't think I could take it.

Imagine if Nichols goes down due to injury and the Bombers suck again. Anything can happen. I don't understand why yall think your QB situation is miles ahead of the Riders. 

Just now, Kluchk said:

Imagine if Nichols goes down due to injury and the Bombers suck again. Anything can happen. I don't understand why yall think your QB situation is miles ahead of the Riders. 

Because we actually have a CFL quarterback who won games last year?

32 minutes ago, Kluchk said:

Imagine if Nichols goes down due to injury and the Bombers suck again. Anything can happen. I don't understand why yall think your QB situation is miles ahead of the Riders. 

If you head into the 2017 season with Young/Glenn/Bridge as your QB stable,  it's not just the bombers miles ahead of you,  the entire league will be too

35 minutes ago, Kluchk said:

Imagine if Nichols goes down due to injury and the Bombers suck again. Anything can happen. I don't understand why yall think your QB situation is miles ahead of the Riders. 

This is why first cousins should not marry.

10 hours ago, Kluchk said:

Imagine if Nichols goes down due to injury and the Bombers suck again. Anything can happen. I don't understand why yall think your QB situation is miles ahead of the Riders. 

who's your qb for the foreseeable future?.......that's why. You have on vet who you've signed for the 3rd time now. And a bunch of question marks behind him. Nichols might not be a world beater, but he's brought stability to the position. Davis and Lefevour have both been in the league for a while now and Lefevour has proven he can get it done when the circumstances are right. Davis has the up side of being in the same system.

The Riders don't have any of that. Just Kevin Glenn. Who like I said is making his 3rd appearance as a Rider (recycle, reduce, reuse), say what you want about our situation. But you're legit insane if you think the bombers & riders are close in the qb department - as it stands right now.

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

who's your qb for the foreseeable future?.......that's why. You have on vet who you've signed for the 3rd time now. And a bunch of question marks behind him. Nichols might not be a world beater, but he's brought stability to the position. Davis and Lefevour have both been in the league for a while now and Lefevour has proven he can get it done when the circumstances are right. Davis has the up side of being in the same system.

The Riders don't have any of that. Just Kevin Glenn. Who like I said is making his 3rd appearance as a Rider (recycle, reduce, reuse), say what you want about our situation. But you're legit insane if you think the bombers & riders are close in the qb department - as it stands right now.

Exactly.

No continuity in Regina. So, the Bombers are miles ahead. Even the Argos are ahead.

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

who's your qb for the foreseeable future?.......that's why. You have on vet who you've signed for the 3rd time now. And a bunch of question marks behind him. Nichols might not be a world beater, but he's brought stability to the position. Davis and Lefevour have both been in the league for a while now and Lefevour has proven he can get it done when the circumstances are right. Davis has the up side of being in the same system.

The Riders don't have any of that. Just Kevin Glenn. Who like I said is making his 3rd appearance as a Rider (recycle, reduce, reuse), say what you want about our situation. But you're legit insane if you think the bombers & riders are close in the qb department - as it stands right now.

You think LeFevour is a better backup than Bridge? Not a chance, there is a reason why he cannot stay on a team. No one wants him as a designated backup. And Davis is nothing to look at. Atleast I know our QB situation is terrible, you guys need to accept that your QB situation is one hit away from being just as bad as the Riders.